New Radios being used by NYPD

[Danny37]

Harassment by groups like this in NYC would only be that much worse if they did go encrypted. These groups would litterly be up the asses of every precinct...more than they already are.

These guys are massive d1cks, however they do get coverage in media. I forgot what station in NYC, did a story about these guys saying to listen to scanner feeds online and show up on scenes to document stops. I remember smacking my head because I knew how bad it looked.

 

[Hans13]

Harassment by groups like this in NYC would only be that much worse if they did go encrypted. These groups would litterly be up the asses of every precinct...more than they already are.

Having done CopWatch, CopBlock, and a host of other tagentally related things; I can say that you are spot on. The more stumbling blocks that are put in place, the harder these groups work. In areas where there is little resistance, I've noticed members become bored and activity slows way down.

 

[902]

I live out in Vegas. I thought that this was an interesting point that you raised, but LVMPD skirted that issue by allowing media agencies with credentials to purchase APX-8000s and their radio techs loaded the key in that allowed them to monitor... obviously the freelancers lost out on that deal.

That sounds like a very rational thing. The units could be "touched" by an enhanced system key that basically prohibits the radio from being reprogrammed without one, and there would be no adding unauthorized TGs or even conventional channels in that particular radio thereafter. They could also say that they are not excluding the media.

 

[sc800]

If the NYPD encrypts all of their channels and doesn't give out pool radios for "security reasons" what will happen to:

Auxiliaries, Traffic Agents, School Safety Agents, Property & Evidence specialists and all other CMOS authorized to use radios. To say nothing of the other peace officer and police officer agencies (District Attorneys, DOI, Parks Enforcement, CUNY Public Safety, State Investigators etc )that have at least some access to NYPD channels

 

[ff026]

Auxiliaries radios are kept at the precinct they are not personally assigned I’m sure the Aux coordinator will be held responsible. Traffic agents and school safety agents are assigned radios. They are on their own division’s so who knows. EPCS are not assigned radios and do not use radios. The DA’s offices use the DOITT trunking aystem. The DA’s squads are UMOS and will be assigned radios. DOI, And parks are on the DOITT UHF trunking system and go thru their dispatcher. They do not come up on division channels. State investigators have the states system to use. The only outside agencies that you hear on division channels are the sheriffs and we will have to wait and see

 

[sc800]

Thanks for the information. I thought most of those groups were on NYPD division or at least had access to certain channels but I guess not

Are you sure ECPS don't have radios? On officer.com some NYPD UMOS were saying they do as they operate marked vehicles transporting evidence and are peace officers

Also I'm pretty sure there are some state investigators with NYPD radios, considering I was a state investigator in NYC

 

[Danny37]

One agency I'm certain that currently has access to NYPD division is homeless services police that operate at the city shelters.

On SOD, you'll hear nearly every agency in the tristate area radio in from time to time, especially in the summer when there's a ton of water rescues.

 

[ff026]

EPCS operate vehicles but don’t have radios. The newly created titles of vehicle maintainer and school crossing guard supervisor operate vehicles but do not have radios. Outside agencies have access to CW channels but they are not supposed to come up on division channels.

 

[4-crime]

If the NYPD encrypts all of their channels and doesn't give out pool radios for "security reasons" what will happen to:

Auxiliaries, Traffic Agents, School Safety Agents, Property & Evidence specialists and all other CMOS authorized to use radios. To say nothing of the other peace officer and police officer agencies (District Attorneys, DOI, Parks Enforcement, CUNY Public Safety, State Investigators etc )that have at least some access to NYPD channels

EPCS operate vehicles but don’t have radios. The newly created titles of vehicle maintainer and school crossing guard supervisor operate vehicles but do not have radios. Outside agencies have access to CW channels but they are not supposed to come up on division channels.

City marshals have access to NYPD freqs as well as FDNY, FDNY EMS, TBTA, PAPD, Nassau County PD, Yonkers PD, NYC OEM, and many other agencies including The US Marshal service. Even Central Park volunteer EMS has access to NYPD frequencies. Really not sure how this will all play out, considering NYPD has around 30 new analog conventional channels they have yet to fully roll out as well.

 

[Danny37]

EPCS operate vehicles but don’t have radios. The newly created titles of vehicle maintainer and school crossing guard supervisor operate vehicles but do not have radios. Outside agencies have access to CW channels but they are not supposed to come up on division channels.

In the old Nassau county PD radio layout, they had access to the 105-113 and 111 zone. Not sure if they still do after going P25 years ago. CW-3 and CW-1 seems to be programmed in a lot of agencies around the NY metro area.

 

[Danny37]

City marshals have access to NYPD freqs as well as FDNY, FDNY EMS, TBTA, PAPD, Nassau County PD, Yonkers PD, NYC OEM, and many other agencies including The US Marshal service. Even Central Park volunteer EMS has access to NYPD frequencies. Really not sure how this will all play out, considering NYPD has around 30 new analog conventional channels they have yet to fully roll out as well.

Wow 30 new frequencies, this is the first time I'm hearing this.

 

[richee2000]

can you please post the link to those 30 new NYPD channels or list them ?

 

[4-crime]

Here’s a link to the FCC for some of them.

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=1289667

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WPIT840 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIM669 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIK934 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIM650 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIM626 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIM642 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIM622 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIM499 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WIM666 - NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

 

[richee2000]

thanks! any idea what these channels will be used for and if they are p25 or analog?

 

[4-crime]

thanks! any idea what these channels will be used for and if they are p25 or analog?

From what I can tell analog conventional. Not sure of the uses for all of these though.

 

[Danny37]

I wonder if they're adding more zones to alleviate the heavy zones with a lot of activity. Maybe splitting the 3 precinct zones into 2 or maybe one. Or more citywide channels.

We can only wait and see.

 

[gatekeep]

Just something interesting, on the topic of licenses, I took the time to sift through an FCC data dump of the NYPD licenses. Its interesting that none of them directly specify a digital voice emission (any sort of F1E emission) directly.

Almost all the NYPD licenses define analog 25khz Voice (F3E) and Data (F1D), and 12.5khz Voice and Data. None of them specify the P25 emission code, or a general F1E emission type, which would specify digital voice.

 

[Danny37]

Just something interesting, on the topic of licenses, I took the time to sift through an FCC data dump of the NYPD licenses. Its interesting that none of them directly specify a digital voice emission (any sort of F1E emission) directly.

Almost all the NYPD licenses define analog 25khz Voice (F3E) and Data (F1D), and 12.5khz Voice and Data. None of them specify the P25 emission code, or a general F1E emission type, which would specify digital voice.

Does the current encrypted CW licenses have F1E emission?

 

[gatekeep]

Does the current encrypted CW licenses have F1E emission?

WIF560 (CW4) does not include a 20K0F1E (25khz Digital Voice), 11K3F1E (12.5khz Digital Voice) or the 8K10F1E (P25 Phase 1 C4FM Voice).

 

[4-crime]

WIF560 (CW4) does not include a 20K0F1E (25khz Digital Voice), 11K3F1E (12.5khz Digital Voice) or the 8K10F1E (P25 Phase 1 C4FM Voice).

Probably because it is still used in analog.