SIRN

[fredva]

I think I'd be doing audio recordings and logging transmissions to see if what the county IT Director is saying is true, out of curiosity if nothing else. Dispatching the state police on the dispatch talk group doesn't count - that is just one agency.

 

[kc8iqz]

Why so much activism from you guys? What do you hope to gain from this?

The more the pot gets stirred, the more these agencies will just keep using encryption.

My questioning was just asking for information which this guy freely gave. I wasn't interesting in challenging him but just getting data. I thanked him for his responses.

 

[BM82557]

Fyi - TG 1108 on the Berkeley County site shows up as Alg=ADP encryption, radio ids are 1100xx --

 

[atlong]

Hmm...I've never heard of or seen an xx08 TG on the SIRN system in the eastern panhandle. That's interesting. I'm not seeing it on anything I'm monitoring here in Jefferson County (yet).

 

[lebrunmn]

I was just about to comment that Hampshire Co. Sheriff is set up similarly:

1307 is main Sheriff Dispatch
1308 is the Sheriff Secure

 

[WestphalHose5]

All Berkeley County Fire and EMS Departments have encrypted their private talk groups recentl.

 

[BM82557]

All Berkeley County Fire and EMS Departments have encrypted their private talk groups recentl.

I've been noticing that, encryption for them is ADP not AES 256 as the BCSO is using.

 

[atlong]

AES256 encryption is just ridiculous overkill. You'd think they were worried the Chinese and Russians were planning an invasion of the county.

 

[OpSec]

AES256 encryption is just ridiculous overkill. You'd think they were worried the Chinese and Russians were planning an invasion of the county.

It's been a P25 standard for years now and is a requirement in certain radio grants if encryption is to be used.

 

[AK9R]

A reminder to all that offers to buy or sell goods are to be posted in the Classifieds section of the site.

 

[mike_s104]

Seeing encrypted traffic on TG 1106 on the Martinsburg site.

 

[firemantom26]

December news letter.

https://sirn.wv.gov/siec/2021siecminutes/Documents/12%20-%20December%202021.pdf

 

[mtindor]

No doubt due to the whining in here (and maybe somebody whining to SIRN directly), the Dec 2021 SIRN newsletter says:

Berkeley County Sheriff’s use of PTAC – As long as an agency is using their dispatch
channel for normal traffic, then there is not a policy violation if they take other traffic to
an encrypted channel.

 

[lebrunmn]

No doubt due to the whining in here (and maybe somebody whining to SIRN directly),

If you re-read your post, don't you think that might be just a bit unkind?

 

[atlong]

They're not using their dispatch channel for normal traffic. Whose definition of normal are they using? IMO, normal traffic is about 99% gone from their dispatch channel. I guess just using it for major announcements counts as normal? I'm confused on how this is not a blatant violation fo SIRN's own policies.

"Berkeley County Sheriff’s use of PTAC – As long as an agency is using their dispatch
channel for normal traffic, then there is not a policy violation if they take other traffic to
an encrypted channel."

 

[mike_s104]

If you re-read your post, don't you think that might be just a bit unkind?

He's taking a jab at me and I don't really care what he thinks or says. He has his opinions and feelings about things as he should.

I'm a citizen of WV and Berkeley Co. so I don't think it's uncalled for or out of line (or whatever he thinks) to inquire or ask about. I feel that what I did was better than b*tching and moaning about something and never doing anything about it.

 

[mike_s104]

Seeing encrypted traffic on TG 1106 on the Martinsburg site.

Looks like some of the RIDs are for BCSO.

 

[n3obl]

They're not using their dispatch channel for normal traffic. Whose definition of normal are they using? IMO, normal traffic is about 99% gone from their dispatch channel. I guess just using it for major announcements counts as normal? I'm confused on how this is not a blatant violation fo SIRN's own policies.

As I stated earlier. If people want to keep complaining, Im sure they will oblige with changing policy. Obviously the powers to be in that county have decided to mainly encrypt police calls and I see more of that happening.

 

[mtindor]

We have a submission from a user suggesting that ALL of the talkgroups listed below are now encrypted. However, based upon this thread it sure sounds like the Dispatch channel is not encrypted but simply not used for much anymore with traffic being diverted to TAC channels after initial dispatch.

1107    453    D    BrklyCo SO    Sheriff - Dispatch     Law Dispatch 
1117    45d    D    BrklyCo MuPD    Municipal Police - Countywide     Law Talk 
1141    475    D    BrklyCo SOT1    Sheriff - Tactical Ch. 1     Law Tac 
1143    477    D    BrklyCo SOT2    Sheriff - Tactical Ch. 2     Law Tac 
1144    478    DE    BrklyCo SOT3    Sheriff - Private Tactical - Ch. 3

Is there anybody on here who is able to confirm without a doubt that 1117 / 1141 / 1143/ 1143 are all ENC 100% of the time? And that 1107 is never ENC but simply is not carrying much traffic anymore?

Mike

 

[atlong]

Mike,

Using Pro-96 monitoring software on the Berkeley and Jefferson County sites since December 10, 2021 I've found the following:

1) I've not logged an encrypted transmission on TG1107. It only carries announcements from dispatcher, no radio traffic between County units and dispatcher. There were a few occasions where I recorded state police units communicating to the Berkeley dispatchers, but that seems to have tapered off since the Holidays have passed.
2) ALL communications on TG1141 are encrypted. No logs indicate since 12/10/2021 that an in-the-clear transmission has occurred.
3) County Law enforcement traffic is also occurring on TG1106 and TG1108 which appears 100% encrypted all of the time. Their use is unknown so far.
4) I cannot confirm TG's 1117, 1143, 1141 are full-time encryption. It appears so at this time, but I have no concrete logs to prove it. There's just not enough traffic on them.
5) Martinsburg PD traffic is not encrypted so far. TG1109.
6) All Berkeley County Fire Private Company channels are encrypted all of the time for several months now.