SDRTrunk how many dongles do i need for P25 Phase 2?

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I have a single RTL-SDR dongle and Was wanting to run SDRTrunk. I setup my single dongle with SDRTrunk and also had my SDS100 scanner tuned to the same system (MSWIN in Mississippi) and noticed on SDRTrunk I was missing a lot of the traffic. Is this because im only using a single dongle? Could someone fill me in on how many dongles I need to effectly monitor the MSWIN P25 Phase 2 system? I think its 769-775 MHz

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I have a single RTL-SDR dongle and Was wanting to run SDRTrunk. I setup my single dongle with SDRTrunk and also had my SDS100 scanner tuned to the same system (MSWIN in Mississippi) and noticed on SDRTrunk I was missing a lot of the traffic. Is this because im only using a single dongle? Could someone fill me in on how many dongles I need to effectly monitor the MSWIN P25 Phase 2 system? I think its 769-775 MHz

Any and all advice would be appreciated
I'm interested to see the answer to this as well. I just received my RTL-SDR today.
 

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You will need one or two additional dongles to cover the 6 MHz frequency spread, depending on the exact site that you wish to monitor - can you tell us the site?
 

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I have a single RTL-SDR dongle and Was wanting to run SDRTrunk. I setup my single dongle with SDRTrunk and also had my SDS100 scanner tuned to the same system (MSWIN in Mississippi) and noticed on SDRTrunk I was missing a lot of the traffic. Is this because im only using a single dongle? Could someone fill me in on how many dongles I need to effectly monitor the MSWIN P25 Phase 2 system? I think its 769-775 MHz

Any and all advice would be appreciated
My opinion and it may differ from others however I think you need at least 2. One to monitor the control channel and one for voice channels. I have 3 in my set up and I have seen 1 dongle record 6 talk groups and rarely use the 3rd dongle BUT it does use the 3rd one on occasion.
 

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I'm in the same boat as OP. I just got mine today. I'm also listening to MSWIN on West Lamar Site (047). My frequency range is from 854.3125 to 857.4375. So a 3.125 spread. Sounds like I will need 2 as well.
 

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I'm in the same boat as OP. I just got mine today. I'm also listening to MSWIN on West Lamar Site (047). My frequency range is from 854.3125 to 857.4375. So a 3.125 spread. Sounds like I will need 2 as well.
Go to the tuner tab while it is running. When it says locked it will also have a number next to it. If it goes over 4 I would get another dongle.
 

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Go to the tuner tab while it is running. When it says locked it will also have a number next to it. If it goes over 4 I would get another dongle.
What does the 4 / the number indicate?
 

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What does the 4 / the number indicate?
Just a generic number in my system, I have seen 5 and even 6 but just to have the extra capacity I have an extra. I wouldn't have known I needed the extra if I didn't have it. lol
 

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The important metrics are the frequency spread of the site, and the band width of the SDR. If the frequency spread (the difference between the highest and lowest site frequency) is greater than ~2.4 MHz, you will need at least two and possibly three RTL-SDRs - or one Airspy SDR since its band width is ~10 MHz (~6 MHz for a mini). Some of the mixed 700 / 800 MHz sites on the MSWIN system would require four RTL-SDRs.
 

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Mississippi MSWIN - North Carrollton site. To my knowledge it’s just one control channel
You will need two RTL type SDRs to monitor that site since the frequency spread is ~2.68 MHz. There are three channels that could possibly be used as control channels, but only one will be active at a time. The other two would function as traffic channels.
 

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The frequency range of the North Carrollton site is 771.13125 - 773.81875. This is 2.68750Mhz. This exceeds the 2.4Mhz bandwidth provided by one RTL-SDR dongle. 2 dongles wound be recommended to monitor the North Carrollton site.

3 (3)009 (9)North CarrolltonCarroll771.13125771.50625773.31875c773.56875c773.81875c
 

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The frequency range of the North Carrollton site is 771.13125 - 773.81875. This is 2.68750Mhz. This exceeds the 2.4Mhz bandwidth provided by one RTL-SDR dongle. 2 dongles wound be recommended to monitor the North Carrollton site.

3 (3)009 (9)North CarrolltonCarroll771.13125771.50625773.31875c773.56875c773.81875c
Thanks for the information. I just ordered a second dongle
 

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Go to the tuner tab while it is running. When it says locked it will also have a number next to it. If it goes over 4 I would get another dongle.

What does the 4 / the number indicate?

Just a generic number in my system, I have seen 5 and even 6 but just to have the extra capacity I have an extra. I wouldn't have known I needed the extra if I didn't have it. lol

So a generic number told you that you needed more dongles? Can you explain the working principle?





The number that shows locked in the tuners tab represents the number of freqs the dongle is actively seeing depending on if its a single channel or a trunked system.

If you start one NBFM freq, the number will remain at one while there is signal and not change at until you lose signal or start another channel or system in the range the dongle covers. If your just monitoring the one freq it would never display anything higher than 1.

If your on a trunked system, with good signal, it will always say one, because its locked on the control channel. Then each time a tg you have selected to listen or record becomes active on a voice freq in the system, the number will go up. It relates to "Max Traffic Channels. If yours is set to 3 traffic channels, your locked value will never exceed 4. 1 cc and 3 active voice channels. This is all based on one dongle.

When it shows 1 locked

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its because it's just sitting on the cc with no active active voice channels.

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Sdrtrunk wiki

  • Channels indicates how many channels are being sourced from the tuner. A value of 0 (UNLOCKED) will be displayed when the tuner is not sourcing any channels. A non-zero value, for example: 1 (LOCKED), indicates the number of channels being sourced from the tuner. The LOCKED label indicates that the tuner editor's frequency and sample rate controls are locked and cannot be changed by the user until all of the decoding channels being sourced by the tuner have been stopped.

SDRs are capable of sourcing many radio channels simultaneously, limited only by the bandwidth (ie sample rate) of the SDR and the supported frequency range(s). sdrtrunk manages SDRs as a pooled set of resources. When the application allocates new radio traffic channels, it simply iterates through the set of SDRs until it finds an SDR that is capable of tuning the requested channel frequency.



I am running 2 dongles on 3 systems and each system is set to 10 Max Traffic Channels. So in essence I can record 30 tg's at once. Might be taxing on an older pc. It totally bogs down my 12 year old win 7.

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North Carrollton site is 771.13125 - 773.81875. This is 2.68750Mhz. This exceeds the 2.4Mhz bandwidth provided by one RTL-SDR dongle. 2 dongles wound be recommended to monitor the North Carrollton site.

A single Airspy mini would work on that also. Not sure about other dongles and their sample rates but I do go over the 2.4 limit on a site that spans 2.4375. My NooElec running @ 2.56 handles it just fine.
 

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The OP mentioned that he was missing traffic with one SDR, so it's pretty clear he needs another - which he has ordered. Hopefully he will report back with updated results.
 

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Also, in his original topic heading, the OP asks "how many dongles do i need for P25 Phase 2?" The number of dongles is irrelevant to receive P25 Phase 2 as that is handled by software. The number of dongles required is determined by the channel spread of the site - in general, the larger the spread, the greater the hardware bandwidth requirement. The available bandwidth is increased by adding additional hardware, either another RTL type SDR or by replacing the original SDR with a higher bandwidth Airspy SDR (or SDRPlay.)
 

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My county is a mixed bag we have P25, Analog, and DMR.. the DMR is a single site... So I know I need 2 dongles for the P25 but my question is will one additional for DMR and one additional for analog work? Can these all be served on one feed to broadcastify? How does that work when you mix site types (analog, digital etc)
 
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