Searching For New/Unknown NYCICN/ DOITT Talkgroups

[weathermedic]

I heard from a source who is actively involved with the FDNY radio system infrastructure that the division repeaters will be encrypted, but the actual fireground point to point transmissions will not be. Meaning if you are at the scene of a fire and can listen to the handie talkie frequency you should be able to hear transmissions but if you are monitoring the repeated broadcast, it will be encrypted. Time will tell.

 

[GTR8000]

FDNY fireground comms are simplex analog, which are not and will not be encrypted. The rebroadcast on the trunked system is merely taking that analog audio and digitizing it, which is infinitely easier to encrypt. I'm not even sure why this is a discussion, as it's very straightforward.

 

[CqDx]

I see some talkgroup shuffling probably due to more radios are rolled out, some of the previously identified talkgroups are now silent and the same traffic is heard on a new block of talkgroups.

For example: Talkgroup 544 (SmartZone Analog TG 8704) for OCME Patrol is now on 8725. Had to lock them out because they are basically non-stop.

 

[Tank67]

Been noticing a lot of encrypted talkgroups on P25, 12641 and 12647 are ones I just saw

 

[n2nov]

Been noticing a lot of encrypted talkgroups on P25, 12641 and 12647 are ones I just saw

FDNY relay of fireground from various divisions.

 

[richee2000]

P25 TG 12734 Is Marine ch 16 Patch

 

[n2nov]

P25 TG 12734 Is Marine ch 16 Patch

It seems like they moved down the list from TG 12727

 

[Tank67]

Lets use this thread to discuss unknown talk groups.

7912, it sounds like DEP Police, but uncertain

 

[richee2000]

these TG's active: 1604,8725,11976,12100,12640,738,599, 12735,7912,12768, 7909,8727,7911,801, 618, 514

 

[n2nov]

these TG's active: 1604,8725,11976,12100,12640,738,599, 12735,7912,12768, 7909,8727,7911,801, 618, 514

Below are my best guesses:
1604 - NYCEM COMMAND (NOT REGULAR DISPATCHING)
8725 - OCME SECURITY PATROLS
11976 - INVESTIGATORS
12100 - ? HOSPITALS
12640 - FDNY ENCRYPTED
738 - ? OCME, BODYBAGS, TRUCK ROCKAWAYS
599 - ? OCME BODYBAGS
12735 - FDNY ENCRYPTED
7912 - ? DEP
12768 - FDNY ENCRYPTED
7909 - ? DEP
8727 - ? OCME
7911 - ? DEP
801 - NYCEM
618 - NYC OFF. TRANSPORT SVCS (DCAS)
514 - INVESTIGATORS

 

[n2nov]

I have been using Pro96Com and my TRX-1 to watch the datastream and affiliations over the past few days. The following data dumps of the three known sites (30, 31 & 60) suggest that there may be changes needing to be made to the RR database listings. For example, I do not see any 700 Mhz frequencies listed and I see changes in both of the UHF sites 30 & 31. Comments/confirmations are welcome.

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 3A8
System Name : New York City DoITT (P25)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-30
Tower Number (Hex) : T011E
Tower Description : UHF Site 30
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : WQFH243
Timestamp : Sat Jul 24 07:41:38 2021

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,480.00625,0.00625,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,480.00625,0.01250,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"04-0334","d",482.09375,"04-0334",485.09375,0,0
"04-0338","d",482.11875,"04-0338",0.00000,0,0
"04-0518","c",483.24375,"04-0518",486.24375,0,0
"04-0536","a",483.35625,"04-0536",486.35625,0,0
"04-0538","a",483.36875,"04-0538",486.36875,0,0
"04-0542","c",483.39375,"04-0542",486.39375,0,0
"04-0558","a",483.49375,"04-0558",486.49375,0,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
160,"T013C",3a8,"00-0957",856.98750,"700/800 Simulcast"

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FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 3A8
System Name : New York City DoITT (P25)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-31
Tower Number (Hex) : T011F
Tower Description : UHF Site 31
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : WQFH243
Timestamp : Sat Jul 24 09:35:17 2021

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,480.00625,0.00625,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,480.00625,0.01250,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0529","d",854.31250,"00-0529",0.00000,0,0
"00-0949","d",856.93750,"00-0949",0.00000,0,0
"00-0957","c",856.98750,"00-0957",0.00000,0,0
"00-1509","d",860.43750,"00-1509",0.00000,0,0
"04-0334","d",482.09375,"04-0334",0.00000,0,0
"04-0338","d",482.11875,"04-0338",0.00000,0,0
"04-0340","d",482.13125,"04-0340",0.00000,0,0
"04-0342","d",482.14375,"04-0342",0.00000,0,0
"04-0344","d",482.15625,"04-0344",0.00000,0,0
"04-0370","d",482.31875,"04-0370",0.00000,0,0
"04-0472","i",482.95625,"04-0472",0.00000,0,7
"04-0518","c",483.24375,"04-0518",0.00000,0,0
"04-0542","c",483.39375,"04-0542",486.39375,0,0
"04-0556","ad",483.48125,"04-0556",486.48125,0,0
"05-0334","v",482.09375/0,"05-0334",485.09375/0,0,1
"05-0335","v",482.09375/1,"05-0335",485.09375/1,0,2
"05-0338","v",482.11875/0,"05-0338",485.11875/0,0,3
"05-0339","v",482.11875/1,"05-0339",485.11875/1,0,3
"05-0340","v",482.13125/0,"05-0340",485.13125/0,0,1
"05-0341","v",482.13125/1,"05-0341",485.13125/1,0,1
"05-0342","v",482.14375/0,"05-0342",485.14375/0,0,2
"05-0343","v",482.14375/1,"05-0343",485.14375/1,0,1
"05-0344","v",482.15625/0,"05-0344",485.15625/0,0,1
"05-0345","v",482.15625/1,"05-0345",485.15625/1,0,2
"05-0370","v",482.31875/0,"05-0370",485.31875/0,0,2
"05-0371","v",482.31875/1,"05-0371",485.31875/1,0,2
"05-0517","v",483.23125/1,"05-0517",486.23125/1,0,2

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FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 3A8
System Name : New York City DoITT (P25)
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-60
Tower Number (Hex) : T013C
Tower Description : 700/800 Simulcast
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : KNER623 WPTZ779
Timestamp : Sat Jul 24 09:24:43 2021

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,480.00625,0.00625,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,480.00625,0.01250,3.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0529","vd",854.31250,"00-0529",0.00000,0,5
"00-0549","i",854.43750,"00-0549",0.00000,0,5
"00-0949","vd",856.93750,"00-0949",811.93750,0,4
"00-0957","c",856.98750,"00-0957",811.98750,0,0
"00-1109","a",857.93750,"00-1109",812.93750,0,0
"00-1117","d",857.98750,"00-1117",0.00000,0,0
"00-1277","d",858.98750,"00-1277",0.00000,0,0
"00-1429","a",859.93750,"00-1429",814.93750,0,0
"00-1437","vd",859.98750,"00-1437",0.00000,0,1
"00-1509","d",860.43750,"00-1509",0.00000,0,0
"00-1557","a",860.73750,"00-1557",815.73750,0,0
"00-1597","i",860.98750,"00-1597",0.00000,0,4
"02-0528","v",854.31250/0,"02-0528",0.00000/0,0,40
"02-0529","v",854.31250/1,"02-0529",809.31250/1,0,46
"02-0948","v",856.93750/0,"02-0948",0.00000/0,0,21
"02-0949","v",856.93750/1,"02-0949",0.00000/1,0,20
"02-1116","v",857.98750/0,"02-1116",812.98750/0,0,34
"02-1117","v",857.98750/1,"02-1117",812.98750/1,0,35
"02-1276","v",858.98750/0,"02-1276",813.98750/0,0,45
"02-1277","v",858.98750/1,"02-1277",0.00000/1,0,42
"02-1436","v",859.98750/0,"02-1436",0.00000/0,0,29
"02-1437","v",859.98750/1,"02-1437",0.00000/1,0,29
"02-1508","v",860.43750/0,"02-1508",0.00000/0,0,29
"02-1509","v",860.43750/1,"02-1509",815.43750/1,0,27

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
130,"T011E",3a8,"04-0518",483.24375,"UHF Site 30"

 

[GTR8000]

I have been using Pro96Com and my TRX-1 to watch the datastream and affiliations over the past few days. The following data dumps of the three known sites (30, 31 & 60) suggest that there may be changes needing to be made to the RR database listings. For example, I do not see any 700 Mhz frequencies listed and I see changes in both of the UHF sites 30 & 31. Comments/confirmations are welcome.

It was reported a while ago that the 700 frequencies are no longer in use on Site 60, now that the 800 SmartZone system is shut down, they migrated many of those frequencies over to the ASTRO 25 system.

As for the rest of your data from Pro96Com, I see quite a bit of data corruption there. The 800 frequencies listed for Site 31 are obviously invalid, and I also see a lot of the Site 30 frequencies listed under Site 31. Site 31 carries almost no traffic yet, so I would suggest that you clear out those files and start fresh, making sure not to change sites on the scanner while logging, otherwise you risk corrupting your data again.

I'm listening live to Site 30 and 31, and all of the traffic is on Site 30 with the correct frequencies already listed in the database. I don't see any changes required at this point.

 

[n2nov]

It was reported a while ago that the 700 frequencies are no longer in use on Site 60, now that the 800 SmartZone system is shut down, they migrated many of those frequencies over to the ASTRO 25 system.

As for the rest of your data from Pro96Com, I see quite a bit of data corruption there. The 800 frequencies listed for Site 31 are obviously invalid, and I also see a lot of the Site 30 frequencies listed under Site 31. Site 31 carries almost no traffic yet, so I would suggest that you clear out those files and start fresh, making sure not to change sites on the scanner while logging, otherwise you risk corrupting your data again.

I'm listening live to Site 30 and 31, and all of the traffic is on Site 30 with the correct frequencies already listed in the database. I don't see any changes required at this point.

I still see the 700 Mhz frequencies in the database.

RFSS	Site	Name	Freqs
1 (1)	030 (1E)	UHF Simulcast	482.08125	482.09375	482.11875	482.13125	482.14375	482.15625	482.31875	483.23125
			483.24375c	483.35625a	483.36875a	483.49375a
1 (1)	031 (1F)	UHF Site 31	482.95625	482.96875	483.39375c	483.48125a
1 (1)	060 (3C)	700/800 Simulcast	769.68125	769.95625	772.31875	772.61875	773.78125	774.06875	774.34375	854.3125
			854.4375	856.4375	856.9375	856.9875c	857.4375	857.9375a	857.9875	858.4375
			858.9375	858.9875	859.4375	859.9375a	859.9875	860.4375	860.7375a	860.9375
			860.9875

 

[GTR8000]

I still see the 700 Mhz frequencies in the database.

They're not doing any harm there for the time being, as none are flagged as control capable. I have a reliable source keeping an eye on the site to confirm that the 700 frequencies are no longer in use now that the SmartZone system is decommissioned, and was planning on removing them in the near future.

My bigger concern is all the data corruption you have showing in your Pro96Com dump. I've been scanning the two UHF cells for the past 40 minutes, and all traffic is on Site 30 using the frequencies that are already in the database for that site.

 

[GTR8000]

All Site 30, all TDMA...not a peep on Site 31. 🤷‍♂️

 

[GTR8000]

Nearly 5 hours later, hundreds of hits on Site 30, 0 on Site 31. The only frequencies in use on Site 30 are those already noted in the RRDB.

I've removed the 700 MHz frequencies from Site 60, but that's the only change to the sites required at this time.

 

[IFRIED91]

anything regarding the DMNA channels that JTES uses? I’m air national guard myself and surprised they didn’t go with the metro-25 system instead as it provides MUCH wider coverage all the way from the city to Latham where the DMNA headquarters are located…. From what my buddies tell me PABT always loans out a Harris XL200P to the soldiers/airman on post AND State Police… they are not giving out the encryption key to ANY cooperating agencies even if they use the same break room 🤣 🤣

 

[n2nov]

Logging over the past few weeks has shown ranges for unit IDs as follows (additions/changes welcome):

Radio ID Groups
17xxx CUNY Security
58xxx ACS
59xxx DCAS
100xxx TLC
101xxx TLC
104xxx NYCEM
105xxx NYCEM
118xxx DOB
138xxx Nursing Homes
146xxx DCAS
150xxx OCME
151xxx OCME
152xxx NYCHA
154xxx NYCSO
288xxx DEP
334xxx ACS
739xxx GNYHA
1104xxx NYCEM
1118xxx DPR
1143xxx DOC
1144xxx DOC
1147xxx DOC
1158xxx DOT
1178xxx FDNY
1179xxx FDNY
1180xxx FDNY
1181xxx FDNY
1182xxx FDNY
1183xxx FDNY
1184xxx FDNY
1185xxx FDNY
1186xxx FDNY
1187xxx FDNY
1188xxx FDNY
1189xxx FDNY
1190xxx FDNY
1191xxx FDNY
1192xxx FDNY
1193xxx FDNY
1194xxx FDNY
1195xxx FDNY
1196xxx FDNY
1197xxx FDNY
1198xxx FDNY
1199xxx FDNY
1200xxx FDNY
1201xxx FDNY
1692xxx DSNY
1693xxx DSNY
1694xxx DSNY
1695xxx DSNY
1696xxx DSNY
1697xxx DSNY
1698xxx DSNY
1699xxx DSNY
2203xxx HHC
3600xxx DHS

 

[CqDx]

1191xxx - 1201xxx are EMS related. For several weeks couple months ago, EMS NOTIFY was patched to 12948. Now that the analog system is gone and the P25 talkgroup remains, it is fairly high confidence that 12948 is the new EMS NOTIFY talkgroup

 

[rr60]

All Site 30, all TDMA...not a peep on Site 31. QUOTE]

@GTR8000 decided to program this up. Decided to look at CC strength on the (3) sites.

Site 30 clearly the winner, Site 60 CC just above noise floor for me.

I did however notice an oddity on CC for 31. I see two spikes. Site 30 is in this picture (on right) looks normal. “Not a peep on 31”. Ideas?