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TinEar said:
Appreciate your contribution, however, the problem with those links is that they do indeed give sector names but don't associate frequencies with the names so we're still a bit lost.

Glad you reminded me though because since I made that original post, I found a site that has both the maps you link to plus the maps that associate sector names with frequencies which follow the format used by ZNY/ZBW in the recent Letters to Airmen that have been posted here and everywhere. Go to this link and scroll down about a half dozen messages:
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php/topic,1901.0.html
There might be a couple of UHF changes since that map was originally published but it's still very useful to us.

TinEar-
I'd love to find similar maps (sectors names with frequencies) for ZDC. Do you know of any?

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I'd love to find similar maps (sectors names with frequencies) for ZDC. Do you know of any?

Thanks,

Larry

Larry, I don't know of anything released by ZDC that matches what some of the other sectors have done. However, the database at this site (the info below the FAA-ATA-100 info recently posted), is up to date with sector names and frequencies. We've submitted all the most recent changes to it that I know of. It should be as good as anything published anywhere. I know that doesn't satisfy the need for a map to see exactly where the sectors are. However, if you go to this site:
http://www.zdcartcc.org/downloads/ZDCSOP-CTR-20060101.pdf
you'll see the maps of ZDC. That site is not official, in fact it's used by sim operators, but the maps are good to place the sectors in the right places.

Alan
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1311: SCARY 1 flight of two F-16s off the deck at Andrews and climbing out with TRACON on 348.725
1312: SCARY flight using 143.6 for tac
1315: KING 1 with Philly TRACON 269.25 level at 4,000 feet. Wants to stay there due to wx.
1317: SCARY flight handed off to U-7, ZDC-Calvert 281.4 where they check in at 15,000 feet.
1318: SCARY flight handed to Patuxent Approach on 305.2 where they check in at 15,000 and cancel IFR...they also request a straight in bobsled to the runway at Pax when done and then a tunnel back to Andrews. Say they'll be ready for all that in about 20 minutes.
1319: SCARY handed off to BayWatch on 270.8 where they check in for area R-4006 and state they are a flight of two. Request delay time of 25 minutes (up from 20 just a minute ago) and want to work at 25,000 feet. Cleared from 3500 to 25000 feet. SCARY 2 is given a separate squawk of 0152 to use in the work area.
1330: Had a SALTY DOG 103 (Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23 [VX-23] Patuxent River NAS) with BayWatch on 270.8 switch to Giant Killer on 249.8 to enter the area for work. He had a horrible transmitter and took about 5 minutes to get through to GK what he wanted.
About the
1345: SCARY 1 flight doing their bobsled to the runway at Patuxent while finishing up some ACM activity in R-4006. They've been simulating both DARKSTAR and DRAGNET AWACS work.
1351: F-22A activity, flight of two, on Langley tac 233.525 talking about the test track active (probably in W-386) Turns out to be COBRA F-22A flight
1352: SCARY flight pushed over to 343.65 with Pax Tower for their bobsled run to the runway. Still using 143.6 for tac
1356: COBRA flight (F-22A from Langley) with Giant Killer on 238.1 to report established in their area and changing to ops freq 391.2.
1358: U/I aircraft working on tac freq 138.75...sounds like flight of two (can't stay with them to try for an ID)
1359: SCARY flight to SOF on 139.9 to report both jets are Code 1.

Gotta run...back later.
 
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More in between work tasks...

1547Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ARMY 01053 (UC-35C 00-1053) - deps ADW QSY 123.825.

1804Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - MARINE 767 (UC-35D 166767) - deps ADW to 17000' QSY 123.825.
1844Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY 691 (C-20D 163691 VR-1 NAF Andrews) - deps ADW dir GINYA QSY 118.675.
1854Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY 7C 326 (UC-12B the afternoon shuttle) - @ 900' departing DAA.
 
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TinEar said:
Larry, I don't know of anything released by ZDC that matches what some of the other sectors have done. However, the database at this site (the info below the FAA-ATA-100 info recently posted), is up to date with sector names and frequencies. We've submitted all the most recent changes to it that I know of. It should be as good as anything published anywhere. I know that doesn't satisfy the need for a map to see exactly where the sectors are. However, if you go to this site:
http://www.zdcartcc.org/downloads/ZDCSOP-CTR-20060101.pdf
you'll see the maps of ZDC. That site is not official, in fact it's used by sim operators, but the maps are good to place the sectors in the right places.

What a great site. Thanks for the tip, TinEar.
 

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jerseymilair said:
From post #300 above by TinEar, that "unknown" area, would that be area AR-777 I hear so much mention of by the tankers out of McGuire?
Steve

Steve, I've seen a couple of different locations mentioned for AR-777 - one of which is along warning areas W-105 and 106. I've never seen the area that runs from Patuxent to W-107 mentioned as AR-777 but I'm just not sure since neither that area nor 777 are on the FAA track map of refueling areas. All I know for sure is that everytime I hear them in that Pax to W-107 track, they use 288.0 as primary.

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Just had a visual on MUSSELL-06 inbound to Mt. Weather. Heard with MUSSELL CONTROL on 292.2 then BLUEGRASS OPS on 241.0. BLUEGRASS was having a hard time understanding him because of helicopter noise. It was difficult for me too, I've never heard it sound so choppy.
 

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1312Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - JOSA 672 (C-21A) - deps ADW QSY 121.050.
1315Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 969 () - descending for DAA cleared vis app to rwy 32 QSY 126.3.
1317Z 141.550 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 672 (C-21A) - a/b time ADW 1300Z.
1321Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 928 () - deps ADW slow climb dir GINYA QSY 118.675.
1328Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - BOXER 704 (C-38A 201st AS DC ANG) - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
1330Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 36 (UH-60) - cancelling IFR due maint issue. RTB Davison.
1334Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 165 () - @ 3000' QSY 126.650.

1412Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - AIR FORCE 1 (VC-25A 89th AW) - deps ADW dir LDN to 17000' then to 19000' QSY 120.65.
 

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Alan,
The AR777 location has been a mystery for me for the last 5 years or so. I live in Brick, NJ which is right in the "DIXIE" sector on the map. I'm approx. 15 miles or so directly east of McGuire AFB. Needless to say, the KC-10's, 135's and C-17's path is directly over my house here. Normally when they depart McGuire, I'll catch them on all of the normal departure frequencies(120.250 A/D, 124.150 A/D, 363.800 A/D, 372.200 PTD & 319.400 CP. At about the time they are over my house, the KC-10's are usually a flight of 2 or more and always go to 139.875 INTERPLANE. That is where I always here of the "777" or "AR-777". Shortly afterwards you'll here them in contact with NY Center on 128.300. Within about 5-10 minutes or so they'll switch to BOSTON CENTER on 124.525. I usually here them requesting the "block" between 21 and 23 and they mention time and number of a/c and who they'll be meeting up with. Within 30 minutes or so I'll catch them on what they refer to as "AR primary" and they pop up on 228.000. When HUNTRESS is working with them, 260.900 (BLUE 12) also becomes very active as the co-ordination frequency. Last week during the big CAP over NYC for the UN, I monitored numerous a/c from McGuire, contacting BOSTON CENTER and refueling all of the a/c in the CAP. Also many times in the past, hearing somes of the pilots of the tankers in AR-777, you can tell some of them are new just by hearing the long statements or comms on the radio rather than the short and brief comms normally heard from the other pilots. I tend to believe that AR-777 is off the coast of Long Island and that is serves two purposes. One that it is used as an AR for the NYC CAP and the other as a training area for aireal refueling.
Just though I'd share my thoughts since I don't have much time to post many logs anymore due to working two jobs.
Steve
 
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2000: GRAYHAWK 08 (E-2C VAW-120, Norfolk NAS) with ZDC-Salisbury 257.7 checking in
2006: CRAB 51 (C-130J MD-ANG) with Phillips AAF Tower on 126.15 reporting mission will be a sandbag drop with AEGIS drop controller. IDs as a C-130. Says he'll be ready for the drop at 15 past the hour.
2012: CRAB 51 with Crab Ops on 385.9 explaining reason for short delay in drop operation
2013: GRAYHAWK 08 descending down to 14,000
2016: CRAB 51 talking with AEGIS drop controller on Crab Ops freq 385.9...says he's 2 minutes out.
2022: CRAB 51 trying to contact AEGIS on 385.9 asking for his strike info...wants his drop score.
2026: PAT 37 (helo) on FSS 255.4 opening his flight plan to return to Davison AAF from Annapolis
2026: GRAYHAWK 08 asks for UHF handoff and is given 353.7. I can hear him on that freq but he's too weak to copy. 353.7 belongs to Norfolk Approach.
2040: REACH 5142 (female) with arrival message to Andrews on 378.1 (crew:3)
2041: REACH 5142 (male) says he has a load for the reserve ramp...says they were here yesterday and parked on the reserve ramp, Row 12...the load is for the AFRC unit. 378.1
2046: CRAB 51 making another drop...then a couple of minutes later looking for his drop score from AEGIS on 385.9
2055: REACH 5142 with ADW Approach 119.3...he's holding (probably for the ramp freeze to end although I haven't heard any activity in conjunction with the freeze)
2059: Nope...no ramp freeze...REACH 5142 to Tower on 118.4 for ILS approach to runway 19L. Reports gear down.

2109: CRAB 51 reports five minutes out (from drop zone) on 385.9
2109: Navy 692 with ADW Approach 119.3
2112: Navy 692 to ADW Tower on 118.4 to report 9 miles out for runway 19L...also wants to know if he can get in a couple of approaches before the ramp freeze (must mean they moved the scheduled time of the ramp freeze)
2114: REACH 505T reports airborne at this time (from Andrews). 378.1
2126: Navy 692 has gone around a couple of times...now says..."we'll get out of your hair and do a full stop this time." 118.4
2152: CRAB 51 with Martin State Tower 121.3 for landing. (He flew his track another time or two for more sandbag drops on 385.9 before deciding to call it quits for tonight.)


Andrews AFB: (All times are Zulu)
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 28 SEP 03:15 UNTIL 28 SEP 03:45
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 28 SEP 00:45 UNTIL 28 SEP 01:15
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 28 SEP 00:35 UNTIL 28 SEP 01:05

28 September: Look for a MAZDA 91-96 flight coming through this area. They are six F-15s of the 335th Fighter Squadron at Seymour Johnson AFB returning from the war zone via Spain. Should hit this area 1230-1300 local on ARTCC freqs...if they remain on schedule.

And we've got a CAP over Camp David scheduled for this weekend starting Friday night at 2135 local time and ending Sunday at 1300 local time.....
NOTAM Number : FDC 6/1521
Issue Date : September 27, 2006 at 20:02 UTC
Location : Hagerstown/Thurmont, Maryland near MARTINSBURG VORTAC (MRB)
Beginning Date and Time : September 30, 2006 at 1:35 UTC
Ending Date and Time : October 01, 2006 at 17:00 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A
Affected Area(s)
Airspace Definition:
TFR Center: 23.7 nautical miles from MARTINSBURG VORTAC(MRB) on the 055 radial (Latitude: 39º38'53"N, Longitude: 77º28'00"W)
Radius: 10 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including FL(180)
Effective Date(s):
September 30, 2006 at 1:35 UTC (September 29, 2006 at 21:35 EDT) - October 01, 2006 at 17:00 UTC (October 01, 2006 at 13:00 EDT)

And there's a CAP scheduled for within the ZID airspace tomorrow.......(We might hear the aircraft coming and going if the Shaw fighters are still on the S*** List and have the duty yet again....and perhaps part of the op when high enough)
NOTAM Number : FDC 6/1441
Issue Date : September 27, 2006 at 15:10 UTC
Location : Columbus/New Albany, Ohio
Beginning Date and Time : September 28, 2006 at 19:55 UTC
Ending Date and Time : September 28, 2006 at 23:10 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A
Affected Area(s)
Area A
Airspace Definition:
TFR Center: 12.4 nautical miles from APPLETON VORTAC(APE) on the 245 radial (Latitude: 40º02'39"N, Longitude: 82º49'04"W)
Radius: 30 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including FL(180)
Effective Date(s):
September 28, 2006 at 19:55 UTC (September 28, 2006 at 15:55 EDT) - September 28, 2006 at 23:10 UTC (September 28, 2006 at 19:10 EDT)

Andrews AFB:
RWY 19L UNSERVICEABLE. 26 SEP 20:29 UNTIL 30 NOV 23:59
 
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jerseymilair said:
Alan,
The AR777 location has been a mystery for me for the last 5 years or so. I live in Brick, NJ which is right in the "DIXIE" sector on the map. I'm approx. 15 miles or so directly east of McGuire AFB. Needless to say, the KC-10's, 135's and C-17's path is directly over my house here. Normally when they depart McGuire, I'll catch them on all of the normal departure frequencies(120.250 A/D, 124.150 A/D, 363.800 A/D, 372.200 PTD & 319.400 CP. At about the time they are over my house, the KC-10's are usually a flight of 2 or more and always go to 139.875 INTERPLANE. That is where I always here of the "777" or "AR-777". Shortly afterwards you'll here them in contact with NY Center on 128.300. Within about 5-10 minutes or so they'll switch to BOSTON CENTER on 124.525. I usually here them requesting the "block" between 21 and 23 and they mention time and number of a/c and who they'll be meeting up with. Within 30 minutes or so I'll catch them on what they refer to as "AR primary" and they pop up on 228.000. When HUNTRESS is working with them, 260.900 (BLUE 12) also becomes very active as the co-ordination frequency. Last week during the big CAP over NYC for the UN, I monitored numerous a/c from McGuire, contacting BOSTON CENTER and refueling all of the a/c in the CAP. Also many times in the past, hearing somes of the pilots of the tankers in AR-777, you can tell some of them are new just by hearing the long statements or comms on the radio rather than the short and brief comms normally heard from the other pilots. I tend to believe that AR-777 is off the coast of Long Island and that is serves two purposes. One that it is used as an AR for the NYC CAP and the other as a training area for aireal refueling.
Just though I'd share my thoughts since I don't have much time to post many logs anymore due to working two jobs.
Steve

Steve, I've got a fix on AR-777. It's along the 147 degree radial from the Nantucket Mass. VOR. The track runs northwest/southeast between warning areas W-105 and W-506. It's roughly between air fixes LACKS and SLATN.

Alan
 

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Just a reminder - the DoD FLIPs will go offline this weekend. Get them while you can, 'cause when they're gone, they're gone (this Sunday is the 1st of Oct). I understand you will be able to buy them, but no doubt at a hefty price tag.

73s Mike
 
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ka3jjz said:
Just a reminder - the DoD FLIPs will go offline this weekend. Get them while you can, 'cause when they're gone, they're gone (this Sunday is the 1st of Oct). I understand you will be able to buy them, but no doubt at a hefty price tag.

73s Mike

Mike: could you please post the link again? I have to take advantage of this last chance.

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The rest of yesterday's sporadic session didn't include much of interest. This morning so far has been no different. Reception is pretty lousy here...

1333Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - PACER 7 (C-21) - deps ADW switches to dep. never heard again.
1336Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 363T () - deps ADW.
1351Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - AIR FORCE 1 (VC-25A 89th AW) - deps ADW dir FLUKY to FL210.

1531Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 0505 () - on the vis. to rwy 14.
 
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Mike: could you please post the link again? I have to take advantage of this last chance.

thanks

This isn't Mike but here's the link George:
https://164.214.2.62/products/digitalaero/index.cfm

Just heard a flight of two through ZDC using callsign ZEPHYR 11 which doesn't compute in my callsign database. Last heard with ZDC-Shenandoah 270.35 at 1055. Flight level 280.

Also had a pair of F-16s from Andrews (WILD) returning home around 1045. «335.5/349.0»

At 1100, an aircraft that sounded like HOWDY 02 called Any Radio on FSS freq 255.4. Leesburg Radio answered the call and furnished the aircraft with the weather for Wright Patterson AFB (FFO) which was requested. The aircraft's position was on the 260 degree radial, 45 miles from EWC (Elwood City PA-about 20 miles south of Pittsburgh Intl Airport) so he was almost in Ohio. Leesburg Radio told him that from that position he should have called Cleveland Radio which could provide much better radio comms than Leesburg could from Virginia. (In Virginia but transmitting from an antenna at BWI for my listening pleasure) Of course, the aircraft called "Any Radio" - not Leesburg specifically.

Andrews AFB:
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 29 SEP 00:05 UNTIL 29 SEP 00:25 (Zulu times)

Dover AFB:
DOVER AFB AIRSHOW OPERATIONS IN EFFECT. DOVER AFB PATTERN CLOSED. AEROBATIC/HIGH SPEED/LOW ALTITUDE/MULTIPLE AIRCRAFT FORMATION FLIGHTS IN VICINITY OF DOVER AFB, SURFACE TO 15,000 FEET
04 OCT 19:00 UNTIL 04 OCT 20:00 (Zulu times)
05 OCT 18:30 UNTIL 05 OCT 20:30,
06 OCT 16:00 UNTIL 06 OCT 21:00
Those were three separate NOTAMs with the only difference being the times for the three days

McGuire AFB:
CLASS D AIRSPACE CLOSED FOR AIRSHOW DEMONSTRATION PRACTICE. 02 OCT 15:00 UNTIL 02 OCT 15:45 (Zulu times)
 
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Had a monitor crash this afternoon so couldn't report some of the activity taking place. Among the things heard:
1257: FLYER, flight of two, (A-10 Willow Grove) to Any Radio on FSS 255.4 to report entering SR-800 A to D at 500 feet, 250 knots.
1306: UGLY flight (A-10 Willow Grove) with Phil TRACON 263.125 climbing to 8500 feet and then with ZNY-Pottstown 278.3 heading for Ravine. (did you catch them Dave?)
1308: Warren Grove Range active on 283.1
Heard 143.75 tac active but don't know if it was UGLY or FLYER
1330: WILD, flight of two F-16s from Andrews at Pax for ACM...returned home on 335.5 and landed with Tower 349.0 at 1355.
Midway through the 1400 hour, AERO 21 flight of two F-16s of the NJ-ANG Atlantic City flew to the Pax area for work. Their tac was 138.875, worked ACY 327.125, ZDC-Casino 285.4, then to Pax Advisory 305.2 and BayWatch 270.8. This flight was followed a few minutes later by a BICEP 11 flight of two F-16s taking the same route and working the same freqs. Their tac was 138.425. They performed ACM practice in R-4006.
1428: Heard a Navy TP 01 (that started to identify himself as "TESTER...uhhh...TP 01" with ZDC-Montebello 284.7

1950: ASCOT 2103 Heavy with Atlantic City Approach 124.6 asking for the active runways at McGuire...he repeats runway 24.
1953: ASCOT 2103 Heavy handed off to McGuire by ACY Approach. 124.6

Ref below: Dave, sorry you didn't get to hear them. Oh, and I meant they were "heading" your way rather than "heaving" as I originally typed. :)
 
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1306: UGLY flight (A-10 Willow Grove) with Phil TRACON 263.125 climbing to 8500 feet and then with ZNY-Pottstown 278.3 heaving for Ravine. (did you catch them Dave?)

No, didn't pick them up Tin. In fact it's been waaaaay too quiet up here. The DUKE hasn't been active all week, refuelling has been sporadic, and only a handful of traffic transitioning through the area...maybe the Air Force is low on funds for gas. Hopefully it'll pick up soon.

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2213 Ascot 31 with Mcguire departure 124.15
2214 Ascot 31 to ZNY 128.3
2216 Pat405 with Zny 128.3
 
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A new N Departure freq for Dulles was heard in service this morning while at IAD: 120.825 in use with handoffs to 123.825.

1430Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - AVALON 74 (C-9B Scott) - deps ADW.

1432Z 287.600 WHEELHOUSE CONTROL Pentagon - There is currently activity here: "this is WHEELHOUSE CONTROL come in please..." Tel. # being passed from a/c which is unreadable.

Interrupted by work so missed the rest of the comms on 287.6. I could hear them while discussing something with a colleague! 8-(

1454Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - TRACK 66 (C-21A) - deps ADW to 17000' QSY 118.675.

1542Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 461 () - deps DAA QSY 118.950 @ 500' QSY 125.650.

Again, too much work but back at it now. Missed someone conducting an option to 1R @ ADW on 349.00 @ 1830Z.

1840Z 118.850 Davison AAF GCA - MUSSEL 08 (UH-1 316th OG Andrews) - on the left downwind for landing heliport 32. QSY 126.3.
1842Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 036 () - deps DAA @ 1500' QSY 118.950 to 2000' then quickly QSYs to 124.7.

1906Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 2401 (C-12T afternoon shuttle Davison OSACOM VA RFC) - deps DAA @ 1200' for 2000', cleared to 5000'.
1922Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - NAVY JT 988 (C-9B 160050 VR-52 NAS JRB Willow Grove) - i/b C-9 neg. fuel req. update on ramp freeze + Space A outbound. Tail #160050 and can release 20 seats outbound.
1928Z 119.300 Potomac APP - NAVY JT 988 (C-9B 160050 VR-52 NAS JRB Willow Grove) - cleared for the visual to 1R @ ADW QSY 118.4.
1948Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - SAM 0671 () - deps ADW to 15000'.
1951Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - JOSA 581 (C-21A) - deps ADW to 15000'.
1954Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 581 (C-21A) - a/b time ADW 1948Z.

2012Z 119.300 Potomac APP - SUNNY 583 (UC-12B) - 5000' for 3000' for the ILS to 1R @ ADW.
2020Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - PACER 01 (C-21A) - home station C-21 ETA 20 mins A1.
 
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