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WA8MHY

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Issue using Win500 v2.0 w/xp

Working in Win500 & a Pro-106, selecting the CONV tab, List-1 I have 3 freq's I want to move to the scan list-22 (for skywarn).

I have highlighted all three(contiguous) rows and under the edit menu, selected "copy". I'll do cut once I gain more confidence. ;-)

Then at the "show scan list" I select "Sky scan list-22"
(at this point there are no entries in the scan list-22)

A text box explaining how to add entries is shown in the middle of the screen.

Here's my problem, clicking on the "Grid Header" ( ID ) does nothing.
If I do this in a scan list that has some entries and I click on the Grid Header, it looks like pushing in on a button but again, in an empty scan list I get no such "feedback" when clicking on the grid header.

If I do attempt to "paste" (while scan list "sky scan list-22 is showing) it pastes into scan list-1 and shows duplicate entries.

What am I doing wrong?

I have been sucsesfull importing from Radiofeferenc db, no small feat for me.
I am using the supplied driver with rs usb calbe and haven't had any known issues so my reluctance to change.

Dave
 

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Working in Win500 & a Pro-106, selecting the CONV tab, List-1 I have 3 freq's I want to move to the scan list-22 (for skywarn).

I have highlighted all three(contiguous) rows and under the edit menu, selected "copy". I'll do cut once I gain more confidence. ;-)

Then at the "show scan list" I select "Sky scan list-22"
(at this point there are no entries in the scan list-22)

A text box explaining how to add entries is shown in the middle of the screen.

Here's my problem, clicking on the "Grid Header" ( ID ) does nothing.
If I do this in a scan list that has some entries and I click on the Grid Header, it looks like pushing in on a button but again, in an empty scan list I get no such "feedback" when clicking on the grid header.

If I do attempt to "paste" (while scan list "sky scan list-22 is showing) it pastes into scan list-1 and shows duplicate entries.

What am I doing wrong?

In the CONV tab:
  1. Select the scan list (drop-down list above 'grid') that contains the channels. In your case, that would be '1'
  2. Select the channels you want to move to (or add to) another scan list
  3. In the set of scan list checkboxes to the right of the grid, check the 'new' scan list. In your case, that would be 'SKY'
  4. If you want to move the channels to the new scan list, un-check the 'old' scan list. In your case, that would be '1'
No need to copy/cut/paste if you're just changing scan list assignments.

EDIT: In fact, copy/paste won't change scan list assigments. You're "copying" channels that belong to scan list 1. The scan list membership is part of the channels' data. When you "paste", you're just pasting those same channels - including their scan list membership - so you get duplicates (with new ObjectIDs).
 
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I am trying (unsuccessfully) to capture Radio ID information using Win500 and my PRO197. I have yet to cause anything obvious to happen when selecting "Auto-create new TGRPs from RadioIDs", much less am I seeing anything in the way of radio IDs as a result. I realize that I could trap the entire mess from "Capture CCDump", but that's about 1000% more information than I wish to see.

How is the "Auto-create new TGRPs from RadioIDs" expected to work on an APCO25 system, and how, apart from taking ALL of the CC data from the site, can I grab the radio IDs from a single talk group?
 

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You'll only see new TGRP objects created for new RadioIDs if the scanner actually receives those RadioIDs on the control channel. That would be indicated by "RadioID: xxxxx" on the bottom line of the LCD.
 

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What happens if I enter a RadioID number and change the type from private to group?
Would I then be able to pause and just listen to only communications from that particular RadioID?
 

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You'll only see new TGRP objects created for new RadioIDs if the scanner actually receives those RadioIDs on the control channel. That would be indicated by "RadioID: xxxxx" on the bottom line of the LCD.
I never see that on the PRO197 display (or emulator in Win500). All that ever appears there during a DTRS event is the "TSYS" in the center bottom. That in itself may be indicative of something. I do, however, see it in the CCDump, so it's coming across on the CC. For example:

13:39:39.85:p25:T000E:BB0000BEE07D1C01DD7044A5: SysID : D1C WACN-ID:BEE07
13:39:39.91:p25:T000E:000004011F07820502352B94: TGID-01922 RId-050235 VC- 852.800000

The RId above right after the talk group info is my target data.

I may be barking up the wrong tree entirely, but my objective is to trap (preferably without resorting to the voluminous CCDump method) the radio ID information for all radios on a specific talk group. Can you point me in the right direction?
 

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What happens if I enter a RadioID number and change the type from private to group?
Would I then be able to pause and just listen to only communications from that particular RadioID?

No. Changing the TGRP object's type to to "group" means that the ID value is interpreted as a talkgroup ID. It's only interpreted as a "RadioID" if the type is set to "private".

There is no way to tell a PSR-500 family scanner to "listen to this talkgroup ID, but only for certain Radio IDs".
 

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I never see that on the PRO197 display (or emulator in Win500). All that ever appears there during a DTRS event is the "TSYS" in the center bottom. That in itself may be indicative of something. I do, however, see it in the CCDump, so it's coming across on the CC. For example:

13:39:39.85:p25:T000E:BB0000BEE07D1C01DD7044A5: SysID : D1C WACN-ID:BEE07
13:39:39.91:p25:T000E:000004011F07820502352B94: TGID-01922 RId-050235 VC- 852.800000

The RId above right after the talk group info is my target data.

I may be barking up the wrong tree entirely, but my objective is to trap (preferably without resorting to the voluminous CCDump method) the radio ID information for all radios on a specific talk group. Can you point me in the right direction?

If you only see "TSYS" centered in the bottom line of the LCD, then the scanner isn't getting RadioID info.

In the CCDump snippet above... are you monitoring talkgroup ID 1922? If the scanner had stopped on that talkgroup ID in response to that CC message, I would expect the bottom line of the LCD to show the RadioID.
 

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In addition to above - never do see any additional items being created under a given TSYS when new radios hit, although I'm a bit confused about the option... would a new TGRP entry be expected to occur for every new Radio ID that hits an existing talkgroup number, and what would appear in the "Group or Radio ID" field when it was created.

As I say, nothing new ever seems to be created.. and of course, I'm not actually looking for new TGRP entries. Have to have already programmed the one(s) I want before they're even scanned from a list.
 

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If you only see "TSYS" centered in the bottom line of the LCD, then the scanner isn't getting RadioID info.

In the CCDump snippet above... are you monitoring talkgroup ID 1922? If the scanner had stopped on that talkgroup ID in response to that CC message, I would expect the bottom line of the LCD to show the RadioID.
Yes, I was monitoring 1922 at the time. As to the bottom line = *Negative*. In the following additional example, 9515 is one of three talkgroups programmed for a specific TSYS. All are coded for Scan List 15, and is the only list being scanned. The bottom of the screen shows TSYS at all times during DTRS on 9515, centered over the F2 button (both radio and emulator on PC). And yet the CCDump shows this:

15:13:16.12:p25:T000E:3A00001D1C033817A070E851: SysID : D1C RFSSID:03 SiteID:38
15:13:16.18:p25:T000E:00000415FC252B0568AD2B97: TGID-09515 RId-0568AD VC- 771.581250
 
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Of some interest, the manual for the PRO197 also indicates that TSYS centered over F2 is the normal "look" when monitoring a talkgroup during APCO25 reception (p.37).
 

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In the scanner's PGM FUNC GLOB menu, is "Show RadioID" set to "Yes"? (This corresponds to the "Show Radio IDs for group calls" checkbox in Win500's Extended Settings tab).

If not, the scanner won't display Radio ID info on the LCD. If it's not doing that, Win500 cannot created new TGRP objects for received Radio IDs.
 

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Nope. Feature was set to "Off". What I didn't realize was that the display had to be enabled for you to pick off that data on your side of the interface. Thought your side was "omniscient" since it could and does grab everything in 'dump' mode. <g>.

The ARID data is now producing new entries. All is good. Thanks.
 

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Nope. Feature was set to "Off". What I didn't realize was that the display had to be enabled for you to pick off that data on your side of the interface. Thought your side was "omniscient" since it could and does grab everything in 'dump' mode. <g>.

The ARID data is now producing new entries. All is good. Thanks.

Win500 is "omniscient". However, its brain is divided into two halves (the "monitor/control" half and the "CCDump" half) that don't communicate with each other. All of the monitoring functions (including all options on the Monitor/Control tab) depend on the LCD.
 

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Interesting architecture. I'll be sure to keep that in mind down the road.

Now - if I could just sort out how to get the "Notes" field for TGRP objects that I see in "All Objects" to appear when viewing them under their individual TSYS groups, I'd be in fat city. Not huge, but would avoid flipping tabs constantly.
 

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Now - if I could just sort out how to get the "Notes" field for TGRP objects that I see in "All Objects" to appear when viewing them under their individual TSYS groups, I'd be in fat city. Not huge, but would avoid flipping tabs constantly.

On the TSYS Objects tab, right-click on the "grid header" for the TGRPs grid. In the popup menu that appears, select "Add Column", then select "Notes" from the sub-menu.

EDIT: Hint - the newly-added column will appear after the column on which you initially right-click.
 
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Part II Win500 &amp; Pro-106

Would someone mind walking me through this?

I am learning to program the pro-106 via Win500 v2.0

I want to web-import (radioreference.com) Trunked systems > U.S.A., > Michigan, >Ingham Co. > "Ingham county public safety" EDACS.

Now my choices are: Sites:2 Channels13 Talkgroups161

What I tried:
I selected site 1 & 2 and in the Talkgroups I selected 122 tgrps.
and of course I received a warning not to do it.

(i believe the warning says not to put site 1&2 in the same system? What is a "system" and more important what is the correct why to proceed, and still be able to listen in on the 122 talkgroups.

Dave
 

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Would someone mind walking me through this?

I am learning to program the pro-106 via Win500 v2.0

I want to web-import (radioreference.com) Trunked systems > U.S.A., > Michigan, >Ingham Co. > "Ingham county public safety" EDACS.

Now my choices are: Sites:2 Channels13 Talkgroups161

What I tried:
I selected site 1 & 2 and in the Talkgroups I selected 122 tgrps.
and of course I received a warning not to do it.

(i believe the warning says not to put site 1&2 in the same system? What is a "system" and more important what is the correct why to proceed, and still be able to listen in on the 122 talkgroups.

Dave
EDACS is the System Type and can only import one site per import. Thus import the first site with the 122 TGRP Objects, Alpha tag name but use 1 at end for site then select a scanlist then continue import.

This should put you back to the system site dialog. Uncheck site 1, check site 2, keep 122 TGRP Objects then import again. Alpha Tag again but use 2 at end and set same scanlist as site 1 if desired but you can chose another.
 
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