You heard this on TMR2 or TMR1?
NS TMR2 new system discussion
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laptophfx
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Will the Halifax Fire Paging calls come off of the conventional and move on to the new TMR2??
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David
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David
Unless anybody here has inside information they can share, we haven't heard that paging will move off of the VHF network.
laptophfx
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Ok, thanks hfxchris
If you are talking about two-tone voice paging, we just went through the same question in Alberta during the buildout of our system, and the answer essentially is we're not at that stage of technology (pagers on a trunk system) yet.
You could do the work of a pager by issuing everyone a radio and generating Call Alert messages, but that tends to be cost-prohibitive unless the government is willing to cough up a whole slew of handheld radios...
You could do the work of a pager by issuing everyone a radio and generating Call Alert messages, but that tends to be cost-prohibitive unless the government is willing to cough up a whole slew of handheld radios...
laptophfx
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Yes Jay that's exactly what I was wondering, thanks for the info. 
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Jay, or anyone else for that matter who has experience with these newfangled P25 systems
A number of the locals here have been experiencing the same problem, sites appear to be up but if you pause on the control channel of a site that appears to be online, your scanner doesn't give you any site information like IDs or WACNs or anything. Pro96Com also sits there like you've just tuned to static.
Yet if you manually put the frequency into a Uniden like a BCD996XT and hit Hold, it mutes the audio like it does for the rest of the control channels and displays DAT below the frequency, which I'm pretty sure means it's receiving a P25 control channel.
Any thoughts?
A number of the locals here have been experiencing the same problem, sites appear to be up but if you pause on the control channel of a site that appears to be online, your scanner doesn't give you any site information like IDs or WACNs or anything. Pro96Com also sits there like you've just tuned to static.
Yet if you manually put the frequency into a Uniden like a BCD996XT and hit Hold, it mutes the audio like it does for the rest of the control channels and displays DAT below the frequency, which I'm pretty sure means it's receiving a P25 control channel.
Any thoughts?
Jay, or anyone else for that matter who has experience with these newfangled P25 systems
A number of the locals here have been experiencing the same problem, sites appear to be up but if you pause on the control channel of a site that appears to be online, your scanner doesn't give you any site information like IDs or WACNs or anything. Pro96Com also sits there like you've just tuned to static.
Yet if you manually put the frequency into a Uniden like a BCD996XT and hit Hold, it mutes the audio like it does for the rest of the control channels and displays DAT below the frequency, which I'm pretty sure means it's receiving a P25 control channel.
Any thoughts?
The RCMP system in Newfoundland has similar behavior on its voice channels. They are transmitting 'idle voice' on their inactive voice channels for reasons I've never been able to figure out. Look for another frequency with similar strength. The voice channel's digital sound, if you listen to it in analog mode, is very even and uniform because it's sending the same thing constantly. A control channel will have a subtly repeating sound which is not quite as 'even'.
The idle sound on the voice channel of course ceases when a call comes through, and resumes after.
novascotian
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I don't really know much about our new system but at this stage there is hardly any voice traffic so far. Techs and overseers plus a couple of exercises, but it really hasn't rolled out yet. What Chris is describing I have observed in the last couple of days on a site that just came up. I am definitely on the Primary Control Channel for the site which is quite some distance from me, so I am not saying it is very strong. I am using a beam, so when I swing onto its direction, using a 396XT on hold, and squelch off, the background noise ceases as it always does when it starts picking up the data stream of the CC. I have had this up to 2 bars (out of 5) for strength. No System ID or Site ID showing. I may have experienced this with a couple of the other sites during this startup phase but I didn't really record it. So my question is, is there some kind of level of operation where data is going out on a CC but the site is not really all the way functioning? I can't imagine it being on purpose, so I guess I am thinking a glitch. I should add that at the time I tried this yesterday, at that location, I was picking up at least 15 other sites showing up normally.
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Well, I've given you my answer on what I believe it to be, and what I've experienced in other centers. The only other thing I can add is that the x96 line of radios has a problem (read: is incapable of) displaying three-digit site IDs. That is to say, a site near me which is RFSS 102, site 102 will show nothing on the screen. Adjacent RFSS 092, site 092 shows SID:005Bh-9292. In other words, Uniden never took 3-digit site IDs into account, despite the fact the standard allows for both RFSSs and Sites to be from 0 to 255.
I guess we'll give it some time and see what happens with a couple of these mystery sites
laptophfx
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Im hearing EHS Central1 operating on the new P25 system this morning.
EHS made the switch over night. You'll probably continue to hear some activity on the old TMR-1 talkgroups for a little bit, I know they had some talkgroups bridged between the two systems and it appears they haven't taken those down yet.
laptophfx
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Awesome thanks....I find Central1 is coming in loud and clear on the P25 system compared to the 800Mhz one. I always had poor reception with it on 800Mhz.
NSFireGuy83
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EHS still undergoing the conversion on some ambulance units. Will see continued conversion through the next 6 months for Fire as well as other Gov Agencies to my understanding. Just programmed the TMR2 system into one of my scanners and starting to log it. Bridging still occurring for EHS, for how long I'm not sure. Exciting times!
fordman2006
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We got a letter in the volunteer fire department that they are starting the migration for fire departments on Nov 17! They already came and installed some of the new radios in some of the firetrucks but they said they'll come back to change the rest and turn on the new ones later. Where I work for Ns transportation and infrastructure renewal we haven't got the new radios yet and no one knows when we'll get them! All we knowis it will be before may 2015. I have a Gre psr 600 with an outdoor discone antenna to monitor the system and it comes in great, better than the old 800mhz system. I get 3 of the towers with 99% and the fourth one with 80%
Recently in my area I was able to pick up the Arichat site to listen to CB2 talk groups but now that the change over to the new P25 system the only site that's not on the list for Richmond is Arichat, wondering if it was placed under a different name, I'm just a couple KM short being able to pick up the lochlomd site, any help would be great.
fordman2006
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If u go to marscan.com and click on tmr2, scroll down halfway you'll find a list of all towers in the province. For some reason the radio reference site is missing a few towers, there is one for Martinique(arichat) the control frequencies are 769.30625 and 769.55625 try those, it says there's also Fox Island which I think is not too far from you. Let me know if you have trouble finding that list and I'll email you the link. I assume you a digital capable scanner that has the 700mhz band to listen to the new p25 system.
MTouesnard, if you happen to grab those two sites that Fordman2006 mentioned, would you drop a note here to that effect? Hfx_Chris will then update the site info list here at RR. I had posted a notice on Scanmaritimes that we're still looking for verification of a number of sites....those were two of them.
thanks,
bt
thanks,
bt
I haven't been adding any sites to RR's database unless they're confirmed by somebody to be accurate - as in, site is online, and what the control channel is.
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