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519 is equivalent to 8304 on the SmartZone system: FDNY 6B Ops

Remember to either multiply the P25 TGID by 16 to get the SmartZone equivalent, or divide the SmartZone TGID by 16 to get the P25 equivalent. This only applies where the talkgroups are directly linked between systems.
 

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I don't understand why TG 12727 is tagged as USCG Sector NY, clearly it was a rebroadcast of Marine Channel 16 and not specific to USCG Sector NY.
 

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I don't understand why TG 12727 is tagged as USCG Sector NY, clearly it was a rebroadcast of Marine Channel 16 and not specific to USCG Sector NY.
Because that's what was submitted; if you have better info, submit it.
 

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What would I hear on channel 22? If it’s boarding vessels and stuff then yes
Things to consider, which would add more talkgroups for the USCG around 12727:
- Coast Guard maintains an emergency watch on VHF 16
- Coast Guard working channels are 21, 22, 23, 81, 82 & 83 (last three used by the USCG Auxiliary)
Cross reference to this chart U.S. VHF Channel Information
 

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Well, the newly added Marine Channel 16 link (talkgroup 12727) has gone quiet since 1800 yesterday. :(
If there is a system op monitoring this thread, can you please re-enable the talkgroup. Thank You much and have a great holiday weekend. :D While you are at it, also enable the Channel 22 talkgroup 12729. Thanks again!
 

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Well, the newly added Marine Channel 16 link (talkgroup 12727) has gone quiet since 1800 yesterday. :(
If there is a system op monitoring this thread, can you please re-enable the talkgroup. Thank You much and have a great holiday weekend. :D While you are at it, also enable the Channel 22 talkgroup 12729. Thanks again!
It is likely because no unit is presently affiliated with the TG, not the Sysop turning things on and off. If no subscriber units affiliated with a TG, no reason to broadcast linked audio with no one listening. This is common practice on any trunked system.
 

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It is likely because no unit is presently affiliated with the TG, not the Sysop turning things on and off. If no subscriber units affiliated with a TG, no reason to broadcast linked audio with no one listening. This is common practice on any trunked system.
Well actually in this case, it is not a user affiliated talkgroup. It is an audio patch from a standalone VHF receiver. Just "rebroadcasting" the audio from Channel 16. Nothing to do with affiliation, being there is no system users of the talkgroup. Probably used by Sector New York CG to have a portable long range receive of Ch.16 while in the field. Was nice to hear all the way down to Cape May NJ with Sector Delaware Bay coming in as well as Station Manasquan and Sector Long Island Sound ect...
The other talkgroup for Channel 22 was active for maybe a few days and also vanished and since hasn't shown up on my loggings for several weeks.
 

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Well actually in this case, it is not a user affiliated talkgroup. It is an audio patch from a standalone VHF receiver. Just "rebroadcasting" the audio from Channel 16. Nothing to do with affiliation, being there is no system users of the talkgroup. Probably used by Sector New York CG to have a portable long range receive of Ch.16 while in the field. Was nice to hear all the way down to Cape May NJ with Sector Delaware Bay coming in as well as Station Manasquan and Sector Long Island Sound ect...
The other talkgroup for Channel 22 was active for maybe a few days and also vanished and since hasn't shown up on my loggings for several weeks.
There still needs to be a subscriber on the P25 side of things affiliated with the talkgroup in order for it to be active on the system. Either that, or the system admin needs to specifically "force" the talkgroup to broadcast even if no subscribers are affiliated. Has nothing to do with what sort of patch is in place.
 

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There still needs to be a subscriber on the P25 side of things affiliated with the talkgroup in order for it to be active on the system. Either that, or the system admin needs to specifically "force" the talkgroup to broadcast even if no subscribers are affiliated. Has nothing to do with what sort of patch is in place.
Yes, I was hoping for the sys admin to step up, lol. But I still don't get it. How does a user affiliate with it if it is only an audio patch. I never actually heard anyone using the talkgroup directly. Just the muffled audio all the time as I actually hear it at the same time on Ch. 16
 

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Yes, I was hoping for the sys admin to step up, lol. But I still don't get it. How does a user affiliate with it if it is only an audio patch. I never actually heard anyone using the talkgroup directly. Just the muffled audio all the time as I actually hear it at the same time on Ch. 16
The term "affiliate" simply means that a trunked system radio (subscriber) is parked on a particular talkgroup at a particular site (for multi-site systems). The system is aware of what every single subscriber is doing at any given time, and so as soon as an affiliation takes place, the talkgroup is deemed "active" and channel resources will be available. You can setup this type of patch so that it's receive-only on the trunked side, so that a subscriber can park on the talkgroup to monitor.

I don't know exactly how DoITT setup these patches, so I can't speak to specifics. If they are using a console patch between a VHF resource and the trunked system, then that doesn't count as an "affiliation", and so no audio will be passed to the trunked system. Either a subscriber would need to affiliate to make the talkgroup "live", or DoITT would need to setup the talkgroup to be active with or without any affiliations.

And of course the simplest answer could be that they simply knocked the patch/link down, and it's not a full time thing.

Barring getting an official answer from DoITT (unlikely), one could also run Unitrunker on the site/cell in question and check for subscriber affiliations with these talkgroups. That would paint a clearer picture of what is going on.
 

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The term "affiliate" simply means that a trunked system radio (subscriber) is parked on a particular talkgroup at a particular site (for multi-site systems). The system is aware of what every single subscriber is doing at any given time, and so as soon as an affiliation takes place, the talkgroup is deemed "active" and channel resources will be available. You can setup this type of patch so that it's receive-only on the trunked side, so that a subscriber can park on the talkgroup to monitor.

I don't know exactly how DoITT setup these patches, so I can't speak to specifics. If they are using a console patch between a VHF resource and the trunked system, then that doesn't count as an "affiliation", and so no audio will be passed to the trunked system. Either a subscriber would need to affiliate to make the talkgroup "live", or DoITT would need to setup the talkgroup to be active with or without any affiliations.

And of course the simplest answer could be that they simply knocked the patch/link down, and it's not a full time thing.

Barring getting an official answer from DoITT (unlikely), one could also run Unitrunker on the site/cell in question and check for subscriber affiliations with these talkgroups. That would paint a clearer picture of what is going on.
Thank You for the clarification on this. I have a feeling they setup the talkgroup to be active regardless of affiliation because it was 24/7 for the past couple of months. But who knows. But it was fun while it lasted. I still hear another Ch.16/22 UHF repeater from Eaton Neck and the Cape Cod Ch.16 Towboat US repeater on the RDC Network 178 NXDN system RDC Communications - Scan New England Wiki
Maybe it will come back up in the spring. :D
 

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Many , many new talkgroups being tested / keyed up in the past couple days. Mostly on the 700mhz. system. I wonder what is coming over? Corrections came over recently on the 400 system.
What talkgroup numbers have you seen on the system being tested?
 

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I have caught quite a few on the system in the last weeks. The ones that seem to be confirmed with high confidence are:

850 - ACS Police
851 - ACS Transportation
757 - DOH POD
767 - DOH Special Operations Base
768 - DOH EOC Base?
6253 - Dept of Homeless Services
6257 - Dept of Homeless Services
7400 - ID as Citywide 1
7402 - Seems to be Dept of Buildings
8101 - 8106 - FDNY Special Events - only active on 12/31 during the last two years
10500 - Seems to be Dept of Corrections SOD
10504 - Patch from Dept of Corrections Transportation Base
10507 - Seems to be Dept of Corrections ESU


Unknown users that I am still yet to figure out
738 - (Analog side on 800 is 11808) - Talks about various locations for bag pick ups, etc.
588 - Unknown agency calling watch command.
601 - Unknown agency, reference to central.
717 - Unknown agency, reference to Sergeant and officers.
11976, 11977 - Surveillance - Unknown User
Everything between 12xxx - 12xxx, except 12727 are encrypted with unknown user.
 

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I was hearing some on the P25 system today in the 10###, a few were encrypted, a few weren't. Couldn't make out what agencies they could've been unfortunately.

Unknown users that I am still yet to figure out
588 - Unknown agency calling watch command.
601 - Unknown agency, reference to central.
717 - Unknown agency, reference to Sergeant and officers.

I've been thinking those ones calling central are Sheriff, 588 must be OEM Alert unless you've only heard one agency report in
 

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Some great catches guys--- thanks for sharing. Will have to open my ears extra wide for those.
 

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On the 800 MHz, 13760 sounds like either OEM Alert or OEM Executive
 
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