RadioReference Receives a DMCA Takedown Notice from Priority Dispatch Corp.

[gary123]

Stuck in the 50's. What is sad is he is not the only person in a position of authority who has absolutely no idea what he is doing.

 

[DualReverse]

Having worked with CAD and public safety communications for many years, my opinion is that info doesn't look like anything that would be given over the air; that looks more like something that's specific to the CAD product in question and not generally given over the air. It's way too detailed and complex for the typical 911 dispatching situation, and determining that level of detail on an emergency call would delay dispatch.

I'm also curious about "National Academy of Emergency Dispatch." That would seem to imply something that's standards-based, and if I recall correctly, copyright is limited on a public standard.

But never with ProQA, NAED, or IAED.

 

[millrad]

Priority Dispatch operates an expensive, difficult to use system of querying callers in medical, fire and police emergencies. It's one of several competing systems, but the most popular and elaborate. In theory, it's supposed to allow immediate dispatch on the most life threatening calls and a tiered response to all other calls. The question pathways are so complex, that dispatchers can become lost or confused in the process. Agencies using Priority are also required to run quality assurance reviews to ensure that call takers are within the "compliance" guidelines and following the scripts verbatim. Dispatchers have to pass a recertification test every two years for each of the three disciplines of questions, medical, fire and police. if I had a nickel for every time a caller became upset and said "Just send the %**@ ambulance! I'm not answering your ^*##* questions!

 

[902]

Stuck in the 50's. What is sad is he is not the only person in a position of authority who has absolutely no idea what he is doing.

It was a gag, Gary. That was in one of the issues of the EMS Flatline, published every April Fool's Day for Y-E-A-R-S (at least 38 starting back in the HHC days).

 

[902]

But never with ProQA, NAED, or IAED.

I think their methodology and determinants were the copyrighted material, but the function was in response to NHTSA guidelines. There could probably be an argument over the intellectual property rights of the actual EMD function, itself. When we first adopted MPDS, we didn't transmit the determinants. They were just statistical groupings in our original configuration.

 

[rvacs]

@blantonl - Sorry if I am coming into this blind.
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If you are forced to shut down - would it just be "their" content or the whole Radio Reference Site?
I know there are several Applications "BUTEL" maybe even Sentinel or Whistler's Software - that pull info from the RR site for their databases.
I can't imagine not being able to update our scanners.

I have been using this site for years to keep updating our content. Before RR it was ugly with Police Calls / FCC Database purchases etc.

This makes me sad... I hope everything will be ok!!

 

[N1XDS]

@blantonl - Sorry if I am coming into this blind.
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If you are forced to shut down - would it just be "their" content or the whole Radio Reference Site?
I know there are several Applications "BUTEL" maybe even Sentinel or Whistler's Software - that pull info from the RR site for their databases.
I can't imagine not being able to update our scanners.

I have been using this site for years to keep updating our content. Before RR it was ugly with Police Calls / FCC Database purchases etc.

This makes me sad... I hope everything will be ok!!

I would think but it's a guess only be their information only instead shutting down the whole Radio Reference website it'll have to be up to them and Lindsay and team to work out all the details and etc but I could be wrong. Maybe Lindsay when he has a chance to talk about more about it.

 

[MDScanFan]

If you have not done so already, then I suggest rereading the first post of this thread. In that post it pretty clear that the topic at hand is a wiki page with particular content. Not the entirety of the RR. It will be okay

@blantonl - Sorry if I am coming into this blind.
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If you are forced to shut down - would it just be "their" content or the whole Radio Reference Site?
I know there are several Applications "BUTEL" maybe even Sentinel or Whistler's Software - that pull info from the RR site for their databases.
I can't imagine not being able to update our scanners.

I have been using this site for years to keep updating our content. Before RR it was ugly with Police Calls / FCC Database purchases etc.

This makes me sad... I hope everything will be ok!!

 

[KK4JUG]

@blantonl - Sorry if I am coming into this blind.
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If you are forced to shut down - would it just be "their" content or the whole Radio Reference Site?

Not to worry. There are several people in this forum who think they can do it better than Blantoni. I'm sure they'll come forward.

 

[blantonl]

Not to worry. There are several people in this forum who think they can do it better than Blantoni. I'm sure they'll come forward.

Boy isn’t that the truth!

 

[Blackink]

This is how you take those clowns on.... Put em up.....

 

[batdude]

I am not in the PS / radio / fire / police / scanner industry. At all.

Zero.

But. Reviewing that stupid, 4+ page list of "codes" - is quite simply the most ignorant and stupid thing I've seen written in an attempt to clarify PS comms. Last I heard - maybe I'm being obtuse here - is that there was a healthy push to get away from the code mentality altogether and just use english.

XXYYZZ HOSPITAL - THIS IS MED ALERT UNIT # 6128321ZAX

We are inbound with a 38yo Whiskey Mike who is code 91-Delta-4-Papa-Xray

ETA 10 mikes

hospital: oh, he's got the cramps.

check.

#ignorant

doug

 

[mmckenna]

Last I heard - maybe I'm being obtuse here - is that there was a healthy push to get away from the code mentality altogether and just use english.

But they haven't figured out a way to make money off plain English. So, we get stupid stuff like this.

 

[PrivatelyJeff]

I am not in the PS / radio / fire / police / scanner industry. At all.

Zero.

But. Reviewing that stupid, 4+ page list of "codes" - is quite simply the most ignorant and stupid thing I've seen written in an attempt to clarify PS comms. Last I heard - maybe I'm being obtuse here - is that there was a healthy push to get away from the code mentality altogether and just use english.

XXYYZZ HOSPITAL - THIS IS MED ALERT UNIT # 6128321ZAX

We are inbound with a 38yo Whiskey Mike who is code 91-Delta-4-Papa-Xray

ETA 10 mikes

hospital: oh, he's got the cramps.

check.

#ignorant

doug

Field crews nor hospitals use them. They are just used by dispatch systems to identify they type of call for dispatch priority and statistical records. Hospitals get a whole different type of call in, usually just ETA, simple vitals and nature of call.

 

[12dbsinad]

I am not in the PS / radio / fire / police / scanner industry. At all.

Zero.

But. Reviewing that stupid, 4+ page list of "codes" - is quite simply the most ignorant and stupid thing I've seen written in an attempt to clarify PS comms. Last I heard - maybe I'm being obtuse here - is that there was a healthy push to get away from the code mentality altogether and just use english.

XXYYZZ HOSPITAL - THIS IS MED ALERT UNIT # 6128321ZAX

We are inbound with a 38yo Whiskey Mike who is code 91-Delta-4-Papa-Xray

ETA 10 mikes

hospital: oh, he's got the cramps.

check.

#ignorant

doug

If there is something I've learned in the Fire/EMS industry for 40 years it is this: Let's take a scenario and make it as complicated as possible all while speading boat loads of money doing it.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

If there is something I've learned in the Fire/EMS industry for 40 years it is this: Let's take a scenario and make it as complicated as possible all while speading boat loads of money doing it.

It is "other peoples money" so why not!

 

[jlinko]

If there is something I've learned in the Fire/EMS industry for 40 years it is this: Let's take a scenario and make it as complicated as possible all while speading boat loads of money doing it.

Exactly. I've worked with Dr. Clawson's system most of my career - the IAED magazine contacted me a couple of years ago wanting to interview me because I had the lowest certification number of any active EMD using their system. I respectfully declined.

Clawson's principles are sound, and his system is proven to save lives. Along with some common sense improvements over the decades, it has also become overkill. The level of complexity, among other things, is attractive to managers and administrators who see a standard, protocol-based system and mandatory certification as a pathway to reduction in liability exposure - all at a premium price.
IAED / PRC also pushes for model legislation and regulatory changes that make a system like theirs mandatory in many states.

 

[Randyk4661]

If there is something I've learned in the Fire/EMS industry for 40 years it is this: Let's take a scenario and make it as complicated as possible all while speading boat loads of money doing it.

I think that's business in general.

Let's make everything as compliccated as possible.

 

[INDY72]

No thats LEGAL of business. Business are meant to be simple. Create a product for a demand, or create a demand for your product idea. Sell that product for a profit. Period. Along comes legal. Now you have to have ten regulations per an action to be sure you cover your azz for every possibility that could be insured and covered in a courtroom. Now this makes business twenty times harder to implement thus making profits even harder. While systems like this prey on legal fears and thus are insurance monsters to make profits off your fears so you lose bigger and bigger chunks of your profits.

 

[tkenny53]

If you copied and pasted said information, word for word in excat content, yeah, thats a no no. Gene Hughes used to do a similar trick in his data to find the copycats..
So you should be able put the data, that is not in the exact form they use, and still show it. if it is public data, then there cant be a copyright issue.