Nope the State's Moto System is off the air.
SLERS switchover date, May 2006
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what do you mean the states moto is off the air?
n4voxgill
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What part of off don't you understand. It is gone, never to be used again, being disassembled and will be sold for pieces parts. It was replaced by a system owned by macom.
ButchGone
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I am curious as a newcomer to the Florida thread and Ma/Com stuff. Is it true the state does not actually own the system but leases it? Or if they own, how much did it cost?
And does the Ma/Com system allow interops with other local agencies analog and P16/P25 stuff? I read Wakulla County Sheriff's Office is on the system...does it allow for mutual aid comms with say, Tallahassee and Leon County that's Motorola?
Thanks!
BG
I am curious as a newcomer to the Florida thread and Ma/Com stuff. Is it true the state does not actually own the system but leases it? Or if they own, how much did it cost?
And does the Ma/Com system allow interops with other local agencies analog and P16/P25 stuff? I read Wakulla County Sheriff's Office is on the system...does it allow for mutual aid comms with say, Tallahassee and Leon County that's Motorola?
Thanks!
BG
you mean as in the "state of florida"? ahh ok you are only talking about law enforcement.. i thought you were talking about all moto systems as in fire and such..
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n4voxgill
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message #1 tells you this is the state radio system. Messsage 19 has a list of the agencies that are on it. It includes law enforcement, fire and many other types of agencies.
N4DES
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ButchGone said:
The State does not own the system and they have turned over the management rights of the physical sites (towers, buildings, & land) to M/A Com. M/A Com can lease to other parties space on the towers and at the sites and they get a cut of the revenue generated.
To my knowledge the radios are not flashed for P25 and interop. among the Moto Smartnet/SmartZone is sporadic around the state as "some" of the officers were allowed to keep their Moto portables if they had other systems programmed into them.
well i know for sure our fire isnt going to that.. we are staying on the mot 2..
n4voxgill
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pinellasfirefighter said:
Did you look at message #19? Pinellas is not listed, so none of the county agencies are on the system that is being discussed.
WX4JCW
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Apopka,Alachua county(Gainesville) that i know of, Orange County Eventually but the havent thrown the switch
ButchGone
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Mark, KS4VT, thank you for your response. You answered my questions. Again, as a newcomer to Floridas' discussion group (I'm in Tennessee) and to Ma/Com stuff, I want to learn as much as possible about how Ma/Com is working out. I appreciate the help!
Since you mention that Florida does not own this system and has turned management of the sites and system to Ma/Com, what is the benifit of a state spending so many millions on this type of system? It sounds like they could have just leased space on a commerical system and not spent so much money. Didn't they already build out a Moto system prior?
In Georgia, the State Patrol tried the SouthernLink 800MHz system (same as Nextel) and ditched it fairly quickly. The problem was coverage, and frequent busy signals (BONKS!) Since SouthernLink also leased space/usage to commercial entities, utilities and such the system would get busy. (Just like Nextel does at times) Bad for public safety!
If the "Florida" Ma/Com system is also shared with commerical users, do you not run the risk of public safety getting "busy signals" when the system is overwhelmed? Or perhaps the TDMA format helps with this?
Now in Georgia they are building out a 'GEWIN' Motorola system true P25. Several counties in the metro Atlanta area have opted to go Ma/Com and there are serious questions about interops.
Again, just curious, dont wanna start flames or such.
Thanks, BG
Mark, KS4VT, thank you for your response. You answered my questions. Again, as a newcomer to Floridas' discussion group (I'm in Tennessee) and to Ma/Com stuff, I want to learn as much as possible about how Ma/Com is working out. I appreciate the help!
Since you mention that Florida does not own this system and has turned management of the sites and system to Ma/Com, what is the benifit of a state spending so many millions on this type of system? It sounds like they could have just leased space on a commerical system and not spent so much money. Didn't they already build out a Moto system prior?
In Georgia, the State Patrol tried the SouthernLink 800MHz system (same as Nextel) and ditched it fairly quickly. The problem was coverage, and frequent busy signals (BONKS!) Since SouthernLink also leased space/usage to commercial entities, utilities and such the system would get busy. (Just like Nextel does at times) Bad for public safety!
If the "Florida" Ma/Com system is also shared with commerical users, do you not run the risk of public safety getting "busy signals" when the system is overwhelmed? Or perhaps the TDMA format helps with this?
Now in Georgia they are building out a 'GEWIN' Motorola system true P25. Several counties in the metro Atlanta area have opted to go Ma/Com and there are serious questions about interops.
Again, just curious, dont wanna start flames or such.
Thanks, BG
N4DES
Retired 0598 Czar ÆS Ø
Butch,
No problem, as I'm always happy to advise. Of course anything I post about another system other than mine is either speculation or what I have read on their "official" website.
As to why the state did this, it was a pretty simple migration to Privatization. By the state doing this, not only did they remove the maintenance/management requirements of the tower sites, they were also able to remove a large number of jobs in Tallahassee along with all the other related emlpoyee expenses.
Jeb has did this in a lot of departments around the state during his tenure, so having an unfinished Motorola system that was being built out by state employees was a basis for his decision on who should manage the radio infrastructure.
Mark
No problem, as I'm always happy to advise. Of course anything I post about another system other than mine is either speculation or what I have read on their "official" website.
As to why the state did this, it was a pretty simple migration to Privatization. By the state doing this, not only did they remove the maintenance/management requirements of the tower sites, they were also able to remove a large number of jobs in Tallahassee along with all the other related emlpoyee expenses.
Jeb has did this in a lot of departments around the state during his tenure, so having an unfinished Motorola system that was being built out by state employees was a basis for his decision on who should manage the radio infrastructure.
Mark
Stormchaser_35 said:
You don't mean that the agencies that you listed are switching to the State of Florida M/A-COM system, do you? The Alachua County/Gainsville system is fairly new.
Mozilla
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ButchGone said:
Just to clarify... no one is using the system but the State SLERS members and guest agencies. No commercial entities can use the frequencies or the system. What is being offered to the commerical sides, is tower and shelter space. Ie great locations and being able to collect rent checks from commerical users.
Hello,
I am working on a windows version of etrunk that will decode Extended Addressing (EA) EDACS systems. The EA feature uses a modified over-the-air protocol which results in scanners and etrunk not decoding the control channel.
I suspect that SLERS is using Extended Addressing for at least some of the sites. I would like to get some control channel data dumps from several SLERS sites. The ewdump program is on this thread.
http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20887&page=2
If you have a scanner with a discriminator tap and a computer with a sound card running windows then it should work. Setup is the same as the ewtrunk program.
An alternative is to record the control channel to a wav file. You need to use a scanner with a discriminator tap. Make sure the bandwidth is 15 KHz (FM on a uniden, not NFM).
I only need a minute or two. Zip the file and email it to me. Thanks.
73 Eric
I am working on a windows version of etrunk that will decode Extended Addressing (EA) EDACS systems. The EA feature uses a modified over-the-air protocol which results in scanners and etrunk not decoding the control channel.
I suspect that SLERS is using Extended Addressing for at least some of the sites. I would like to get some control channel data dumps from several SLERS sites. The ewdump program is on this thread.
http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20887&page=2
If you have a scanner with a discriminator tap and a computer with a sound card running windows then it should work. Setup is the same as the ewtrunk program.
An alternative is to record the control channel to a wav file. You need to use a scanner with a discriminator tap. Make sure the bandwidth is 15 KHz (FM on a uniden, not NFM).
I only need a minute or two. Zip the file and email it to me. Thanks.
73 Eric
MIAMI - A digital radio system giving state law enforcement officials the ability to communicate easily throughout Florida during disasters and other emergencies is completed and fully operational, Gov. Jeb Bush said Friday.
The Statewide Law Enforcement Radio System will enable more than 6,500 officials from 17 state agencies to communicate seamlessly throughout 59,000 square miles of Florida and up to 25 miles offshore. Local and federal agencies that have subscribed so far include the Hillsborough and Broward county sheriff's offices, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and investigators from the Social Security Administration
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/breaking_news/15039709.htm
The Statewide Law Enforcement Radio System will enable more than 6,500 officials from 17 state agencies to communicate seamlessly throughout 59,000 square miles of Florida and up to 25 miles offshore. Local and federal agencies that have subscribed so far include the Hillsborough and Broward county sheriff's offices, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and investigators from the Social Security Administration
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/breaking_news/15039709.htm
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gov. jeb bush is a total moron.
yeah - great idea - scrap 20-30million worth of already completed work....
let a foreign company manage your comms.....and load the system with whoever they please....
nevermind the 5k or so employees down in plantation building the radios.....
oh well.
mark my words - this whole debacle will come back to haunt florida.
can't wait for west palm to get their opensky system... HA HA HA HA HA HA
doug
gov. jeb bush is a total moron.
yeah - great idea - scrap 20-30million worth of already completed work....
let a foreign company manage your comms.....and load the system with whoever they please....
nevermind the 5k or so employees down in plantation building the radios.....
oh well.
mark my words - this whole debacle will come back to haunt florida.
can't wait for west palm to get their opensky system... HA HA HA HA HA HA
doug
Ma/com
M/A-COM, Inc., a business unit
of Tyco Electronics and a worldwide leader of critical radio communication
systems, has announced the completion of Florida's Statewide Law
Enforcement Radio System (SLERS), a single, unified radio network that
meets the radio voice communications needs of state law enforcement
officers and agencies throughout the state of Florida. The SLERS system is
the result of a unique public-private partnership between M/A-COM and the
State of Florida to create a coordinated statewide 800 MHz communication
system which enables local and regional public safety agencies to
communicate on a single common network.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-27-2006/0004405213&EDATE=
M/A-COM, Inc., a business unit
of Tyco Electronics and a worldwide leader of critical radio communication
systems, has announced the completion of Florida's Statewide Law
Enforcement Radio System (SLERS), a single, unified radio network that
meets the radio voice communications needs of state law enforcement
officers and agencies throughout the state of Florida. The SLERS system is
the result of a unique public-private partnership between M/A-COM and the
State of Florida to create a coordinated statewide 800 MHz communication
system which enables local and regional public safety agencies to
communicate on a single common network.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-27-2006/0004405213&EDATE=
n4voxgill
Silent Key
the preceding was a paid political announcment
N4DES
Retired 0598 Czar ÆS Ø
Until they get it working correctly I won't be convinced...
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1185
The same problems are happening in South Florida as well and putting officers at risk
according to a Capt. that I know in a State LE agency that will remain nameless. He has his officers carrying the old Motorola radios on 813A which are used when the SOF-M/A Com system doesn't in areas around Palm Beach County. According to him there are a lot of these areas and didn't exist on the previous Motorola SZ system.
I also have a problem with this statement:
"This standardized communications system was tested successfully during the 2004 and 2005 hurricane seasons."
The system was Motorola during the 2004 and 2005 hurricane systems in the affected areas...just a flat out lie.
Way to go Jeb!
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1185
The same problems are happening in South Florida as well and putting officers at risk
according to a Capt. that I know in a State LE agency that will remain nameless. He has his officers carrying the old Motorola radios on 813A which are used when the SOF-M/A Com system doesn't in areas around Palm Beach County. According to him there are a lot of these areas and didn't exist on the previous Motorola SZ system.
I also have a problem with this statement:
"This standardized communications system was tested successfully during the 2004 and 2005 hurricane seasons."
The system was Motorola during the 2004 and 2005 hurricane systems in the affected areas...just a flat out lie.
Way to go Jeb!
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