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[CitationJet]

Re: CCA2447

Hi Alan,

Interesting as this one is showing right now as enroute ZBAA-KADW on one flight tracker with an ETA of
2103Z! I was out at IAD very early this morning and I did not see it. Interesting!

Tony

Not MilAir but interesting..a Chinese B747 lifting off from Dulles...tail B-2447, callsign 2447 w/TRACON

 

[BM82557]

Andrews 05202007

And to finish the sequence started in Mark's post here's a pic of the F-18 crew taxiing by the crowd following their demo

 

[BM82557]

Tbirds using LPRS

Brian what's 'LPRS'? Interestingly MT had these freqs as NBFM and slightly different - were these AM or FM? I would expect AM, of course. These should go over to Milcom to update the list....73s Mike

216.725 & 216.975 were NFM. Sorry about that, should have specified in my post. LPRS is low power radio service. First heard about the Tbirds using it in this post, http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?p=496952&highlight=mugu#post496952 In the post is a link to a complete list of the freqs.

Brian

 

[BM82557]

Activity 05212007

1019 - 1025 -- comms between multiple u/id ac on 238.825, @ 1020 had "19 is at 19000', holding at 300", @ 1025 one of them was talking about PAX River airspace

edit to fix typo

 

[trainman111]

VFA-106 demo FA-18F model rolled by center stage on way to demo..

Mark

And tail of one of our regulars heard here on Milair board... RHODY C-130.
Nice and almost brand new...

I was talking with one of the crew members of the RHODY C-130 and he said they've had it for 6 weeks! That plane was the cleanest military aircraft I think I've ever seen.

 

[DPD1]

That drove me crazy too! As soon as I would try and snap a photo of an aircraft, someone would just have to walk up and take a family picture. And then people would just blatantly walk right in front of you. It was a little bit aggrivating, but I expected it.

It's almost like some sort of weird joke... Wait 10 minutes for an old-timer to get out of the way, and almost to the second he walks out of the frame, you get the mom and dad with the baby stroller walking in... Almost like they choreographed it ahead of time or something. This is the main reason I've pretty much given up on static photos at shows. I've many times spent almost a half hour standing in one spot, waiting for a clear shot... After a while, people start looking at you like you're nuts. The helicopters are the worst... A door open on a helicopter is like putting a sign up that says "15 million dollar jungle gym right here! Bring your kids!" I can't count how many times I've stood right in the door of a heli waiting for the kids to get out so I can get an int. shot, only to have some pushy dad shove his kid right past me like I wasn't even there. I'm all for kids having a good time, but it's kind of ridiculous when somebody let's their two year old kid hog the cockpit for like 20 minutes... They barely even know what it is. Overall, I liked the shows a lot better in the old days, before the promotion companies got involved. Each show was a lot more original, and there was a lot less of the 'extras' that seem to attract the less serious aviation crowd.

I see they slapped the Senior Span/Spur package on the U-2. That's pretty cool.

Dave
http://www.dpdproductions.com
- Featuring the MilTenna Air Band Antennas -

 

[CitationJet]

Iad 05.21.2007

05.21.2007

1017Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - JOSA 437 (C-21A) - deps rwy 30.

1226Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - PAT 551 - lands rwy 1R. Departs rwy 30 @ 1301Z on 128.425.

1400Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - SPAR 030 (C-9C pres. 73-1682) - lands rwy 1R - right over the house so not readable.

1500Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - FLIGHTCHECK 58 (N58 LJ60 FAA) - conducts a touch and go to rwy 1R then full stop rwy 1L.
1503Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - JOSA 605 (C-21A) - on the app to 1L then sidesteps to 1R QSY 120.100.
1509Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - JOSA 463 (C-21A) - lands rwy 1R.
1552Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - JOSA 578 (c-21A) - deps rwy 30

1645Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - SPAR 28 (C-37A 01-0028 310th AS MacDill) - lands rwy 1R.

1701Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - JOSA 463 (C-21A) - deps rwy 30.
1723Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - JOSA 503 (C-21A) - deps rwy 1R QSY Potomac DEP 125.050.

1833Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - SPAR 63 - deps rwy 1R QSY 125.050 then 126.100 for Andrews.
1845Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - NAVY 8E 078 - transiting IAD Class B at Centreville freq. change approved.

1905Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - SPAR 28 (C-37A 01-0028 310th AS MacDill) - deps rwy 30 QSY 126.650.
1948Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - PAT 551 (C-26B) - lands rwy 1L.

2313Z 1201.00 IAD TWR East - PAT 541 (C-12) - vis. app to rwy 1R.

 

[TinEar]

That's the primary reason it was Friday or nothing for me. All of you experienced the "hot button" issue for me that made me stop going to the shows during the public showings. I know I go back quite a way (yeah, old-timer alert!) but back when I was in the Air Force the shows were primarily for the people on base. The public would watch but from off base. We'd sit on the grass just off the side of the flight line (can't do that anymore for "safety" reasons) and watch the performance. I remember a show at Langley with no crowds, plenty of space to stretch out and with free kegs of beer for the guys. Can you imagine that happening in this day and age? You got to go poke around in every plane that showed up. There was no such thing as aircraft parked there just for static displays because it was believed aircraft were for flying and so they flew.What a concept! Every last detail wasn't planned and scripted and I thought they were a lot more fun as a result. But maybe that's just me.

 

[ka3jjz]

216.725 & 216.975 were NFM. Sorry about that, should have specified in my post. LPRS is low power radio service. First heard about the Tbirds using it in this post, http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?p=496952&highlight=mugu#post496952 In the post is a link to a complete list of the freqs.

Brian

Appreciate that, Brian. I'll grab that link and add it to our Wiki so it doesn't get lost. I also want to get a summation of the freqs used at the Andrews show (I'll post it over on that thread) and get that over to Milcom. Those 2 LPRS freqs are different from the ones given at
the MT airshow article, and it should be included in the lists.

73s Mike

 

[bigred10]

2100-2115 single F/A-18 did 2 passes at KNXX
I got to the scanner a few minutes after the second pass and caught him on his way home with the handoffs being 291.7 -> 269.25 -> 354.15
Callsign was ROMAN 41 so I'm wondering if this was the F/A-18 from VFA-106 that was at the Andrews AirShow this past weekend???

 

[Waltz41]

2100-2115 single F/A-18 did 2 passes at KNXX
I got to the scanner a few minutes after the second pass and caught him on his way home with the handoffs being 291.7 -> 269.25 -> 354.15
Callsign was ROMAN 41 so I'm wondering if this was the F/A-18 from VFA-106 that was at the Andrews AirShow this past weekend???

Yeah, I heard it going by...could of swore it was a female pilot as well. I had them talking to WG Tower on 119.6. I didn't catch the callsign, but something else must of came in and landed, because I heard tower telling them to park to the right of transient ramp. At first I thought it was 2 seperate Hornets, but your pick up makes more sense on that. I was completely distracted as the season finale of Heroes was on!

 

[bigred10]

Yeah, I heard it going by...could of swore it was a female pilot as well. I had them talking to WG Tower on 119.6. I didn't catch the callsign, but something else must of came in and landed, because I heard tower telling them to park to the right of transient ramp. At first I thought it was 2 seperate Hornets, but your pick up makes more sense on that. I was completely distracted as the season finale of Heroes was on!

I only heard a male voice talking to Philly and ZDC.
When I was looking out the window hoping it would come by again, I saw another set of lights landing but could barely hear anything. I'm guessing that was a Cessna from the Navy Flying Club or a CAP Flight.

 

[Mark]

Some pics of T-38's at Andrews show.Like last year they always have a boatload of them.
2 from Beale(9th recon wing) ,2 from (14thFW) Columbus and 1 from (49thFW) Holloman AFB and I probably missed some.
Beale T-38's used callsign ROPER 41/42 departing today and CB T-38's usually use callsign POISON though I didn't hear myself.
Never caught the Holloman T-38.
Have a feeling the Beale T-38's shadow the Beale U-2 every airshow it goes but just a theory.

Mark

 

[TinEar]

0410: BRAVE 61/62 flight (F-16, DC-ANG Andrews) airborne from Andrews on a scramble with TRACON...257.2
0410: BRAVE 61/62 flight on ops freq...139.7
0411: BLACKJACK 1 up on ops freq...139.7
This must be part of the scheduled Falcon Virgo exercise that was posted earlier.
0414: BRAVE 61/62 established in Guard Dog CAP...reported to "Potomac"...257.2
0414: BOXER 99 (C-38A, 94-1569, 201st Airlift Squadron DC-ANG Andrews) also up. The press release for the exercise mentioned the 201st would participate.
0420: I can't hear the ground controller but, apparently, they've been told to switch to 257.2 and stay there (for the op or for ATC only wasn't mentioned - but sounds like it's just for ATC)...and do.
0422: BRAVE flight receiving text messages (but didn't say from whom)...139.7
0425: REACH 4061 (C-5B, 84-0061, 436th AW Dover AFB DE) to Dover CP with arrival message...ETA 0850Z, has 61,000 pounds of cargo throughload and 8 pax also going through...requesting 50,000 pounds of fuel, A-2 status for, among other things, #1 comm radio transmitter weak...349.4
There is also a Civil Air Patrol flight over the area at around 3000 feet...registration N864CP, a Cessna 182T
The BOXER C-38A is loitering around 9000 feet.
0430: BRAVE 61/62 also just loitering in the Guard Dog CAP in block 21-25,000 feet...139.7/257.2
Appears everyone is just awaiting the order for the exercise to begin. The airborne assets all appear to be in place.
0432: REACH 4061 mentions to Dover that they'll have two hours of ground time and they'll try to make that work...he's descending for the approach to Dover...currently at 5700 feet (looks like he'll arrive earlier than 0850Z)...349.4
0437: BRAVE 61 requesting heading of 120 degrees and altitude block 10-12,000 feet and would like non-standard formation between them...257.2
0438: BLACKJACK 1 gets the order to headbutt the target south...BRAVE 61 gets the same order...139.7
0439: BRAVE 61 now request altitude block 9-12,000 feet...257.2
No mention of HUNTRESS so far and I can't hear the ground controller so don't know for sure who's controlling this.
0440: BRAVE repeats BRA given to him...099/44/9000 (so it's the BOXER)...139.7
0441: BLACKJACK 1 now calling HUNTRESS which confirms the controller...139.7
0441: BRAVE 62 reports tally TOI...139.7
0441: BRAVE 61 requests use of flares - simulated...approved by HUNTRESS...139.7
0442: BLACKJACK 1 reports tally...139.7
0442: BRAVE 61 reports they have intercepted the TOI and will descend to its altitude (which is now around 6200 feet)...257.2
0443: REACH 4061 with Dover Tower...126.35
0444: BRAVE 61 and 62 report the target is not following them...not following their signal to headbutt....139.7
0444: BLACKJACK 1 reports TOI is a fixed wing...also reports it's not complying...139.7
0446: BRAVE 61 reports they'll reset the CAP...139.7
0446: BRAVE 61 reports to Potomac they'll return to the CAP...257.2
Can we assume the next target will be the Cessna 182T?
0449: BRAVE 61 and 62 report fuel remainders of 4900 and 4200 pounds respectively...139.7
0453: There is a second Civil Air Patrol Cessna 182T involved now or at least flying in the area...registration N636CP. He's at 2200 feet. The N864CP is now climbing up to 5200 feet. The BOXER C-38A is back up to 9200 feet. I didn't hear BLACKJACK 1 say he's landing but that's the usual procedure until the next TOI is declared.
0458: BRAVE 61 tells Potomac that after the next event, BRAVE 62 will RTB and BRAVE 61 will remain in the CAP...257.2

0500: BRAVE 62 reports the "goggs" (NVGs) aren't helping him any longer...apparently too much light around the area...139.7
0502: BRAVE 61 tells Potomac they're looking for the block 5-8,000 feet and they'll stay in a 4-mile-trail...257.2
Next exercise must be a low level - maybe on a low flying Cessna?
0504: BRAVE 61 reports a point out to track 31041 (last target was 31042)...139.7
0504: BRAVE 61 tells HUNTRESS they've been cleared down to 5-8,000 feet...139.7
0506: BLACKJACK 1 back up...139.7
0506: BRAVE 61 reports TOI is a slow mover...BRAVE 62 reports the same....139.7
0508: BLACKJACK 1 repeats his mission is to headbutt the target to the south...139.7
0508: BRAVE 61 reports visual on the TOI...reports slowing...139.7
0510: BRAVE 62 reports tally on the TOI...139.7
0510: BRAVE 61 reports the target as a Cessna 172 (registration says it's a 182T)...139.7
0511: BLACKJACK 1 reports target as N636CP, high wing...says target is not responding...139.7
0512: BRAVE 61 reports unable tail (of the TOI)...139.7
0514: BRAVE 61 requesting simulated use of flares...139.7
0515: BRAVE 61 reports releasing simulated flares...TOI steady on course 340...139.7
Of course, the TOI never responds to headbutts during these exercises. They just go on their merry way.
0516: BRAVE 62 reports simulated use of flares....NOW!....139.7
0518: BRAVE 61 asks HUNTRESS if they should continue trying to headbutt him...139.7
0518: BRAVE 61/62 breaking off...139.7
0519: BRAVE 61 tells Potomac he'd like to send BRAVE 62 back to Andrews for full stop...257.2
0520: BRAVE 62 tells CAPITOL he's about 5 minutes out...139.7
Status of players...BRAVE 61 re-established in Guard Dog CAP, BRAVE 62 heading for runway 1L at Andrews...BOXER 99 still circling at 9200 feet, N636CP at 2200 and N864CP at 5200 feet.
0522: BRAVE 61 tells HUNTRESS he's got about 20 minutes of playtime left...139.7
0525: All is quiet...except for a South African A340, flight SAA 207, tail ZS-SNF descending into Dulles along with the usual UPS and FedEx planes criss-crossing the area as they always do in the middle of the night.
I heard BRAVE 62 tell Potomac he had the field in sight several minutes ago. He didn't seem to use tower freq 349.0 for the landing (unless I just couldn't hear him which would be most unusual) and must have had Potomac vector him in.
0534: BRAVE 61 asks HUNTRESS if they're still running Event 4...then says, "Disregard."...139.7
0536: BRAVE 61 tells HUNTRESS he got a good text message and reports BRA of new target is 331/21/3000...139.7
0537: BRAVE 61 tells Potomac he's got a TOI now at 210/30 and requests altitude 3-5000 feet...257.2
0538: BRAVE 61 tells HUNTRESS he's maintaining the CAP ....says he's got about 5 minutes (of fuel)...139.7
0538: BRAVE 61 tells Potomac he's been told not to go to that TOI and to stay in the CAP...257.2
0539: BRAVE 61 tells HUNTRESS he's RTBing, 2000 pounds of fuel and is A-1...139.7 (repeats the message to Potomac on 257.2...requests visual straight in runway 19L)
0540: BRAVE 61 tells CAPITOL he's on his way home....139.7
0540: KC-10A, 84-0190, 305th AMW McGuire lifting off from McGuire and climbing.
0543: BRAVE 61 to Andrews Tower...8 miles to the northeast for straight in 19L...349.0
0546: BRAVE 61 reports standby gear...4 miles out, gear down, full stop 19L...349.0
And so ends the Falcon Virgo exercise for another night. BLACKJACK 1 is still talking w/HUNTRESS on 139.7 but he's too low for me to be able to copy from here.
0555: HUNTRESS vectoring someone (BLACKJACK 1 perhaps)...139.7 (Can now hear HUNTRESS but not the aircraft he's vectoring.)

0601: One of the Civil Air Patrol flights finally speaks...CAP Flight 9964 (N864CP) landing Andrews...118.4
0603: And the BOXER 99 speaks...with Squadron Ops to report 8 minutes out, Code 1...314.25
0605: BOXER 99 with Andrews Tower for landing...gear down, full stop, cleared to land...118.4

Ref Above: Nice pictures Mark. Professional MilAir listener always gets the tail number in the photo. Good job!

 

[Mateo]

Quick rundown of yesterday's Andrews activity during the 1700-1800 hour:
AIR FORCE 1 (VC-25) landed around 1730L, and a JOSA flight was forced to hold at OTT for 10 or 15 minutes while the ramp freeze worked itself out.
SAM 60403 (C-20 86-0403) arrived 1751.
SAM 1412 (C-37) was not too far behind.
SAM 93 (C-32 99-0003) arrived around 1805.
REACH 179T (C-17, looked like a Charleston), arrived 1815 [assume this was the support equipment - Bush was in Crawford meeting with fantastically-named NATO Head Jaap de Hoop Scheffer]
PACER 13 (C-21A 84-0077) had arrived earlier at Dulles ("We'd like a visual to 1R, full stop" "Uh, pass the request on to the next guy"), and was now mission complete on the way back to Andrews.
SAM 1475 (C-37 in the USA scheme, serial looked like it began with 7 [97-0400??]) departing with a DV-2+2.
and ARMY 1778 (C-37 04-1778) departing out to the west.

Arriving at DCA at 1745 was USCG HU-65 6584 calling BLACKJACK 1, of course.

Also, the annual hurricane season press availability was at DCA yesterday, bringing WC-130J 96-5302, NOAA P-3 42RF, and NOAA G-IV 49RF.

Nothing was out of the ordinary frequency-wise, although the west-origin arrivals to ADW (except for the C-17) were being vectored over DCA, so the handoff sequence was 119.85>124.7>119.3>118.3, instead of going straight from 19.85 to 19.3. I also discovered that you can hear the ground side of Andrews Tower from Memorial Bridge (the one between the Cemetary and the Lincoln Memorial).

 

[CitationJet]

05.22.2007 am

Wouldn't be a morning commute without my NAVY 7C buddies...

05.22.2007 am

1112Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - NAVY 7C 536 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) - 5 mi. final for rwy 32.
1113Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - NAVY 7C 536 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) - 3 miles gear down and locked.

 

[EricCottrell]

Hello,

Thanks for posting the pictures. I need to get down to the Andrews show one year. I did Dayton this year. I was staying over in Fairborn and only got to see a couple of noisy C5s out of Wright-Patterson overhead. Did not get much time to listen to Milair.

AMSAT/TAPR had a joint dinner at the Air Force Museum. We had the run of the museum for a couple of hours. They have some new stuff since the last time I visited a few years ago. One of the interesting aircraft was the B-36 that I seem to remember from a Jimmy Stewart movie. Piston and Jet on the same airframe. They also had a bedspring radar antenna used in Germany during the Berlin Airlift. So much to see, so little time.

73 Eric

 

[wildbillx]

Wondering if anyone has the frequencies for the Millville Airshow this weekend. I will be up there Friday with the FD Crash Truck and need to program a handheld with the air freqs. Thanks

 

[andy3315]

Yeah, I heard it going by...could of swore it was a female pilot as well. I had them talking to WG Tower on 119.6. I didn't catch the callsign, but something else must of came in and landed, because I heard tower telling them to park to the right of transient ramp. At first I thought it was 2 seperate Hornets, but your pick up makes more sense on that. I was completely distracted as the season finale of Heroes was on!

Yes There Was A Female Pilot On Board But She Wasn't Flying The Jet She Was Training A Rookie Pilot Who From The Sound Of It He Sounded Nervous As Hell But From What I Hear His Instructor Is Tuff As Nails LoL Some Of My Friends Know Her LoL So They Gave Me The Low Down, But Anyways I Don't Know If Anyone Had Posted This But Yesterday Afternoon Sluf A Rickenbacker KC-135 Did Some Approaches At The Grove Witch Is A Rear Treat For Us Since All We Do Is See Them From A Distance At 6000ft Since As Are Distance From McGuire Is Not Far.

 

[CitationJet]

05.22.2007 mid-am

Hi,

Just got back in from a quick trip down to DCA. Not much activity as Andrews was closing 01L/19R for construction per this NOTAM, and it sounded as though there were problems with timing the closure:

M0382/07 - RUNWAY 01L/19R CLOSED FOR CONSTRUCTION. ALL ACFT UNABLE TO MEET PCN 39 R/B/W/T RESTRICTIONS TO RWY 01R/19L DUE TO OPERATIONAL CONSTRAINTS RQR A WAIVER (DOES NOT INCLUDE DV OR BASE ASSIGNED ACFT). CTC 316OSS AFLD OPS AT DSN 858-3411X5 OR EMAIL 316OSS.OSA@ANDREWS.AF.MIL. THIS WAIVER REQUEST DOES NOT SATISFY AMC/A3 WAIVER RQRS TO OPR AT GROSS WTS > 50% ABOVE THE PUBLISHED WT BEARING CAP IAW AMCI 11-208. 22 MAY 14:05 2007 UNTIL 13 JUL 21:00 2007

1520Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - JEDI 30 (C-17A 305TH AMW McGuire) - requesting an estimate for field reopening. 10 min. limit on hold and if we can't sneak in, we will have to divert.
1525Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - working UNID a/c on the ground with fuel uplift and tail #128.
1544Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VENUS 40 (C-37A 97-0400 99th AS) - on the TACAN app to rwy 19L gear down full stop.
1546Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - FLIGHTCHECK 58 (LJ60 N58 FAA) - after an app to rwy 1 @ DCA, heads dir CSN-CHO QSY 124.650.
1548Z 119.300 Potomac APP - MARINE 767 (UC-35D 166767 MASD) - @ 2000' on the app to rwy 19L at Andrews.