Port aux Basque Newfoundland

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struct_dj

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Ok guys I have it figured out with jays help , its a P25 trunk system, the control channel is 160.5900 and the talk channel is 161.2500, this is the working system where i`m to, which is in Stephenville Crossing, and i`m pretty sure this is the same system for all of St. George's Bay.
 
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What's the SysID and WACN and site number? SysID is 3 characters, WACN is 5 characters, and is under the "ID" column on Unitrunker in the "Systems" tab of the main program window. The site number is on the window that pops up when you start the receiver.

Awesome find!
 

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Hey All:

I will be travelling out west....(way west....Alberta... :)) this week so I should be able to map out the P25 system for the island west of deer lake as I drive through.

Here is what I have CONFIRMED so far with respect to the NL RCMP P25 system...

Control Voice SID WACN

Clarenville ........ 155.970 ........ 153.290 ........ 000Ch-4101 ........ 0000C
Gander ........ 155.640 ........ 160.485 ........ 000Ch-3301 ........ 0000C
Glovertown ........ 155.340 ........ 160.590 ........ 000Ch-3801 ........ 0000C
Lewisporte ........ 155.400 ........ 159.120 ........ 000Ch-3401 ........ 0000C
Botwood ........ 155.880 ........ 159.690 ........ 000Ch-3101 ........ 0000C
Grand Falls-Windsor 155.700 ........ 159.690 ........ 000Ch-2801 ........ 0000C
Springdale ........ 155.280 ........ 159.690 ........ 000Ch-3001 ........ 0000C
Deer Lake ........ 160.590 ........ 160.120 ........ 000Ch-1101 ........ 0000C
TCH at Come By Chance 155.820 ........ 159.060 ........ 000Ch-4601 ........ 0000C

Talk Group

Clarenville 532
Gander 534
Bay d'Espoir 561
Grand Falls-Windsor 545
Deer Lake 547
Stephenville 546
ProvinceWide Travel 662
Encrypted Talkgroup 597


When I get on the road I will be able to see if Struct_dj's suspicions are correct about the Bay St. George district.

Hope this info helps....

Ron
 

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Hey All:

I will be travelling out west....(way west....Alberta... :)) this week so I should be able to map out the P25 system for the island west of deer lake as I drive through.

Here is what I have CONFIRMED so far with respect to the NL RCMP P25 system...

Control Voice SID WACN

Clarenville ........ 155.970 ........ 153.290 ........ 000Ch-4101 ........ 0000C
Gander ........ 155.640 ........ 160.485 ........ 000Ch-3301 ........ 0000C
Glovertown ........ 155.340 ........ 160.590 ........ 000Ch-3801 ........ 0000C
Lewisporte ........ 155.400 ........ 159.120 ........ 000Ch-3401 ........ 0000C
Botwood ........ 155.880 ........ 159.690 ........ 000Ch-3101 ........ 0000C
Grand Falls-Windsor 155.700 ........ 159.690 ........ 000Ch-2801 ........ 0000C
Springdale ........ 155.280 ........ 159.690 ........ 000Ch-3001 ........ 0000C
Deer Lake ........ 160.590 ........ 160.120 ........ 000Ch-1101 ........ 0000C
TCH at Come By Chance 155.820 ........ 159.060 ........ 000Ch-4601 ........ 0000C

Talk Group

Clarenville 532
Gander 534
Bay d'Espoir 561
Grand Falls-Windsor 545
Deer Lake 547
Stephenville 546
ProvinceWide Travel 662
Encrypted Talkgroup 597


When I get on the road I will be able to see if Struct_dj's suspicions are correct about the Bay St. George district.

Hope this info helps....

Ron



I guess I gotta work on the spacing....LOL
 

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I guess I gotta work on the spacing....LOL

That's outstanding info! Thanks :D You should submit that info to the DB.

If struct_dj is seeing a different sysid/NAC, it might be a different system, though. We'll see.

As for fixing the spacing, if you wrap it in [ code ] and [ /code ] the same way you'd use [ quote ] and [ /quote ], you'll get a fixed-formatting appearance.
 
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struct_dj
you should PM me i'll be over your way come may. not sure which day.
i have two pro 106's and an 396xt i have had the same problem.we could get together and see what we come up with
though i can hear them as far away as burgeo also but again they are on that same #.
it was funny i had the xt in my truck over xmas time when i pasted the cop on the side of the road and a sec later an umarked car passed me in the other direction. then the call came through saying pull over that truck.
near Shat myself. had to hide it just in case.
 

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hope someone can update the DB after terrahawkone updates us on his findings.
be nice to know if they are running more than one or just single channel for this area.
i know when i was there in Dec/10 i did hear a couple of times where the dispatcher(97)
would say something where the member had to wait cause the channel was already being occupied by another member. and once he was done she then took the next members info.not sure why they were doing it this way.
 

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I know you wanted more info about the system jay, but I couldn't find any good information on how to use the Unitrunker software, but the nac key is 02c, and I get two talk groups 456 & 457.

jlo sounds good my buddy, but I won't be in the province for all of may, i'll be in NB on the 9th, for 2 weeks
 
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Never mind found one. Hey quick Question for anyone here, is it legal to steam a police scanner feed off my website?
 

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Jay I have Unitrunker working finally, i popped in control channel 160.5900 and it found this:



160.5900 control LNC 00-1958 site 044-001, 044-002, 050-184, 044-022, 044-015, 044-000, 045-086, 044-085, 044-006, 044-225

IT SHOWED THIS AS A ANOTHER CONTROL CHANNEL
154.7700 control LNC 00-0794 site 180-000


ps i don't understand this data
 

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It's kind of vague and ambiguous without context. If I'm reading right what you wrote, you are receiving site 044-001 with control channel 160.59 which is LCN #00-1958. Site 044-001 has "neighbours" of 044-002, 050-184, 044-022, and etc. You have a TON of neighboring sites you might be able to find. Each one of those sites will have its own control channel. Some of them may be in reach of you - but some may not, they may be far up the coast, or even into the interior. Just because the site is listed as a "neighbor" doesn't mean it's necessarily nearby, but often they are.

The second control channel/LCN also helps out because it helps us understand the "band plan". A radio doesn't get a message that says "go to 154.77", it says "go to channel 00-0794". There is a data table inside the radio that knows what channel is what from its Logical Channel Numbering (LCN). (This isn't exactly the right name except for certain trunk systems, but it'll do for now). So when Unitrunker gets a request for a voice channel from the trunk control channel, you might see extra/other channels pop up in the listing but with 000.0000 as the frequency. (If you're really lucky, Unitrunker will fill it in by itself, because it is going to do these math calculations on its own.) Using a little bit of simple math, and assuming that the band plans are the same for all the sites, we can figure out what frequency each LCN represents.

From what you posted, we know 160.59 = channel 1958, and 154.77 = channel 794. (We'll skip the "00-" bit for now.) 160.59 minus 154.77 equals 5.82. 1958 minus 794 equals 1164. 5.82 divided by 1164 equals 0.005, which is the step size. That means, every channel number you go up, is 0.005 MHz higher than the previous one. So channel 795 would be 154.775 for example.

Using that, we can tell that the base value for this trunk system is ... 154.77 minus (794 * 0.005) = 150.80. That means that 150.8 is channel 00-0000. This also means that you shouldn't have a frequency lower than this in the system.

So... let's say Unitrunker now shows you a channel "00-1004" with no frequency data (000.0000). 1004*0.005 = 5.02. 150.8 plus 5.02 = 155.82. There's the frequency value for channel 1004.

Conversely, if you find a frequency of 160.2 and don't know its LCN, you can figure it out this way: 160.2 minus 150.8 is 9.4. 9.4 divided by 0.005 is 1880. There's your channel number for 160.2 - 00-1880.

This, to me, is what makes finding a new trunk system so damn fun. Figuring out all this stuff, picking up the talkgroups and trying to determine who they are/what they belong to, and all that. :)

Quick favor to ask - when you're running Unitrunker, please provide the info on the top of the "Site" window. You'll see probably "Site 044-001", and right below that, beside the colored "graph" that shows how strong your signal is, you will see "APCO P25 #####-XXX". Please please post the #####-XXX part! :)
 
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Have you tried the lists Terrahawkone and I posted.
When I found those I was running a frequency search with the 996xt.
As I travelled from Port aux Basque to St.John's last June.
Did quick save while driving, then enter frequency into a P25 system when stationary.
Put each freq in as a separate site.
On return trip to Port aux Basque ran the P-25 system and the frequenices all seem to
work. No dead areas that I noticed.
 

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Ok jay, i'll try again later, but i must admit, kinda lost with this data, also when i ran it last night it poped up alot of windows which made me even more crossed eyed. I took what looked important, but their was just to much data / windows and i do remember seeing some windows with 000.0000 frequency as well, but ignored them.
 

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Hey guys i`ve noticed when I use the USB cord from scanner to pc, my signal goes way way down, anything I can do about this ?
 

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Jay for all the sites windows its saying APCO P25 0000C-00C, but in two other windows its different with the frequency which says 0.00000 with APCO P25 02E0C-00C and the other is 0.00000 with APCO P25 0380C-00C, all these windows have LCN 00-1958 in common, also i never seen that other control channel this round
 

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Ok Jay, I opened the program back up and it save everything in a more viewable format, man wish i knew this program better,have a look at the screen i took of it
 
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