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Radio IDs
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Just finished redoing my UCAN RID list. My list now has 455 users ID'ed. Out of a total of 10,876 users on the UCAN system. Thank-you bneilson for what you had. I've been listening to the Davis Co units and working on getting them added. I wish these users would be a bit better in their vocalizations when they key the mike.
Yea that is the hard part...
I do find it fun and challenging to watch the screen and remember the ID that is shown and the ID that is verbally said while writing it down. It has actually proven to be a nice skill to enhance. I do agree that if they annunciated a bit more it would make it much easier. Dispatchers have the advantage of already having a database so they don't have to go through this...
All total in my list I have 6057 Radio IDs with some level of identification. That could be as little as a Department and as much as a Department, Unit ID & Name of individual.
I do find it fun and challenging to watch the screen and remember the ID that is shown and the ID that is verbally said while writing it down. It has actually proven to be a nice skill to enhance. I do agree that if they annunciated a bit more it would make it much easier. Dispatchers have the advantage of already having a database so they don't have to go through this...
All total in my list I have 6057 Radio IDs with some level of identification. That could be as little as a Department and as much as a Department, Unit ID & Name of individual.
Yeah, I'm a bit more pickyer on what I've been putting in the list. I figure the TG will tell me what department. I've been working on actual unit identifier.
Attached is what I have.
I am wondering if the dispatchers console displays the calling users ID, or do they go just by what is said?
Attached is what I have.
I am wondering if the dispatchers console displays the calling users ID, or do they go just by what is said?
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LGLHOOK
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gldavis said:
At VECC the console will display the radio ID and radio users name (i.e Officer/Fire unit) I have heard the dispatcher do a general broadcast for the open mic. If there is no response, then they say "Officer A.B.C check your mic for an open mic"
I have also heard when they change cars the dispatcher said "Officer A.B.C, be advised you are showing up on my board as Officer X.Y.Z"
qlajlu
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Wow, that is impressive, Gary. The only "problem" with what you have there that I can foresee is when PD officers bid out new areas. Maybe they don't do that any more, but when I worked for SLC, every month we would bid the area we wanted to work. Of course, some of the areas were covered by the same guys (those with the most whiskers) most of the time until we started to b...ah, ...er, until we complained, then they would only allow an officer to work the same area three successive bids (that would be three months) then he would have to bid somewhere else to give someone else a chance to work the highly-prized areas, but then he could come back for another three successive bids.
The only thing that it might do is mess up your association of RIDs with a particular radio call sign because the radio call sign is assigned according to the area being covered whereas the radios are assigned to the officers. If an officer goes to a different area, his call sign changes, but he carries the same radio with him.
That is not the case with the UHP and I'm not sure about the SO or these other departments.
You've got bigger things in mind than I would have had. I would have been satisfied associating an RID with an agency and left it at that.
When SLC PD officers go to work, the dispatchers are given a roster which gives them the name and IBM number (read serial number) so they can be entered into the CAD, from what I understand. If what LGLHOOK said is true (I haven't heard them tell an officer he is showing as someone else) all it takes is an entry into the CAD to clear it up. The open mic thing is a continuous problem, however.
The only thing that it might do is mess up your association of RIDs with a particular radio call sign because the radio call sign is assigned according to the area being covered whereas the radios are assigned to the officers. If an officer goes to a different area, his call sign changes, but he carries the same radio with him.
That is not the case with the UHP and I'm not sure about the SO or these other departments.
You've got bigger things in mind than I would have had. I would have been satisfied associating an RID with an agency and left it at that.
When SLC PD officers go to work, the dispatchers are given a roster which gives them the name and IBM number (read serial number) so they can be entered into the CAD, from what I understand. If what LGLHOOK said is true (I haven't heard them tell an officer he is showing as someone else) all it takes is an entry into the CAD to clear it up. The open mic thing is a continuous problem, however.
I have noticed that some of the ID's change as the officer changes area. And I really do not know if any of this is going to be the same after rebanding, but trying to fill in holes with this list helps to keep me off the streets and out of trouble. And besides, for me, it's fun to do.
LGLHOOK
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I agree with you qlajlu on the part where an officer would bid out for shift change and get a new assignment, his callsign would change as well. (i.e West Valley "Valley-14" might bid for graveyard and become "Valley-74" but keep the same radio ID's)
The instance I was talking about was in West Valley both a hand-held and a car radio will pop up an officers name. In this particluar instance, the K-9's all got new trucks and so the older trucks became line trucks. One of the trucks went down and so the officer went and picked up and old "line truck" which the radio was showing to the another previous officer. He keyed up to call back in service and she said " be advised you are showing up as Officer XZY on my screen for some reason." He had to let her know he was in a line truck.
The instance I was talking about was in West Valley both a hand-held and a car radio will pop up an officers name. In this particluar instance, the K-9's all got new trucks and so the older trucks became line trucks. One of the trucks went down and so the officer went and picked up and old "line truck" which the radio was showing to the another previous officer. He keyed up to call back in service and she said " be advised you are showing up as Officer XZY on my screen for some reason." He had to let her know he was in a line truck.
Utah_Viper
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There are also certain calls that describe a position, or unit rather then a person. For instance C-20 is the afternoon Sgt. for the SO which could be one of a few deputies (reason it appears a couple times with different numbers possibly) There are other ones, but i don not know them all offhand.
I think what you guys are saying is true sometimes, but the vast majority of the time, I find that officers use the same Callsign on the radio and have the same Radio ID. While some departments may assign a Callsign based on location (beat) which could change each day, I don't see that a lot across the valley. Regardless the Radio ID would stay the same.
I have also copied dispatchers saying "you are showing as XXX on my screen". This usually only happens when a loaner car is being used.
I have also copied dispatchers saying "you are showing as XXX on my screen". This usually only happens when a loaner car is being used.
qlajlu
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No one is telling you to stop doing the finite associations with the RIDs, by all means, continue doing that, after all, it keeps gldavis off the streets at night and probably you, too! Actually, I applaud the ambition of you two. Just being able to identify an agency from the RID would have satisfied me because being able to identify the agency from the RID makes putting a name on these rogue TGs that we inevitably have show up to plague us much easier.bneilson said:
Kudos for going above and beyond!
bchris
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UniTrunker is COOL!
Last night I saw this thread talking about some 'unitrunker thing'. Never heard of it. Looks like it requires a mod on a radio... sure wish I could use one of my old non-trunking radios, if I can still find one... WHAT?... maybe I can?... no way! The radio doesnt even require a com port?...double no way!
How about I try it first on my oldest scanner that I think still works. RS PRO-34... Ahhh the memories....OK, Lets tear this sucker apart.
snip here, tuck there, bit of duct tape, new batteries.... Install UniTrunker.... WAHOOO!!!! IT REALLY WORKS!!! This UniTrunker is AWESOME! Now if I can just figure out what all those funny numbers mean. If I keep finding stuff like this on this forum, I might need to cut back on my depression meds for a while. Merry Christmas in May!
Last night I saw this thread talking about some 'unitrunker thing'. Never heard of it. Looks like it requires a mod on a radio... sure wish I could use one of my old non-trunking radios, if I can still find one... WHAT?... maybe I can?... no way! The radio doesnt even require a com port?...double no way!
How about I try it first on my oldest scanner that I think still works. RS PRO-34... Ahhh the memories....OK, Lets tear this sucker apart.
snip here, tuck there, bit of duct tape, new batteries.... Install UniTrunker.... WAHOOO!!!! IT REALLY WORKS!!! This UniTrunker is AWESOME! Now if I can just figure out what all those funny numbers mean. If I keep finding stuff like this on this forum, I might need to cut back on my depression meds for a while. Merry Christmas in May!
Utah_Viper
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bchris said:
LOL!! I can tell that its going to be fun having you on board here. Yeah UT is a great tool. I dont have it yet, but will sometime soon I think. Amazing how those old scanners can still be given a new life eh?
qlajlu
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What is better is to know that you don't need to reinvent the wheel. Like I said in my post welcoming you to our forum, we have a purpose, and what is more is that this is going on in every single state of the Union and more.bchris said:
We have a couple of masters with UniTrunker here. gldavis and bneilson are two who have a mastery of the UniTrunker and they have amassed data about radio IDs and TGs that will knock your socks off.
The man that wrote the UniTrunker program is a member of the RR.com forums albeit in another state, but he will answer any questions you have about the program.
Stick around bchris, I think life is just becoming interesting again for you.
Hey bchris if you want to PM me your email address I will ZIP up my unitrunker files and send them over.
The files will provide you with the talkgroup names that we have identified as well as the Radio IDs we have ID.
The files will provide you with the talkgroup names that we have identified as well as the Radio IDs we have ID.
So for those that like logging Radio IDs the GRE folks just put out a great update for the PSR-500 and 600 that shows the Radio ID on the screen of the scanner (See attached screen shot).
This means that you can do recon without having to drag Unitrunker with you. Simply log them on paper and then enter them later into the software.
Getting these IDs is addicting...
This means that you can do recon without having to drag Unitrunker with you. Simply log them on paper and then enter them later into the software.
Getting these IDs is addicting...
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Radio Id's
These id's are the ones listed with the TGid right? If so are they consistent with the trooper/officers that use them or do they randomly change? And can we eventually submit them to the Database?
These id's are the ones listed with the TGid right? If so are they consistent with the trooper/officers that use them or do they randomly change? And can we eventually submit them to the Database?
The radio id is just that the ID of the Radio. Dont confuse them with a callsign.
While an individual PD unit may change their callsign based on their assignment (some departments change and some dont) the radio ID is linked to the physical radio.
Think of the radio ID like a serial number. Usually the only time it would change is when the person gets a new physical radio.
While an individual PD unit may change their callsign based on their assignment (some departments change and some dont) the radio ID is linked to the physical radio.
Think of the radio ID like a serial number. Usually the only time it would change is when the person gets a new physical radio.
Radio id numbers
-Tim
Lindsay does not like the idea of adding individual radio ids to the DB. For groups seeking this level of detail he suggested creating Wiki pages, but he doesn't want any names of users listed. Such information would be hard to manage anyway. But if it's discovered that there's systematic order to the radio ids (i.e. a given agency having ids that begin with the same number) then a list of those would be helpful in a Wiki.
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