Searching For New/Unknown NYCICN/ DOITT Talkgroups

weathermedic

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I heard from a source who is actively involved with the FDNY radio system infrastructure that the division repeaters will be encrypted, but the actual fireground point to point transmissions will not be. Meaning if you are at the scene of a fire and can listen to the handie talkie frequency you should be able to hear transmissions but if you are monitoring the repeated broadcast, it will be encrypted. Time will tell.
 

GTR8000

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FDNY fireground comms are simplex analog, which are not and will not be encrypted. The rebroadcast on the trunked system is merely taking that analog audio and digitizing it, which is infinitely easier to encrypt. I'm not even sure why this is a discussion, as it's very straightforward.
 

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I see some talkgroup shuffling probably due to more radios are rolled out, some of the previously identified talkgroups are now silent and the same traffic is heard on a new block of talkgroups.

For example: Talkgroup 544 (SmartZone Analog TG 8704) for OCME Patrol is now on 8725. Had to lock them out because they are basically non-stop.
 

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Been noticing a lot of encrypted talkgroups on P25, 12641 and 12647 are ones I just saw
 
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n2nov

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these TG's active: 1604,8725,11976,12100,12640,738,599, 12735,7912,12768, 7909,8727,7911,801, 618, 514
Below are my best guesses:
1604 - NYCEM COMMAND (NOT REGULAR DISPATCHING)
8725 - OCME SECURITY PATROLS
11976 - INVESTIGATORS
12100 - ? HOSPITALS
12640 - FDNY ENCRYPTED
738 - ? OCME, BODYBAGS, TRUCK ROCKAWAYS
599 - ? OCME BODYBAGS
12735 - FDNY ENCRYPTED
7912 - ? DEP
12768 - FDNY ENCRYPTED
7909 - ? DEP
8727 - ? OCME
7911 - ? DEP
801 - NYCEM
618 - NYC OFF. TRANSPORT SVCS (DCAS)
514 - INVESTIGATORS
 

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I have been using Pro96Com and my TRX-1 to watch the datastream and affiliations over the past few days. The following data dumps of the three known sites (30, 31 & 60) suggest that there may be changes needing to be made to the RR database listings. For example, I do not see any 700 Mhz frequencies listed and I see changes in both of the UHF sites 30 & 31. Comments/confirmations are welcome.

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 3A8
System Name : New York City DoITT (P25)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-30
Tower Number (Hex) : T011E
Tower Description : UHF Site 30
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : WQFH243
Timestamp : Sat Jul 24 07:41:38 2021

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,480.00625,0.00625,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,480.00625,0.01250,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"04-0334","d",482.09375,"04-0334",485.09375,0,0
"04-0338","d",482.11875,"04-0338",0.00000,0,0
"04-0518","c",483.24375,"04-0518",486.24375,0,0
"04-0536","a",483.35625,"04-0536",486.35625,0,0
"04-0538","a",483.36875,"04-0538",486.36875,0,0
"04-0542","c",483.39375,"04-0542",486.39375,0,0
"04-0558","a",483.49375,"04-0558",486.49375,0,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
160,"T013C",3a8,"00-0957",856.98750,"700/800 Simulcast"

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FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 3A8
System Name : New York City DoITT (P25)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-31
Tower Number (Hex) : T011F
Tower Description : UHF Site 31
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : WQFH243
Timestamp : Sat Jul 24 09:35:17 2021

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,480.00625,0.00625,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,480.00625,0.01250,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0529","d",854.31250,"00-0529",0.00000,0,0
"00-0949","d",856.93750,"00-0949",0.00000,0,0
"00-0957","c",856.98750,"00-0957",0.00000,0,0
"00-1509","d",860.43750,"00-1509",0.00000,0,0
"04-0334","d",482.09375,"04-0334",0.00000,0,0
"04-0338","d",482.11875,"04-0338",0.00000,0,0
"04-0340","d",482.13125,"04-0340",0.00000,0,0
"04-0342","d",482.14375,"04-0342",0.00000,0,0
"04-0344","d",482.15625,"04-0344",0.00000,0,0
"04-0370","d",482.31875,"04-0370",0.00000,0,0
"04-0472","i",482.95625,"04-0472",0.00000,0,7
"04-0518","c",483.24375,"04-0518",0.00000,0,0
"04-0542","c",483.39375,"04-0542",486.39375,0,0
"04-0556","ad",483.48125,"04-0556",486.48125,0,0
"05-0334","v",482.09375/0,"05-0334",485.09375/0,0,1
"05-0335","v",482.09375/1,"05-0335",485.09375/1,0,2
"05-0338","v",482.11875/0,"05-0338",485.11875/0,0,3
"05-0339","v",482.11875/1,"05-0339",485.11875/1,0,3
"05-0340","v",482.13125/0,"05-0340",485.13125/0,0,1
"05-0341","v",482.13125/1,"05-0341",485.13125/1,0,1
"05-0342","v",482.14375/0,"05-0342",485.14375/0,0,2
"05-0343","v",482.14375/1,"05-0343",485.14375/1,0,1
"05-0344","v",482.15625/0,"05-0344",485.15625/0,0,1
"05-0345","v",482.15625/1,"05-0345",485.15625/1,0,2
"05-0370","v",482.31875/0,"05-0370",485.31875/0,0,2
"05-0371","v",482.31875/1,"05-0371",485.31875/1,0,2
"05-0517","v",483.23125/1,"05-0517",486.23125/1,0,2

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FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 3A8
System Name : New York City DoITT (P25)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-60
Tower Number (Hex) : T013C
Tower Description : 700/800 Simulcast
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : KNER623 WPTZ779
Timestamp : Sat Jul 24 09:24:43 2021

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,480.00625,0.00625,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,480.00625,0.01250,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0529","vd",854.31250,"00-0529",0.00000,0,5
"00-0549","i",854.43750,"00-0549",0.00000,0,5
"00-0949","vd",856.93750,"00-0949",811.93750,0,4
"00-0957","c",856.98750,"00-0957",811.98750,0,0
"00-1109","a",857.93750,"00-1109",812.93750,0,0
"00-1117","d",857.98750,"00-1117",0.00000,0,0
"00-1277","d",858.98750,"00-1277",0.00000,0,0
"00-1429","a",859.93750,"00-1429",814.93750,0,0
"00-1437","vd",859.98750,"00-1437",0.00000,0,1
"00-1509","d",860.43750,"00-1509",0.00000,0,0
"00-1557","a",860.73750,"00-1557",815.73750,0,0
"00-1597","i",860.98750,"00-1597",0.00000,0,4
"02-0528","v",854.31250/0,"02-0528",0.00000/0,0,40
"02-0529","v",854.31250/1,"02-0529",809.31250/1,0,46
"02-0948","v",856.93750/0,"02-0948",0.00000/0,0,21
"02-0949","v",856.93750/1,"02-0949",0.00000/1,0,20
"02-1116","v",857.98750/0,"02-1116",812.98750/0,0,34
"02-1117","v",857.98750/1,"02-1117",812.98750/1,0,35
"02-1276","v",858.98750/0,"02-1276",813.98750/0,0,45
"02-1277","v",858.98750/1,"02-1277",0.00000/1,0,42
"02-1436","v",859.98750/0,"02-1436",0.00000/0,0,29
"02-1437","v",859.98750/1,"02-1437",0.00000/1,0,29
"02-1508","v",860.43750/0,"02-1508",0.00000/0,0,29
"02-1509","v",860.43750/1,"02-1509",815.43750/1,0,27

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
130,"T011E",3a8,"04-0518",483.24375,"UHF Site 30"
 

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I have been using Pro96Com and my TRX-1 to watch the datastream and affiliations over the past few days. The following data dumps of the three known sites (30, 31 & 60) suggest that there may be changes needing to be made to the RR database listings. For example, I do not see any 700 Mhz frequencies listed and I see changes in both of the UHF sites 30 & 31. Comments/confirmations are welcome.
It was reported a while ago that the 700 frequencies are no longer in use on Site 60, now that the 800 SmartZone system is shut down, they migrated many of those frequencies over to the ASTRO 25 system.

As for the rest of your data from Pro96Com, I see quite a bit of data corruption there. The 800 frequencies listed for Site 31 are obviously invalid, and I also see a lot of the Site 30 frequencies listed under Site 31. Site 31 carries almost no traffic yet, so I would suggest that you clear out those files and start fresh, making sure not to change sites on the scanner while logging, otherwise you risk corrupting your data again.

I'm listening live to Site 30 and 31, and all of the traffic is on Site 30 with the correct frequencies already listed in the database. I don't see any changes required at this point.
 

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It was reported a while ago that the 700 frequencies are no longer in use on Site 60, now that the 800 SmartZone system is shut down, they migrated many of those frequencies over to the ASTRO 25 system.

As for the rest of your data from Pro96Com, I see quite a bit of data corruption there. The 800 frequencies listed for Site 31 are obviously invalid, and I also see a lot of the Site 30 frequencies listed under Site 31. Site 31 carries almost no traffic yet, so I would suggest that you clear out those files and start fresh, making sure not to change sites on the scanner while logging, otherwise you risk corrupting your data again.

I'm listening live to Site 30 and 31, and all of the traffic is on Site 30 with the correct frequencies already listed in the database. I don't see any changes required at this point.
I still see the 700 Mhz frequencies in the database.

RFSSSiteNameFreqs
1 (1)030 (1E)UHF Simulcast482.08125482.09375482.11875482.13125482.14375482.15625482.31875483.23125
483.24375c483.35625a483.36875a483.49375a
1 (1)031 (1F)UHF Site 31482.95625482.96875483.39375c483.48125a
1 (1)060 (3C)700/800 Simulcast769.68125769.95625772.31875772.61875773.78125774.06875774.34375854.3125
854.4375856.4375856.9375856.9875c857.4375857.9375a857.9875858.4375
858.9375858.9875859.4375859.9375a859.9875860.4375860.7375a860.9375
860.9875
 

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I still see the 700 Mhz frequencies in the database.
They're not doing any harm there for the time being, as none are flagged as control capable. I have a reliable source keeping an eye on the site to confirm that the 700 frequencies are no longer in use now that the SmartZone system is decommissioned, and was planning on removing them in the near future.

My bigger concern is all the data corruption you have showing in your Pro96Com dump. I've been scanning the two UHF cells for the past 40 minutes, and all traffic is on Site 30 using the frequencies that are already in the database for that site.
 

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Nearly 5 hours later, hundreds of hits on Site 30, 0 on Site 31. The only frequencies in use on Site 30 are those already noted in the RRDB.

I've removed the 700 MHz frequencies from Site 60, but that's the only change to the sites required at this time.
 
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