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[BM82557]

Leesburg notam

NOTAM Number : FDC 7/0614
Issue Date : October 17, 2007 at 2129 UTC
Location : Leesburg, Virginia
Beginning Date and Time : October 21, 2007 at 1425 UTC
Ending Date and Time : October 21, 2007 at 1645 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP




The map and sectional do not match the text. They are for a location in Idaho.

 

[BM82557]

Activity 10182007

1032 - VIKING 51, flight of 2,checking in with GK, AR636 for the tanker - 249.8
Heard them on 238.825 about 2 minutes previously

1037 - DRAGO 41 with Potomac - 279.575

 

[TinEar]

NOTAM Number : FDC 7/0614
Issue Date : October 17, 2007 at 2129 UTC
Location : Leesburg, Virginia
Beginning Date and Time : October 21, 2007 at 1425 UTC
Ending Date and Time : October 21, 2007 at 1645 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP

The map and sectional do not match the text. They are for a location in Idaho.

Brian, that one doesn't meet the requirements for a CAP anyway because of the 3 mile radius and restrictions only up to 3000 feet. However, the other two for Laurel and St. Michaels do meet requirements although we've seen several of these not result in fighter protection in this area that last only a couple of hours.

NOTAM Number : FDC 7/0593 Issue Date : October 17, 2007 at 1929 UTC Location : Laurel, Maryland Beginning Date and Time : October 20, 2007 at 1135 UTC Ending Date and Time : October 20, 2007 at 1355 UTC Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement Type : VIP
Airspace Definition:

Center: 7.9 nautical miles from BALTIMORE VORTAC(BAL) on the 247 radial (Latitude: 39º05'48"N, Longitude: 76º48'06"W)

Radius: 30 nautical miles

Altitude: From the surface up to but not including FL(180)
Effective Date(s):

From October 20, 2007 at 1135 UTC (October 20, 2007 at 0735 EDT)

To October 20, 2007 at 1355 UTC (October 20, 2007 at 0955 EDT)
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NOTAM Number : FDC 7/0594 Issue Date : October 17, 2007 at 1930 UTC Location : St. Michaels, Maryland Beginning Date and Time : October 20, 2007 at 1330 UTC Ending Date and Time : October 20, 2007 at 1830 UTC Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement Type : VIP
Airspace Definition:

Center: 23.6 nautical miles from NOTTINGHAM VORTAC(OTT) on the 085 radial (Latitude: 38º48'13"N, Longitude: 76º15'25"W)

Radius: 30 nautical miles

Altitude: From the surface up to but not including FL(180)
Effective Date(s):

From October 20, 2007 at 1330 UTC (October 20, 2007 at 0930 EDT)

To October 20, 2007 at 1830 UTC (October 20, 2007 at 1430 EDT)

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New (for me) Langley callisign heard today working Giant Killer's offshore area....POKER (F-22A)
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1037 - DRAGO 41 with Potomac - 279.575

At first I thought the 41 was a typo...it's not. DRAGO 41 was up in the time frame you logged as a KC-135R, tail 62-3569, from the 99th ARS at Robins.

Now I have DRAGO 51 up. The unusual thing about him is that it's a C-21A (84-0077, 457th AS Andrews) flying that mission. That doesn't happen very often. First heard at 1128 and still up with DRAGO 2 (ground controller) at 1248 getting a soft TOT at 1304...currently at 2500 feet in his waiting orbit...279.575

Three military funerals scheduled for 1300 at Arlington but just one is Air Force...
SAMMY BUCK COOPER, 1ST LT, USAF 1:00
JAMES R HUTTON, CAPT, USN 1:00
RAYMOND H TIFFANY, COL, USA 1:00

1255: DRAGO 51 has the TOT now changed to 1303....says he has an IFR clearance to JHW (Chautauqua County/Jamestown Airport, New York) when he completes the flyby...reads his routing for FL 270 for that trip....279.575
1258: DRAGO 51 asking DRAGO 2 if he can pass at 200...then clarifies that he meant 200 knots, not altitude (standard is 1000 feet for Arlington flyby)....279.575
1259: RIDER 81 (F-22A Langley), flight of two into W-386 A-J with Giant Killer. Says he'll be MARSA with ROCKY and VAPOR flights. Wants to know if there's a tanker in the area...249.8

1302: DRAGO 51 reports on the inbound...279.575
1302: RIDER 81 tells Giant Killer to notify him if a REACH or STEEL tanker comes into the area (REACH tanker doing AR work?)...249.8
1304: DRAGO 51 makes the flyby and is cleared to 11,000 feet on a course of 320 degrees....279.575
1305: DRAGO 51 cleared to 17,000...279.575
1307: DRAGO 51 handed off to TRACON where he checks in climbing to 17,000 feet....123.825 (dropping him here)
1308: VAPOR 81 flight (F-22A Langley) into W-386 w/Giant Killer...climbing to FL 230...249.8 (Heard just before this w/Norfolk switching to "7"...370.925)
1317: VAPOR 81 tells Giant Killer to repeat the information for tanker REACH 475...249.8 (So, we do have a REACH tanker doing AR work.)
1319: REACH 9020 (C-5A, 69-0020, 89th AS) to Dover CP...20 minutes out, A-1, has 11 pax continuing through to next flight leg, request low stairs...gets parking spot Hotel and asks for info on his upload for the next leg...349.4
1325: WB 510 (WATERBUG-Force Aircraft Test Squadron, NAS Patuxent River) handed off by Giant Killer to Patuxent freq 314.0....249.8
1334: CARMEN 1 (C-130H, 84-0206, 142nd AS DE-ANG) calling CB (Squadron Ops)...20 minutes out, A-2 for #2 RPM guage...has 2 empty pallets he needs taken off the plane...343.0

Dover's newest C-17A (07-7169) was flying as RIDER 75 in the 0900 hour this morning.

 

[trainman111]

Here's one I'm going to keep an eye out for -

NOTAM Number : FDC 7/0729
Issue Date : October 18, 2007 at 1620 UTC
Type : Special

Plain Language text is not available for this NOTAM. The traditional NOTAM text is given below:


FDC 7/0729 ZDC VA.. SPECIAL NOTICE. LYNCHBURG, VA. FLIGHT ADVISORY SOUTHWEST/SOUTHEAST QUADRANTS OF LYNCHBURG,VIRGINIA UP TO A DISTANCE OF APPROXIMATLY 60 NAUTICAL MILES EFFECTIVE0710312200 UTC (1800 LOCAL 10/31/07) UNTIL 0711120500 UTC (2400 LOCAL 11/11/07). THE U.S. MARINE CORPS 24 MARINE EXPEDITIONARY UNIT WILL BE CONDUCTING INTENSIVE FLIGHT OPERATIONS IN SUPPORT OF AN ONGOING EXERCISE APPROXIMATELY 15 NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF MARTINSVILLE, CHATHAM, SOUTH BOSTON, FORK UNION, CREWE, AND FORT PICKETT, VIRGINIA, AND AN AERIAL REFUELING TRACK APPROXIMATELY BETWEEN THE SOUTH BOSTON VORTAC (SBV) 105 RADIAL, 30 MILE DME TO THE 50 MILE DME. NUMEROUS HELICOPTER FLIGHT OPERATIONS BELOW 500 FEET AGLARE EXPECTED AND HIGH SPEED CLIMB/DESCENT ALTITUDE TRANSITIONS OF AV-8 HARRIERS, F/A-18 HORNETS, AND KC-130 HERCULES WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE EXERCISE. THE AV-8'S AND F/A-18 S MAY EXCEED 250 KNOTS BELOW 10,000 FEET AS AUTHORIZED BY THE FAA. PILOTS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED TO MAINTAIN INCREASED VIGILANCE WHEN OPERATING WITHIN THE ABOVE DESCRIBED AREA.

 

[trainman111]

Sorry, double post.

 

[Mark]

Had a BOWIE 31 with Andrews metro 344.600 1746z req wx at KHRT Hurlbert Field at 2100z then he does ppr on Andrews CP to req customs upon arrival there at 2100z.
Guessing some type of AC-130 that are based there.
Don't have that callsign.

1920z REACH 475 arriving Langley on their CP 251.250, 32k on the gas and req 40k upon arrival.

Mark

 

[trainman111]

1601 - PAT 8009 with Potomac APP at 10,000. <126.4>
1608 - "VENUS 24 turn to heading 190 descend and maintain 2,500." <134.7>
1611 - "VENUS 24 turn to heading 150." <134.7>
1614 - now theres a VENUS 21 calling. Not sure if he just forgot his c/s or what... <134.7>
1614 - "Tower, VENUS 24 is uh..... the ILS 16" <121.1>
1618 - "Approach, this is VENUS 24 at 2.2 climbing to 3,000. <126.4>
1618 - I also have an ANVIL 26 in the pattern at RIC. <134.7>
1618 - "PAT 2402 direct OJ." <134.7>
1619 - An a/c called in and said there were some MYLAR balloons at about 10,000 ft and to alert other aircraft. <126.4>
1620 - "VENUS 24, contact Washington Center on 132.95." <126.4>
1633 - "PAT 861 cleared for the ILS 16 at RIC" <126.4>
1633 - "PAT 861 contact Richmond Tower on 121.1" <126.4>
1634 - "Richmond TWR, PAT 861 is about 5 mi. out for the ILS Rwy 16". <121.1>
1644 - "PAT 861 cleared to land Rwy 16." <121.1>

 

[TinEar]

Had a BOWIE 31 with Andrews metro 344.600 1746z req wx at KHRT Hurlbert Field at 2100z then he does ppr on Andrews CP to req customs upon arrival there at 2100z.
Guessing some type of AC-130 that are based there.
Don't have that callsign.

1920z REACH 475 arriving Langley on their CP 251.250, 32k on the gas and req 40k upon arrival.

Mark

That BOWIE 31 is an interesting one Mark. It's an MC-130H Combat Talon, tail 87-0126, from the 7th Special Operations Squadron. He was probably just coming in from Mildenhall. He was still in the U.K. yesterday. While you're adding that callsign to your database, you can also add TUSK for that unit. He was in the Atlanta area about 15 minutes ago (1600 local.)

I didn't catch the REACH 475 tanker. He was the one refueling the F-22A types that were operating out in W-386. I don't think I've ever heard a REACH mission in an AR op prior to this. I've heard them receiving fuel but never giving it.
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Here's one I'm going to keep an eye out for -

Sounds like a good one Nick. You're in a perfect location to hear most of that but it's probably not going to be heard up this way considering the altitudes to be used.

By the way, I was looking at some of the pictures at your website yesterday. You've got some interesting stuff there. I have no interest in listening to railroad comms but I've always had an interest in the trains themselves.

 

[trainman111]

By the way, I was looking at some of the pictures at your website yesterday. You've got some interesting stuff there. I have no interest in listening to railroad comms but I've always had an interest in the trains themselves.

Thanks Tin. That's my second hobby. I've got about 300 more pictures to upload so be looking for some updates.
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On a milair note:

It seems like the VENUS flights have been at RIC a lot lately. I had one do 3 approaches yesterday and theres one in the pattern right now. It be great to figure out which planes they are (besides a visual).

 

[TinEar]

Thanks Tin. That's my second hobby. I've got about 300 more pictures to upload so be looking for some updates.
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On a milair note:

It seems like the VENUS flights have been at RIC a lot lately. I had one do 3 approaches yesterday and theres one in the pattern right now. It be great to figure out which planes they are (besides a visual).

I'm fairly sure you're hearing VENUS 24 today. (And now that you've added some of his traffic to your message, that's confirmed.) He's a C-20B, 86-0204, 99th AS Andrews bird.

 

[trainman111]

I'm fairly sure you're hearing VENUS 24 today. He's a C-20B, 86-0204, 99th AS Andrews bird.

Yup that's who it was. He said VENUS 21 once, but then corrected himself. How do you know which aircraft is calling by the c/s alone?

 

[TinEar]

Yup that's who it was. He said VENUS 21 once, but then corrected himself. How do you know which aircraft is calling by the c/s alone?

That unit makes up its VENUS callsign suffix from the tail number. 86-0204 will always be VENUS 24. VENUS 40 is 97-0400, a C-37A. I believe he was also flying those training missions this week. Notice where the 24 and 40 is in the tail number. There have been exceptions but they almost always follow that pattern.

 

[trainman111]

That unit makes up its VENUS callsign suffix from the tail number. 86-0204 will always be VENUS 24. VENUS 40 is 97-0400, a C-37A. I believe he was also flying those training missions this week. Notice where the 24 and 40 is in the tail number. There have been exceptions but they almost always follow that pattern.

Alright thanks. Yes, VENUS 40 did some approaches yesterday here at KRIC and then went over to KPHF.

 

[freqhopping]

NIGHTHAWK-18 again, single H-60, 4 minutes out from Mt WX 241.0
Will do a UEN check when they lift off. I think more like an encrypted check.
1646- NIGHTHAWK-18 and BLUEGRASS on 375.0 in the clear, then doing secure checks. Neither hears the other.

1700- PACER-66 calling Caribou Ops 283.75 Didn't hear anymore.
1705- JOSA-302 calls PACER-66 on 378.1 and tells him to switch to channel 20 (283.75). There they chat and the JOSA pilot mentions where he had been today including doing the flyover in Arlington.

2048- NIGHTHAWK-18 inbound to Mt WX again. 241.0

 

[TinEar]

1650: E-6B, 164386, VQ-4 climbing out from Patuxent...310.15
Takeoff was to the south and he's swinging around to a westerly course and climbing.
Didn't swing all the way to the west...got on course 220 and climbed to FL 240. He's just to the east of Richmond at 1703.

 

[CitationJet]

Recent logs

Hi guys,

A few recent catches...

PT = Potomac Consolidated TRACON
ZDC = Washington ARTCC

10.15.2007 pm

1630Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 7104 (UC-35A 97-0104 OSACOM VA RFC Davison)
- deps rwy 32 QSY PT DEP 118.950.

1817Z 119.850 PT APP - REACH 405T (C-5) - 8000' for 6000' on the app to Andrews
rwy 19L.

2300Z 120.100 IAD TWR East - FREEDOM 08 (UH-72A 07-2008) - deps Signature FBO
ramp, gets heading 190 QSY PT DEP 125.050.

10.16.2007

1051Z 118.950 PT DEP - ARMY 10301 (UC-35B 01-0301) - deps ADW
2000'-3000'-5000'-17000'-FL230 QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550.

1102Z 118.950 PT DEP - NAVY 7C 512 (UC-12B 161203 NAS Oceana NFD) - @ 6000' for
the vis. app to Davison AAF - dir OJAAY to 4000'- 2000' QSY Davison AAF TWR
126.300.
1108Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - NAVY 7C 512 (UC-12B 161203 NAS Oceana NFD) - 8
nm. extended left base for the vis. app to rwy 32.

1834Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - NAVY 7C 512 (UC-12B 161203 NAS Oceana NFD) -
lands rwy 32 and req. clnc to LFI.
1845Z 335.500 PT APP - WILD 1 (F-16C/D 121st FS DC ANG) - req.initial for rwy 1L
full stop. Dep OTT VORTAC vects. to the initial to 4000'.
1848Z 139.900 121st FS SOF - BULLY 1/2 - reporting mission status 69 nms. to the
S of Andrews.
1851Z 118.950 PT DEP - JOSA 274 (C-21A JOSAC) - dir GVE QSY PT DEP 118.675.
1858Z 139.900 121st FS SOF - SCARY 1/2 - reporting mission status.

1903Z 118.950 PT DEP - JOSA 328 (C-21A JOSAC) - to 17000' dir LDN QSY PT DEP
118.675.
1906Z 118.950 PT DEP - NAVY 7C 512 (UC-12B 161203 NAS Oceana NFD) - off DAA rwy
32 1700' for 2000' cleared to 5000' dir GRUBY.

10.17.2007

1836Z 119.300 PT APP - VENUS 01 (VC-25A 89th AW) - pattern work.
1844Z 143.600 121st FS IF - BULLY 1/2 - ACM activity.
1845Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 2401 (C-12T 85-1267 OSACOM VA RFC) - deps
rwy 14 QSY PT DEP 118.950 500'-2000'-5000' dir GRUBY QSY PT APP 126.400.
1853Z 118.950 PT DEP - JOSA 454 (C-21A JOSAC) - deps ADW 1600'-3000' to 17000'
QSY PT DEP 123.825.

1905Z 128.350 PT APP - SPAR 28 (C-37A 01-0028 301st AS) - 6000'-3000' on the app
to Andrews.

10.18.2007 am

1155Z 118.950 PT DEP - EVAC 80812 - deps ADW dir GVE-J37-MGM as filed QSY.
1155Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 1203 (C-12T 85-1267 OSACOM VA RFC) - deps
rwy 32 QSY PT DEP 118.950 700'-2000'-5000' dir GRUBY QSY PT APP 126.400.

1207Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - ANVIS 20 (UH-60 NVESD Davison) - RTB due maintz.
issue.
1210Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 786 (UC-35A 98-0009 DC ArNG) - deps
rwy 32 QSY PT DEP 118.950 to 17000' dir LDN QSY ZDC-Linden 133.550.
1213Z 128.350 PT APP - DC 41 - req. ILS CAT 2 rwy 19R full stop; after this
another DC 41 will be up. These guys were really up all day long...

Can't find my log from the drive home earlier this afternoon, but had DC 41 up and CARMEN 5 departing ADW both between 1900-1940Z.

 

[trainman111]

I just got back from KFCI. They're having an airshow this weekend and I got there just in time to watch the B-25 land. I was lucky enough to be able to walk out on the flight line once he parked in order to take a look around. It sure is an amazing piece of history. I'll post pics as soon as I can. I think I'm going to head back over tomorrow and watch them do their practices before the show.

Along with the B-25, there was a T-6, Blue Angels F11, and an airforce plane that I've never seen in my life. The wings were mounted above the fuselage and the engines were mounted in the center of the wings about 4 ft. apart directly above the fuselage. I'll post a picture of that plane too.

 

[Mark]

That BOWIE 31 is an interesting one Mark. It's an MC-130H Combat Talon, tail 87-0126, from the 7th Special Operations Squadron. He was probably just coming in from Mildenhall. He was still in the U.K. yesterday. While you're adding that callsign to your database, you can also add TUSK for that unit. He was in the Atlanta area about 15 minutes ago (1600 local.)

Thanks Tin that was an interesting catch.

A few others tonite...

New callsign here...
CAFE 62 was bash window divert from Andrews and went to McGuire after
chat with McGuire metro 239.800.
CAFE 72 an hour behind landed McGuire with CP 319.400

ASCOT 2335 also into McGuire 2315z

Any id on CAFE? I think they could be tankers as CAFE 62 had writeup with forward
fuel tank switch...prob KC-135's.

Mark

 

[trainman111]

1959: ANVIL 26 cleared for the ILS approach Rwy 16.


Any ideas as to who this is??

 

[TinEar]

Thanks Tin that was an interesting catch.

A few others tonite...

New callsign here...
CAFE 62 was bash window divert from Andrews and went to McGuire after
chat with McGuire metro 239.800.
CAFE 72 an hour behind landed McGuire with CP 319.400

ASCOT 2335 also into McGuire 2315z

Any id on CAFE? I think they could be tankers as CAFE 62 had writeup with forward
fuel tank switch...prob KC-135's.

Mark

GOOD CATCH!!! I wanted to listen for those CAFE flights but didn't get the chance. (A Michigan listener reported CAFE 72 was due at McGuire at 2315Z.) That's a new Coronet East tanker callsign. I'd bet on them being KC-135s too as opposed to KC-10s just because of the 62/72 suffix. The x1 suffix seems to go with KC-10s most of the time and x2 (or 3 and 4) with the KC-135s (but not always.)

Mark, do you have the times those two CAFE tankers landed at McGuire?

The ASCOT 2335 flight was a VC-10, tail XV105, from 101 Squadron.