San Angelo new P25 system

[TexScan780D]

It looks like for most of those P25 TGIDs the last 3 digits is the same as the decimal TGID on the EDACS system. From what I have read TGIDs in the 65000-65535 range are dynamically assigned temporary patches. The TGID will be different each time they patch something.

I cannot speak for the San Angelo system, but for the Midland system and both are Harris systems as well as Lubbock by Daily Wells. Nd5y is correct, they just add 42000 and 43000 to the old EDACS talk-group numbers. The 65000 talk-group numbers are temporary patches, in Midland they are city dispatch majority, if not all, dispatching the area VFD.

 

[motorola_otaku]

The 65000 talk-group numbers are temporary patches, in Midland they are city dispatch majority, if not all, dispatching the area VFD.

Something to note for Harris System-Assigned IDs (SAIDs) that applies to EDACS and P25: they are used for console multi-select AND patching. The reason you hear them used so often for VFD dispatching is that the dispatcher will select a handful of groups to dispatch the call, hit the tones, then voice the call and break down the multi-select. The process can also be automated with a single button click, or even done by CAD automatically so all the dispatcher has to do is voice the call.

 

[Ensnared]

Adding Numbers

I cannot speak for the San Angelo system, but for the Midland system and both are Harris systems as well as Lubbock by Daily Wells. Nd5y is correct, they just add 42000 and 43000 to the old EDACS talk-group numbers. The 65000 talk-group numbers are temporary patches, in Midland they are city dispatch majority, if not all, dispatching the area VFD.

Interesting you should say this. I have a similar situation here in Bell County where we have a EDACS system moving to a Harris system, using the same exact frequencies.

Here, you find the new talk groups for P25 by adding 50 for old analog talk groups and 5 for those that are digital. I have successfully transformed this system to the P25 system. I am hearing the types of activity that should be associated with the talk groups, but I cannot verify without seeing a unit in operation or actually hearing said agency identify themselves.

However, when I submitted this formula to transform these EDACS-generated talk groups, it was rejected for RR DB submission.

You may be in a similar situation as Bell County. I hope that someone comes up with a way to submit using what appears to be a mathematical calculation. I don't know, just guessing.

 

[wb5nbq]

I did check with the Chief, he said the same, decision for encryption for officer safety. He did also say that they gave the media the option to buy radios to receive channel 1. I don't know if this indicates that channel 1 should be open... I believe it is still encrypted, or if the media radios receive only channel 1 encrypted. I don't know anyone with the media to ask.

 

[KG5HHS]

I had an opportunity to speak with an SAPD supervisor about this system yesterday. He said they have completely moved over to the new system. I asked about encryption and he said the primary reason was officer safety (no surprise) due to people being able to monitor them via streaming apps. He actually made some good points during the discussion, but then, I'm not the person they are worried about.

Let me just start out by saying I completely understand officer safety! I am not one bit trying to imply that there isn't a risk or danger to what they do. The minute I heard an officer say "I think they are listening on a scanner app" on the feed I used to host, I no longer streamed anything BUT the DISPATCH channel! However, I do not agree or see where officer safety is a concern on a DISPATCH channel. In a smaller city/county where all operations are ran on just one channel, I can see. San Angelo is not that way! There is a separate talk group for Dispatch, a separate talk group for TCIC/NCIC checks, two separate talk around talk groups, plus dedicated talk groups for SWAT, CID, Lake Patrol, so on and so on. If officer safety was such an issue, why wasnt dispatch provoice on the old system? I understand that provoice can be monitored now but that happend just recently. I could go on and on about this but I wont. I'm just saying I don't agree with the reasoning... That is just my opinion.

 

[Ensnared]

Again, no officers were hurt in this ordeal, without one bit of encryption: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLeIvCPBe-I&list=UUNrECeKU51SHEGP8Z3wQlRw&index=25

I can stand, flat-footed, and refute every single reason they have to encrypt. Officer safety? This seems to be the National Party Line.

Gosh, it seems as though LE does not like streaming? I wonder if the stream hosts are seeing the writing on the wall?

If one could guarantee that no streaming would be occurring in Tom Greene County, would LE turn the E off? I seriously doubt it. So, if this is presented as an option, resubmitted to the powers that be, would they find some common sense and allow dispatch and some less sensitive talk groups.

This would be a very easy option. Ask the feed to take it down. I would be happy to pay their fees if that is why they have a stream up. It would also likely prove that the Chief has engaged in prevarication. Streaming is not likely the reason they have thrown the switch.

From what I've gathered, Waco has significant crimes with an open police department. They only encrypt Narcotics & SWAT. I believe we have a larger population as well. Oh, and they have a very novel approach to HIPPA & EMS. They don't give names!

Again, I consider myself to be very fortunate because I would move out of a city that had no scanner action. At night, I routinely listen to Street Crimes working on several different channels. Guess what? These street crime units are fully open & clear for all to hear. However, they are not being streamed over the air.

Good luck.

 

[n0xvz]

Heard a snippet of a conversation on the new system yesterday. TG 43075 in the clear and definitely Phase 1 (I can't RX Phase 2). I didn't hear enough of the conversation to figure out what that TGs use was.

 

[KG5HHS]

Heard a snippet of a conversation on the new system yesterday. TG 43075 in the clear and definitely Phase 1 (I can't RX Phase 2). I didn't hear enough of the conversation to figure out what that TGs use was.

I've heard bits and pieces on that talk group as well. Maybe the new "AntiCrime" PD unit?

 

[n0xvz]

I've heard bits and pieces on that talk group as well. Maybe the new "AntiCrime" PD unit?

Heard another snippet today. Sounded like code enforcement or building inspectors. Something along those lines.

 

[n0xvz]

Heard another snippet today. Sounded like code enforcement or building inspectors. Something along those lines.

I heard more conversation on TG 43075. I think it might be part of the Water Department.