PA Statewide P25 Phase 2 System

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I'll be doing a radio-nerd road trip around PA with Pro96Com and Unitrunker when I get home to the states from work in a week or so. I'll add those two sites to my list. If you gents come up with any others you need a closer examination on let me know.

If you are in the Bedford County area, the location of site 1.107 has eluded us for several months now. It will be sometime for me to be able to make another attempt at it.

18/19 - GHJBedfordHyndmanBSI = WQUX222 PC1.107BEDF30161.8500161.900161.9500941Unconfirmed WQLP366 location
 

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If you are in the Bedford County area, the location of site 1.107 has eluded us for several months now. It will be sometime for me to be able to make another attempt at it.

18/19 - GHJBedfordHyndmanBSI = WQUX222 PC1.107BEDF30161.8500161.900161.9500941Unconfirmed WQLP366 location

Added to the list. I'll see what I can do. Any others guys? Don't be shy. lol.
 

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Just looking at the wiki, these are two I am curious about:

19/20 - NPRColumbiaCatawissaWRCB5361.111?COLU01153.1025153.4550161.825Speculation based on neighbors; FELHC

18/19 - KLMBerksPort ClintonWQOE3331.087BERK04 800853.1750???OFFLINE

There is a master list there of finished and known planned sites:

We seem to have done a pretty good job at keeping up with the sites as they come online. The real challenge is logging and IDing talkgroups since there are only two simulcast areas (greater Pittsburgh and Warren Co).

I would not expect the remaining 20 sites marked in the wiki as "20/21 - CF" to start coming online until later this year or early next year. Those will be for the final phase which is the migration of Troops C and F. I would imagine the pandemic situation may lead to a delay in this otherwise largely on-time project.
 
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Just looking at the wiki, these are two I am curious about:

19/20 - NPRColumbiaCatawissaWRCB5361.111?COLU01153.1025153.4550161.825Speculation based on neighbors; FELHC

18/19 - KLMBerksPort ClintonWQOE3331.087BERK04 800853.1750???OFFLINE

There is a master list there of finished and known planned sites:

We seem to have done a pretty good job at keeping up with the sites as they come online. The real challenge is logging and IDing talkgroups since there are only two simulcast areas (greater Pittsburgh and Warren Co).

I'll make sure to run Unitrunker and Pro96Com and deliver what I get for talkgroups also where applicable. Your two are added to my road trip map. :)
 

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I will look into that. I know someone else in the area whose using dongles also. Maybe it's not as complicated as it seemed to begin with.
The software is great for mapping out systems. Unitrunker (and version 2) is free and relatively easy to get running; DSD+ Fast Lane is a bit more complex to set up, but can decode Phase 2 voice which is a plus. For the record, I use Unitrunker 2 to log two systems 24/7, and sometimes a third. I prefer its windowing system, and that it can log many legacy trunking technologies that DSD+ Fast Lane cannot. That said, I will be using DSD+ later today to analyze a Harris site that is using TG pools and Phase 2, something that cannot be done with UT2.

If you go down the SDR rabbit hole, I'd also suggest finding a copy of SDR# to find active frequencies. It can help find stuff you didn't know existed.
 

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I noticed County Hailing TG's as a new addition to the database. Can someone tell me what these are used for?
 

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I noticed County Hailing TG's as a new addition to the database. Can someone tell me what these are used for?
Pretty self-explanatory...used for hailing the county associated with each talkgroup. In other words, a direct line to each county's 911 center or primary PSAP.
 

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Pretty self-explanatory...used for hailing the county associated with each talkgroup. In other words, a direct line to each county's 911 center or primary PSAP.
I was just wondering who is doing the hailing? Is it anyone on the system?
 

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I was just wondering who is doing the hailing? Is it anyone on the system?

This has been discussed previously. During the OpenSky years PEMA provided control stations to every county 911 center (as well as Pittsburgh, Allentown, and Bethlehem PSAPs). How the counties handled these stations varied by county. Along with the radios, PEMA created a talkgroup for every county that could be utilized by OpenSky users to contact the county. As we move to P25, the old OpenSky radios are being replaced by Motorola consolettes with the same talkgroup set-up. The radios I have looked at over the years at 911 centers generally have PennDOT's main talkgroup for the county's maintenance office, PEMA statewide, PEMA regional talkgroups for whatever region the county is located, then county talkgroups for the home county and neighboring counties. Some counties could patch their local systems onto the talkgroups when needed, some could not...it all depended on how the radios were set up locally. I would imagine it will be the same way with the new P25 radios. Replacements started in the NW and will work through PEMA Western Area, Central Area, then Eastern Area counties over the next year or so.

Edit: If I recall correctly, the radios also had regional taskforce talkgroups in them? I don't recall ever seeing these utilized. I do know caches of OpenSky portable exist with PEMA regional taskforce talkgroups programmed. I saw a bunch during the Papal visit, although I don't recall them actually getting used as everybody and their mother had their own radios there.
 

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I was just wondering who is doing the hailing? Is it anyone on the system?

The shorter answer is any user whose agency bothered to program the talkgroups into their radio channel lineup. Some agencies may have them and never use them. Some agencies may not have them at all. There is no standard requirement.
 

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This has been discussed previously. During the OpenSky years PEMA provided control stations to every county 911 center (as well as Pittsburgh, Allentown, and Bethlehem PSAPs). How the counties handled these stations varied by county. Along with the radios, PEMA created a talkgroup for every county that could be utilized by OpenSky users to contact the county. As we move to P25, the old OpenSky radios are being replaced by Motorola consolettes with the same talkgroup set-up. The radios I have looked at over the years at 911 centers generally have PennDOT's main talkgroup for the county's maintenance office, PEMA statewide, PEMA regional talkgroups for whatever region the county is located, then county talkgroups for the home county and neighboring counties. Some counties could patch their local systems onto the talkgroups when needed, some could not...it all depended on how the radios were set up locally. I would imagine it will be the same way with the new P25 radios. Replacements started in the NW and will work through PEMA Western Area, Central Area, then Eastern Area counties over the next year or so.

Edit: If I recall correctly, the radios also had regional taskforce talkgroups in them? I don't recall ever seeing these utilized. I do know caches of OpenSky portable exist with PEMA regional taskforce talkgroups programmed. I saw a bunch during the Papal visit, although I don't recall them actually getting used as everybody and their mother had their own radios there.
Thanks for the great explanation!
 

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I know the wiki can be a free for all since anybody can edit it. But, it sure would be simpler if we just had a page of RIDS and a page of Talkgroup IDs. If someone then wanted to make separate sections of those pages to parse things out all on the same page, it would be a little simpler than having a page for encrypted talkgroups, a page for clear talkgroups, a page for PSP talkgroups, etc. I know it lessens my desire to try updating the wiki with that many different pages.
 

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I know the wiki can be a free for all since anybody can edit it. But, it sure would be simpler if we just had a page of RIDS and a page of Talkgroup IDs. If someone then wanted to make separate sections of those pages to parse things out all on the same page, it would be a little simpler than having a page for encrypted talkgroups, a page for clear talkgroups, a page for PSP talkgroups, etc. I know it lessens my desire to try updating the wiki with that many different pages.
Agreed, I made the same observation a few weeks ago. It's too much to try to keep up with, especially when the pages have a lot of the same entries but they don't jive up completely. Some pages show talkgroups as being confirmed, while another page shows it being unidentified. :unsure:
 
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Agreed, I made the same observation a few weeks ago. It's too much to try to keep up with, especially when the pages have a lot of the same entries but they don't jive up completely. Some pages show talkgroups as being confirmed, while another page shows it being unidentified. :unsure:

Agreed, I deleted what I have entered that is keeping you up at night.
 

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Anybody able to check and see if Bodines Mtn is on the air, yet, in Lycoming County?

WQUX216 1.116 LYCO15 159.1275 reported appearing offline 4/12/2020
 

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What's the deal with the PGC Fire talkgroups?

The listings in the wiki keep changing. A while back a bunch of the PGC listings were changed to "Fire Ops #" for each region, and now they've mostly all been reverted to unknown status as of about two weeks ago. Likewise, the "Fire Talkaround" talkgroups were changed to "Fire Ops 1", and now they're back to "Fire Talkaround".

Does anyone actually know what the real assignments are? :unsure:
Caught some traffic on 12048 the other day. Sounds like the talkgroup was identified as NE Fire Ops 1 over the air "551A on Fire Ops 1"
 
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I wonder about PSP as well. Monitoring BRAD31\BRAD41 I've picked everything BUT 10188 Towanda. I am currently parked on 10135 Coudersport, which is western Tioga. I've also gotten 10138 Mansfield. I have received PGC talking to Dallas as well.

And for anyone keeping track of RID's, the ones i'm getting while parked on 10135 are 83, 1201474, and 1200577.
 
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