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You wouldn't be flying under the hood in the East River VFR corridor. For IFR practice in that area you'd go out towards western NJ for orientation work, and shoot your approaches at a place like Morristown or Caldwell. When you're in either of the VFR corridors (Hudson River or East River), SOP is to turn on every light you have and announce your position like you're at a baseball game. It also helps if the passengers play the "spot the other planes" game, since it really can be just that crowded. The East River at 72nd, though, is already in the the part of Class B where it extends to the surface, since its near enough to the approach corridor for LGA's runway 4, so you need a positive clearance to enter that airspace.

And, compressing 2 replies into one post, there are also PA ANG KC-135s based at PIT.
 
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One question you experts may be able to answer, what is at Pittsburg? I had an a/c say he was with the 91xthAW (did not catch the last number) out of Pittsburg. It seems not to be related to the CAP because it looks like only C130H are there in Pittsburg.

Tankers of the 147th ARS/ 171st ARW are based in Pittsburgh, callsign STEEL.
 

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A little while ago SKATER-02 was calling HUNTRESS on 364.2. No answer for a while, but apparently they did, however I couldn't hear HUNTRESS.
Anybody able to hear HUNTRESS? Normally I can, but not with this unexpected CAP.

Yes, surprisingly - had Huntress rather weak but readable on 228.9 - even heard the authentication, then the OK to RTB.

73s Mike
 

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EricCottrell said:
Hello,

Picking up some good milair here in the Boston Area. Sad about the reason for it.

One question you experts may be able to answer, what is at Pittsburg? I had an a/c say he was with the 91xthAW (did not catch the last number) out of Pittsburg. It seems not to be related to the CAP because it looks like only C130H are there in Pittsburg.

324.6 is active as I write this.

73 Eric

As freqhopping mentioned, the 147th Air Refueling Squadron flying KC-135s is at Pittsburgh but so is the 911th Airlift Wing with C-130s.
 

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Hi guys,

Caught some action on the excruciating commute home via IAD earlier this evening:

2135Z 119.300 Potomac APP - DUSTY 21 (C-130H 165th AG, GA ANG) - vectors for the ILS 19R @ ADW.
2135Z 119.300 Potomac APP - SAM 0777 () - 5000' for 3000' for the ILS 19L @ ADW.
2136Z 139.700 121st AS CAPITOL OPS - BRAVE 61 wondering what the plan is for the next two hours.
2138Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - DUSTY 21 (C-130H 165th AG, GA ANG) - a single C-130 i/b ADW tail #80-0325.
2144Z 288.350 ZDC-Guard Dog - SKATR 02 (KC-135R 106th ARS AL ANG) - blocking FL250-FL2?0.
2147Z 228.900 ZDC-HUNTRESS - BRAVE 61 to 63 switch to V-5.
2150Z 139.700 121st AS CAPITOL OPS - BRAVE 61 rpting that BRAVE 63 has no V-11? authentication, make sure it is equipped next time out.
2158Z 228.900 ZDC-HUNTRESS - BRAVE 61 reports that HUNTRESS has directed him to RTB at this time. Requests BRAVE 63 come up on V-9.
2159Z 139.700 121st AS CAPITOL OPS - BRAVE 61 rpting HUNTRESS directs RTB, 61 is 10 mins out Code 1, 63 will follow staggered about 20 mins later, also Code 1. QSYs to 135.525.

2213Z 135.525 ZDC-Guard Dog - SKATR 02 (KC-135R 106th ARS AL ANG) - cleared BHM direct FL240 QSY ZDC-Potomac 133.975. Then QSYs to ZDC-Linden 120.650.
 

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Heard inbound ADW traffic mention a ramp freeze. There is: 12 OCT 01:15 UNTIL 12 OCT 01:45 GMT. Ought to be hearing something.

POTUS is heading to Chicago for a fundraiser appearance tomorrow.
 

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re: [CitationJet's post] Commuter logs... how?

CitationJet said:
Hi guys,

Caught some action on the excruciating commute home via IAD earlier this evening:

Call me stupid but how does one log traffic and drive? OR .. was traffic that bad =)
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Double-post; my short CAP log:

LEAVING CAP @ 2029z (135.525)

ROCCO 61 | (Back to McGuire) 2030/ ROCCO 61; MARSA Terminated switch 135.4 [Tanker]
BRAVE 62

2113z/ BRAVE's go secure on 143.6 for a bit and a few min later clear

BRAVE's re: crypto-cards -- 62 asks Lead about (missing "TIME's"), ("do you have day 12" -- Lead) "yes"



jay
 
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This afternoon, in the heat of the battle, I said COSMICs were from Langley. Sheesh! I know better. COSMIC is the CAP callsign for F-16s from Atlantic City. So, BRAVE 61/62 (then 63) had D.C., COSMIC 41/42 had NYC and SLAM 31/32 (then 33) had Boston. Strange that out of six aircraft taking CAP duty, two had to be returned for replacements due to mechanial problems. A 33% failure rate is not good considering the circumstances.
 

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This afternoon, in the heat of the battle, I said COSMICs were from Langley. Sheesh! I know better. COSMIC is the CAP callsign for F-16s from Atlantic City. So, BRAVE 61/62 (then 63) had D.C., COSMIC 41/42 had NYC and SLAM 31/32 (then 33) had Boston. Strange that out of six aircraft taking CAP duty, two had to be returned for replacements due to mechanial problems. A 33% failure rate is not good considering the circumstances.

Hello,

I caught the callsign SLAM 32 up here in the Boston Area. I am on vacation at home so I could turn on the radios.

73 Eric
 

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Re: log traffic and drive

Hi Jay,

I'll leave the calling to "fighterdude" over in that other thread...:cool:

Traffic was THAT bad yesterday, and gave me ample opportunity to log. Indeed I usually do not log while driving under normal traffic circumstances.

Best regards,

Tony

dehm said:
Call me stupid but how does one log traffic and drive? OR .. was traffic that bad =)
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1515Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - REACH 8018 () - dep msg off ADW. Also on 118.950.
1518Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - AIR FORCE 1 (VC-25A 89th AW) - deps ADW to 13000' dir GINYA QSY 120.650.
1525Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - SAM 94 (C-32A 99-0004 89th AW) - deps ADW to 17000' dir GINYA QSY 120.650.
1529Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - MARINE 206 () - deps ADW 1000' for 2000' init. alt. QSYs 121.050.
1535Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - PAT 047 () - lands ADW.
1537Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - ANVIS 21 () - 10 mis S of the field for landing NVR.

Just got back in from lunch where the T-Birds were seen practicing over the Skyline area of Falls Church. Now heard on 279.575 using callsign THUNDERBIRD 1 heading back to Andrews for landing, one more practice circuit (just heard them go over the top) then full stop ILS 1R.

1714Z 279.575 Potomac APP - THUNDERBIRD 1 () - one more timing run then will break off.
1722Z 279.575 Potomac APP - THUNDERBIRD 1 () - 2000' initial rolling out 360 heading to the initial at ADW. *heard DRAGO 51 in here as well but not sure who was using that callsign now. THUNDERBIRD 1 confirmed at this time.

1818Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 393 () - right downwind for rwy 32.
1827Z 119.300 Potomac APP - BOXR 53 (201st AS DC ANG) - maintain 3000' until established, cleared for the option ILS 1R. QSY 118.400 where he's #2 for landing.
1844Z 119.300 Potomac APP - SAM 734 () - @ 2000' cleared for the ILS 1R. QSY 118.400.
1850Z 119.300 Potomac APP - VENUS 44 () - cleared for the ILS 1R option back to radar. QSY 118.400 and requests IFR clearance back to MDT.

1901Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - PAT 564 () - on the ILS app to 1R.
1902Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 1268 (C-12T 85-1268) - lands rwy 14.
1910Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 2401 (C-12T afternoon shuttle) - deps rwy 14 QSY 118.950 to 5000' dir GRUBY QSY 126.400.
1916Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - DRAGO 21 () - cleared for the option to 1R. [Cleared for 19L @ 1924Z].

1959Z 119.300 Potomac APP - BRS 2402 (707 FAB2402 Brazilian AF) - 3000' on the app to 19L. QSY 118.400 and cleared to land at 2005Z.
 
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1722Z 279.575 Potomac APP - THUNDERBIRD 1 () - 2000' initial rolling out 360 heading to the initial at ADW. *heard DRAGO 51 in here as well but not sure who was using that callsign now. THUNDERBIRD 1 confirmed at this time.[/QUOTE]

I'm not good at translating Zulu time, but I heard something very loud fly over downtown Silver Spring about 12:30. Could this have been Thunderbird1?
 

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Looks like we'll have a Guard Dog CAP to listen to this weekend.

I will probably head downtown to watch and listen to the fly-by on Saturday. Probably find a spot on the DC side along the river.

From ABC7, "Another practice flyover was planned for 11:15 a.m. Friday, with an "aerial parade" of 14 Air Force aircraft from different generations". Too bad I'll be at work, AM reception is nearly nil. :(
 

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Looks like we'll have a Guard Dog CAP to listen to this weekend.

Yes, we sure will...
Effective Date(s):
October 13, 2006 at 19:50 UTC (October 13, 2006 at 15:50 EDT) - October 15, 2006 at 17:00 UTC (October 15, 2006 at 13:00 EDT)

1909: CRAB 56 (C-130J MD-ANG Martin State) working with MTN Tower 121.3.
1917: SCARY flight of F-16s off the deck at Andrews with TRACON on 348.725...climbing out on the way to 15,000 feet. It's a flight of three and their tac freq is 143.6. They are just slipping on their NVGs. They're heading for Patuxent...changing to U-7
1920: SCARY over to ZDC-Calvert 281.4 (U-7) completing their climb and report non-standard formation
1922: SCARY changing to Patuxent Approach on 354.8 where they check in at 15,000...say they're a little early to the area. Want to know if there's any IFR traffic between them and area R-4006. They request R-4006 from 35,000 down to 3,500 feet and say their delay in the area will be approximately 30 minutes. When finished, they want a tunnel back to Andrews. From this point on, they are operating on tac 143.6 for their work at Pax.
1931: ARMY 01053 trying to call Andrews CP on 141.55. No joy after a couple of calls. (Still trying at 1935)
1934: Tanker chat on interplane 139.875. One says he might have hit a bird on takeoff.
1937: ARMY 01053 finally makes contact with Andrews on 141.55...says he's been calling for a while...now 10 minutes out and has an R-3 to drop off...parking in spot 10-A.
1940: SCARY flight getting separate squawks for the wingmen from Pax on 354.8
1944: ARMY 01052 with ADW Approach on 119.3...descending toward the runway.
1946: SCARY flight now with simulated DARKSTAR (AWACS) work on tac 143.6
1948: SCARY 2 has a broken VHF radio so is communicating with wingmates on UHF 354.8 (Pax freq) He can hear on his VHF radio, just can't transmit.
1951: SCARY flight practicing intercepts with one of the F-16s acting as the intruder and one in the role of DARKSTAR vectoring the interceptor...interceptor identifies him as tail number DC 255 (one of the DC-ANG F-16s in the flight.)
1959: The most recent intercept of one of the SCARY F-16s, describes the intruder's pilot as "portly" and with NVG light in the cockpit. They're having fun. «143.6» SCARY 2's radio must be working again...he's transmitting on the VHF freq.

2003: HIRE (or HIGHER) 07 to McGuire CP on 319.4 with arrival message....he's 20 minutes out, A-1, no pax or cargo and needs crew bus for six. (Guess it's HIRE based on info provided by Mark below.) Last time I heard them (6/5/06) I logged them as HIGHER 4X aircraft into McGuire.
2007: Tanker Interplane freq 139.875 active again...two aircraft loud and clear at this point but no callsigns heard.
2011: SCARY flight leader to BayWatch on 354.8 to say the flight of three will be ready for the tunnel to Andrews in about 5 minutes. Also says they've rejoined.
2015: More refueling on 228.0...in the block 190-210 for their work.
2015: SCARY flight gathering at 6,000 feet for their trip home. 143.6
2016: SCARY with BayWatch on 354.8 to pick up their clearance home.
2019: U/I activity on 301.6 which is the Duke MOA primary freq.
2022: SCARY flight picks up the ATIS info and give the command to degoggle. 143.6
2023: SCARY flight to TRACON on 335.5 in non-standard formation
2023: SAM flight and probable AF1 on SAM Interplane freq 136.725 as they descend.
Ramp freezes for Andrews:
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE. 13 OCT 01:50 UNTIL 13 OCT 02:20
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE. 13 OCT 01:25 UNTIL 13 OCT 01:55
2032: SCARY flight to ADW Tower on 349.0 report radar recovery heading for ILS approach to runway 1R for full stop landing ... six miles out...all report gear down, full stop
2033: SAM 94 to ADW Approach 119.3 to report field in sight.
2036: SAM 94 giving descent/landing info to the big guy on interplane freq 136.725...reports light chop only.
2036: SAM 94 to ADW Tower 118.4 to report nine miles out
2038: SAM 94 reports gear down 118.4
2038: SWITCH 11 calling Potomac Approach on TRACON freq 322.3 (many calls, no joy) There are at least two of them in the flight and decide they should switch to 257.875 wich is Dover Approach....and do switch there. (Just heard a very brief transmission but couldn't copy it)
The only thing I have for SWITCH is F/A-18C VFA-151, CVW-2, NAS NORTH ISLAND CA
2042: Believe it's the SWITCH flight now with TRACON on 335.5...report wingmen are maintaining separation...report field in sight....ask to switch to tower now....asks if it's 118.4
Monitoring both 118.4 and 349.0 but hearing nothing from this flight
2052: U/I but probably AF1 says he's still a few minutes out...guess he's talking to SAM 94 on the ground at Andrews.
2053: Here he is....Air Force 1 with Andrews Tower on 118.4 heading for runway 1R.
2055: Air Force 1 reports cleared to land, full stop runway 1R. 118.4

And that's the end of the log for now.


Ref Below): Jack, the "tunnel" is simply a block of airspace from Point A to Point B. Usually, when they say they want a tunnel, they give the altitude block with it but didn't this time.
 
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The AF web page already has 2 pics from today's T-Bird practice..

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123028946

Also into McGuire this morning TORA 90 1020 local on CP 319.400
yesterday had TORA 89 with 30 k on fuel req 130k fuel.
callsign suggests Kadena KC-135s... Long way from home if true.
Both req customs.. Polar route? or just overseas mission.

HIRE 14,08 and 04 arrive McGuire around 1800-1830z.
callsign and offloads suggest McChord C-17s.

2137 local CRAB 56 rtb Martin State after doing appches at Dover 125.900.
#4 engine shut down due to gen failure rtb martin state 125.550 and also on
CRAB Ops 148.9250 FM for report.

DEECEE 43 and 44 currently doing TACAN appches at Dover on 132.425 before rtb Andrews.


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What is the "TUNNEL" back to andrews. I have heard many times but I
don't know It's meaning.

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1722Z 279.575 Potomac APP - THUNDERBIRD 1 () - 2000' initial rolling out 360 heading to the initial at ADW. *heard DRAGO 51 in here as well but not sure who was using that callsign now. THUNDERBIRD 1 confirmed at this time.

I'm not good at translating Zulu time, but I heard something very loud fly over downtown Silver Spring about 12:30. Could this have been Thunderbird1?

We're on UTC-4 until the end of the month - that would be about 1:22 local. Z=Zulu time, another term for UTC. Looks like it's a possibility,altho I would think they could cover that distance between Silver Spring and Andrews in quite a bit less time, unless they were hanging around after the flyby.

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That poses an interesting question....will MAPLE keep their detachment at Shaw at the same time they have the operating detachment at Langley? We're also going to have to learn the CAP callsign for the Vermont F-16s when they get selected for the duty.

And, yes, the MAPLE 01 that came through a couple of days ago was a single ship headed to Shaw.
 
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