New Radios being used by NYPD

[emcomm]

It's actually an ingenious plan, so they don't have the replace the entire radio infrastructure, yet can migrate to encryption. To hell with the FCC and it's narrowing......

 

[Archie]

Stamford and Greenwich CT went encrypted not so long ago and Yonkers just did so in mid October at a contract price of $315K which included the NY State discount. Not sure if New Rochelle is going encrypted with their coming new digital system.

 

[GTR8000]

And here is the literal writing from the UF-49. Signed, sealed, delivered.

 

[gatekeep]

I'm not one to typically get involved in these sorts of back and forth discussions, but per the UF-49 excerpt attached by GTR8000, when quickly reading it, simply based on the wording of the excerpt, you get the impression they will encrypt everything.

However, the exact wording does not say that everything will be encrypted (although, full encryption of NYPD channels is likely the case, given the overall direction of public safety, LEO specifically, in this day and age), just that the radios contain encrypted channels. It also says that the encryption rollout will take "several years". So I would wager, as people have mentioned before that we have sometime to listen, but those days are very likely numbered.

 

[Hans13]

When our Department radio network eventually becomes encrypted over the next several years, all current programmed radios will be obsolete.

Yeah, that strongly indicates to me that much encryption is coming down the pike; perhaps all.

 

[Danny37]

They still have coverage problems with their analog systems in Staten Island and Queens. with P25, it'll only be worse.

 

[Archie]

Danny37
They also had coverage in Yonkers for many years due to it's hilly topography but they were able to finally overcome it years ago. Seems like every major PD that upgrades is going encrypted.
They should do a scanner buy back program with the guns!! LOL

 

[Danny37]

Danny37
They also had coverage in Yonkers for many years due to it's hilly topography but they were able to finally overcome it years ago. Seems like every major PD that upgrades is going encrypted.
They should do a scanner buy back program with the guns!! LOL

It took them 5 years to migrate transit from VHF to UHF for semi-decent coverage. Now P25 in transit especially in the underground stations sounds extremely dangerous.

I think our days are numbered for sure but we have a decent amount of time to monitor. Also I wonder how the mutual aide agencies and media feels about this. NYC media relies heavily on scanners and breaking news freelancers both of which will be obsolete.

 

[Danny37]

Danny37
They also had coverage in Yonkers for many years due to it's hilly topography but they were able to finally overcome it years ago. Seems like every major PD that upgrades is going encrypted.
They should do a scanner buy back program with the guns!! LOL

Hilly terrain is majority of Staten Island and half of Queens. The commands in theses area already have problems on the analog systems in these areas.

 

[nyscan]

And here is the literal writing from the UF-49. Signed, sealed, delivered.

View attachment 67357

Says "The smaller VX-824 will no longer be distributed to precinct personnel." I wonder if the 824 will remain along with the 949 in the same way the VX-800 was used along with the VX-537, ie. distributed to bosses and specialized units.

 

[Danny37]

Says "The smaller VX-824 will no longer be distributed to precinct personnel." I wonder if the 824 will remain along with the 949 in the same way the VX-800 was used along with the VX-537, ie. distributed to bosses and specialized units.

I doubt it if they're going encrypted, even though the P824 radio is encryption capable. It looks like all UMOS despite rank or squad will be issued the 949 radio. Also no pool radios, so bye bye EMS, DHS and any other agency on the system .

 

[62Truck]

I doubt it if they're going encrypted, even though the P824 radio is encryption capable. It looks like all UMOS despite rank or squad will be issued the 949 radio. Also no pool radios, so bye bye EMS, DHS and any other agency on the system .

Pretty sure any agency that needs to have communication with NYPD will probably have the equipment to do so.

 

[IAmSixNine]

GRV 8000 Comparator

Best in Class Project 25 (P25) Audio

HA HA.. best in class. Think they hired a car marketing firm for that one.
APX8000 has the longest in class antenna.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

One piece of important info that most of you will not be aware of is that not too long ago, the NYPD had Motorola design a new comparator (voter) specifically for them. It is the GRV 8000, and is capable of voting both analog and P25 conventional within the same piece of hardware. Its purpose is to not only support a mixed-mode channel with the top of the line G Series equipment, but to also make the transition from analog to digital seamless.

GRV 8000 Comparator - Motorola Solutions

The writing is on the wall, fellas.

Interesting. But NYC will probably tippy toe into that water. They have a lot of challenges the main one being communicating in the subway and other structures. Wherever they now have a BDA system now, like subway tunnels they will have a problem of simulcast delay at the tunnel stairwells and the grill vents. Whatever sounds crappy in analog will stop working with P25. Somehow they "will get right by the 21st century" but I think they have been burned enough times that extensive testing will be required. They need a DMR multisite solution!

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

GRV 8000 Comparator

Best in Class Project 25 (P25) Audio

HA HA.. best in class. Think they hired a car marketing firm for that one.
APX8000 has the longest in class antenna.

"World Class", Six Sigma and "800 MHz its clear up here" are worn out.

 

[gatekeep]

They need a DMR multisite solution!

Quite honestly; if they are going to have problems with a P25 signal being very badly faded in the tunnel with multi-path issues causing decode problems (as evidenced by the really bad crappy analog audio), DMR will fair no better. Both P25 and DMR would have the same cliff issue when the signal becomes too degraded to properly recover.

Unless you mean by multi-site they should do away with the BDAs and install equipment directly in the tunnels.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Quite honestly; if they are going to have problems with a P25 signal being very badly faded in the tunnel with multi-path issues causing decode problems (as evidenced by the really bad crappy analog audio), DMR will fair no better. Both P25 and DMR would have the same cliff issue when the signal becomes too degraded to properly recover.

Unless you mean by multi-site they should do away with the BDAs and install equipment directly in the tunnels.

Yes multisite instead of BDA's.

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[Danny37]

I talked to a friend who's a supervisor communications tech in the NYPD, dispatchers and supervisors there haven't been alerted about the change yet. He's actually disappointed himself since he's been a scanner listener his whole life.

 

[memtech3]

NYPD Should build a megapolis trunking system like TXWARN. It would benefit everyone.

 

[memtech3]

The TXWarn Network PROBABLY serves just as many people as there are in new york due to it being used alot outside of Harris County