NYPD Trunk?

[richee2000]

I ran the system in DSD+ over the weekend because I was bored. Occasionally, TGs 103 and 102 showed up (Clear); nothing else. But that's the usual with this system. I also think it's a coincidence that the TG stopped transmitting when a post was made here, as the system is very random.



What P25 NYPD Repeater?

NYPD ENCRYPTED PRECINCT COMMS THE BRONX 42 AND 44 PRECINCT were broadcast in the clear on this system for approx 4 hours, until a post went up on here detailing this situation, at which time, shortly thereafter, the TG 111 was taken down, ending the clear communications of the encrypted precincts over this repeater.

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NYPD BX 42/44

42/44 Precincts

Law Dispatch

New York City Police Department (NYPD) Trunking System, New York City, New York

New York City Police Department (NYPD) Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

 

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NYPD ENCRYPTED PRECINCT COMMS THE BRONX 42 AND 44 PRECINCT were broadcast in the clear on this system for approx 4 hours, until a post went up on here detailing this situation, at which time, shortly thereafter, the TG 111 was taken down, ending the clear communications of the encrypted precincts over this repeater.

111

06f

T

NYPD BX 42/44

42/44 Precincts

Law Dispatch

New York City Police Department (NYPD) Trunking System, New York City, New York

New York City Police Department (NYPD) Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

It’s a system of repeaters not a repeater, perhaps you mean talkgroup?

 

[richee2000]

I am sure you are aware of the "System of repeaters" and the "Talk Group" in question, as I posted details of this "System"

 

[seagravebuff60]

A trunk system is not a repeater.

As noted in many previous posts, the talkgroups on the system are broadcast based on subscriber affiliations. At this point, there are probably a dozen people who have radios, which probably include high NYPD Brass or radio techs. Maybe someone with a subscriber radio got bored and switched their radio to that TG for a few hours to listen. A TG will only become life if a subscriber radio (a person with a radio that has this trunk system programmed in) affiliates (selects a specific TG on their radio) to a particular TG, Regardless of encryption status on both ends.

I've seen this happen with many TGs since the system went live, that an encrypted NYPD UHF frequency was multicasted to the trunk system in the clear for a few. Nothing unusual.

 

[kc2asb]

I ran the system in DSD+ over the weekend because I was bored. Occasionally, TGs 103 and 102 showed up (Clear); nothing else. But that's the usual with this system. I also think it's a coincidence that the TG stopped transmitting when a post was made here, as the system is very random.

As you and others have said, the only users of the system appear to be radio techs and some NYPD brass. IMHO, the randomness makes it interesting enough to monitor

You can make a strong case one way or the other as to why the TG stopped transmitting. This is a very highly visible site and read by those in the industry and positions of power.

 

[richee2000]

A trunk system is not a repeater.

As noted in many previous posts, the talkgroups on the system are broadcasted based on subscriber affiliations. At this point, there are probably a dozen people who have radios, which probably include high NYPD Brass or radio techs. Maybe someone with a subscriber radio got bored and switched their radio to that TG for a few hours to listen.

I've seen this happen with many TGs since the system went live, that an encrypted NYPD UHF frequency was multicasted to the trunk system in the clear for a few. Nothing unusual.

The fact is, this happended at least twice. NYPD Staten Island Encrypted Pcts Comms were multicasted in the clear, and yesterday, Bronx Comms, which were taken down well after regular hours at approx 2200, after the post on here.... ......I am well aware of the Correct Technical term of this "Trunk System" which consists of multiple repeaters.

 

[seagravebuff60]

IMHO, the randomness makes it interesting enough to monitor

I agree, It is pretty interesting, and it's great to monitor any new P25 system coming to life. But sometimes, this system will be silent for days or weeks, and that makes it boring.

You can make a strong case one way or the other as to why the TG stopped transmitting. This is a very highly visible site and read by those in the industry and positions of power.

Maybe someone saw the post and had an "oh s*** " moment. Maybe the commissioner, Frank Regan, saw it. Maybe not. I'm just saying that the system has been very random in the past, so it could be a coincidence as well.

The fact is, this happended at least twice. NYPD Staten Island Encrypted Pcts Comms were multicasted in the clear, and yesterday, Bronx Comms. I am well aware of the Correct Technical term of this "Trunk System" which consists of multiple repeaters.

Ive also seen it the other way around; while the TG on the trunk system is encrypted but the UHF Frequency is clear (Back when most were still analog).

 

[kc2asb]

Ive also seen it the other way around; while the TG on the trunk system is encrypted but the UHF Frequency is clear (Back when most were still analog).

Interesting. Maybe that was the MTS/17/MTN precincts. It's the only TG listed as full-time encryption in the database, as you likely know.

 

[seagravebuff60]

Interesting. Maybe that was the MTS/17/MTN precincts. It's the only TG listed as full-time encryption in the database, as you likely know.

Correct. It was. Before the UHF Frequency went P25 E.

 

[seagravebuff60]

Is anyone able to receive this system? CCs down? Im unable to with DSD+ as of this morning

 

[richee2000]

no signal, sea bright NJ..... usually readable here

 

[richee2000]

It has mysteriously gone off air since yesterdays "incident"

 

[richee2000]

While this NYPD p25 trunking system went down, the New York State legislature approved the bill requiring all police radio transmissions to be unencrypted:

Over and ‘not’ out: NYS Legislature passes bill that gives press encrypted police radio access – amNewYork

Members of the state Legislature voted Thursday to approve the "Keep Police Radio Public Act," which will give credentialed members of the media access to

www.amny.com

Some have said that this NYPD trunking system would eventually be used to give access to the press and the public to encrypted NYPD frequencies, but in the clear, with a 30-minute delay for officer safety.

 

[DaveNF2G]

While this NYPD p25 trunking system went down, the New York State legislature approved the bill requiring all police radio transmissions to be unencrypted:

Over and ‘not’ out: NYS Legislature passes bill that gives press encrypted police radio access – amNewYork

Members of the state Legislature voted Thursday to approve the "Keep Police Radio Public Act," which will give credentialed members of the media access to

www.amny.com

Some have said that this NYPD trunking system would eventually be used to give access to the press and the public to encrypted NYPD frequencies, but in the clear, with a 30-minute delay for officer safety.View attachment 184767

Doesn't go far enough. "Credentialed press" are not reliable enough for situational awareness.

 

[richee2000]

Doesn't go far enough. "Credentialed press" are not reliable enough for situational awareness.

One step at a time.....We all think THE PUBLIC should have FULL Access to ALL Pct Dispatch with a delay for Officer Safety, with TAC channels Encrypted, With No Access. it has been said that This NYPD P25 Trunk system will be for Press Access

 

[kc2asb]

While this NYPD p25 trunking system went down, the New York State legislature approved the bill requiring all police radio transmissions to be unencrypted:

Over and ‘not’ out: NYS Legislature passes bill that gives press encrypted police radio access – amNewYork

Members of the state Legislature voted Thursday to approve the "Keep Police Radio Public Act," which will give credentialed members of the media access to

www.amny.com

Some have said that this NYPD trunking system would eventually be used to give access to the press and the public to encrypted NYPD frequencies, but in the clear, with a 30-minute delay for officer safety.

Very interesting and unexpected news. Hopefully, the Governor will sign it into law!

 

[seagravebuff60]

The system is back up and running.

 

[W1KNE]

The system is back up and running.

Thanks for putting this thread back on its intended subject.

 

[Danny37]

I had a feeling this system was for media access but I didn't want to speculate. Hope it goes through smoothly. It'd be nice if it was open to the public with a 30-60 minute like richee mentioned but we're getting there.

 

[richee2000]

I had a feeling this system was for media access but I didn't want to speculate. Hope it goes through smoothly. It'd be nice if it was open to the public with a 30-60 minute like richee mentioned but we're getting there.

Thanks Danny, it's not confirmed but it's just a suspicion at this point.... And it would be absolutely wonderful if that comes true