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[CitationJet]

Hi guys,

Back it it this afternoon for a little bit...

10.30.2006

1941Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VENUS 92 (VC-25A 92-9000 89th AW) - multiple option apps to 19L.
2011Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ARMY 01053 (UC-35C 00-1503 OSACOM Andrews) - deps ADW dir LDN QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650.
2019Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - EVAC 55145 (C-17A 05-5145 729th AS AFRC March) - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
2021Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - HAWK 32 () - 1800' for 3000' dir Brooke VOR QSY 124.650.
2042Z 119.300 Potomac APP - NAVY JU 833 (C-9B VR-56 NAS Oceana) - @ 3000' on the app for 19L @ ADW. QSY Andrews TWR 118.4 for the landing.
2055Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VP-BKS (B767-300ER VP-BKS Kalair) - 7 DME for the visual to 19L.

2113Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 532 (C-21A) - t/off time ADW 2108Z.
2152Z 119.300 Potomac APP - VENUS 21 (C-20 86-0201) - 4000' for 3000' for the missed app procedure, then requests an ASR 19L full stop if
TWR has staffing, if not will do a couple more apps then quit.

 

[TinEar]

1941Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VENUS 92 (VC-25A 92-9000 89th AW) - multiple option apps to 19L.

That kind of surprised me Tony. I honestly didn't know Air Force 1, aka SAM (2)9000 worked the VENUS callsign too. I guess it makes sense when training such as he was doing per your log item. Interesting. Learned something new today.

Didn't get to do much monitoring today - just a little this afternoon and didn't hear too much. There were F-16s from the NJ-ANG Atlantic City out in W-107 working their tac freqs 138.425 and 138.875 in the mid-1300 hour. Also heard an INVADER JACK 250 with Giant Killer in W-72 using 233.7 around 1400. Also early in the 1400 hour was a REACH 559 working with Puerto Rico on 11175. I also ran across the Northrup Grumman test flight freq 123.2 where there was a DRAGON 1 talking with Dragon Ground. DRAGON 1 went to Patuxent to work area R-4006 and checked in there on 270.8. He mentioned that Saberliner 168W (N168W) would be along in about a half hour to work with him. I never heard the registration number used by DRAGON 1 so don't know which aircraft he was. And that was about it.

 

[nightwatch]

uk milair feeds

there are three new uk milair feeds that are up from 5am till 6pm or so,and there very busy.http://scanmilair-dc.com/

 

[CitationJet]

10.31.2006

1236Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 163 (C-21A 84-0115) - 15 mins. out after hold at OTT burning fuel due maint. prob.

1340Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 163 (C-21A 84-0080) - dep. time of 1330Z and please notify Command that tail # is now 84-0080 instead of 84-0115 due to maint. sub.
1349Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - BOXER 48 (201st AS DC ANG) - deps ADW to 15000' dir HAFNR QSY 121.050.
1356Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - NAVY 7C 402 (UC-12B NAS Oceana Norfolk Flt. Det.) - visual app to 19L.

***I had been wondering why the regular PAT and NAVY 7C shuttle flights that operate into Davison AAF have been using Andrews recently...just had the time to check the NOTAMs:***

KDAA DAVISON AAF

M0246/06 - RUNWAY 14/32 CLOSED TO FIXED WING A/C, HELICOPTER OPERATIONS AUTHORIZED TO APPROACH MINIMA ONLY, NO TOUCHDOWN/LANDINGS AUTHORIZED, MEN AND EQUIPMENT ON RW DUE TO CONSTRUCTION. 24 OCT 16:40 2006 UNTIL 13 NOV 11:00 2006.

1421Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - EXECUTIVE ONE FOXTROT - QSY 121.050.
1431Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 623T () - deps ADW to 17000' QSY 123.825.

1526Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - EVAC (4)8153 () - deps ADW to 14000' QSY 118.675.
1532Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - FLIGHTCHECK 77 (Be300 N77 FAA) - QSYs to 126.300 conducting a recorded run of the VOR app to rwy 14 @ DAA. Next destination is Warrenton. Finishes checks and goes back to 118.950 and QSYs 124.650 @ 1554Z. DAA instrument approaches remain off the air as NOTAMed.
1534Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - SAM 0860 () - deps ADW dir HAFNR to FL210 QSY 121.675.

 

[TinEar]

0641: REACH 633T calling Andrews Command Post several times...no joy...378.1
0646: REACH 633T makes contact with ADW, gives arrival message....due in the blocks on the hour (0700 local), IDs as a C-17, A-1 status, no cargo, 8 pax and 5 crew members...told to park in 12 row.
0657: JOSA 238 with Andrews (missed msg)...378.1

0704: REACH 609T arriving Andrews...A-1, 9 crew...378.1
0709: REACH 633T with ADW Tower on a 4 mile final for runway 19L...118.4
0713: REACH 609T asking ADW CP about configuring the aircraft for his upload cargo...378.1

Andrews ramp freeze scheduled for today (1Nov06):
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 01 NOV 19:05 2006 UNTIL 01 NOV 19:35 2006
And the runway out of service:
RUNWAY 01L/19R CLOSED. 14 OCT 10:00 2006 UNTIL 30 NOV 23:59 2006

 

[CitationJet]

11.01.2006

1412Z 128.425 IAD TWR West - PAT 1263 (C-12T 85-1263) - deps rwy 30 QSY 125.050 init alt. 6000'.

1513Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - MARINE 206 (UC-12B 161206 MASD Andrews) - deps ADW dir CSN to 16000' QSY 118.675.
1513Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - EVAC 00345 (KC-135T 60-0345 314th ARS AFRC) - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650.
1522Z 279.575 Potomac APP - DRAGO 51 - to 5000'
1522Z 279.575 Potomac APP - DRAGO 54 - 100 degree heading and ADW in sight.
1528Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 633T (C-17A) - deps ADW to 11000' then has a maint issue and is vectoring and descending at the moment (1545Z). Will decide if they need to RTB.
1551Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - EVAC 60413 (C-130H 86-0413 758th AS AFRC) - dep time ADW 45 past the hour.
1553Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 633T (C-17A) - maint issue resolved climbs to 11000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
1556Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - REACH 633 calling REACH 634 here then...
1556Z 319.400 () - REACH 633 to REACH 634 - gets the right freq then passes maint message re: the above on to the 634 flight. Question: is this freq also used as REACH common freq by any chance?

1600Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 634T (C-17A) - deps ADW init. alt. 5000' then cleared to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
1603Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 1270 (C-12T 85-1270 OSACOM VA RFC Davison - temp based out of ADW due DAA runway closure) - QSYs from 118.400 deps ADW to 5000' then to 12000' dir GVE then requests training clearance for 20 mins @ 12000' @ GVE QSY ZDC-Azalea 135.4.
1631Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - REACH 609T () - a/b at this time.
1632Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 609T () - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
1640Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ARMY 01053 (UC-35C 00-1053) - deps ADW dir FLUKY QSY 121.675.
1645Z 119.300 Potomac APP - PAT 408 () - 3000' for 2000' then QSYs to ADW TWR 118.400 for the visual to rwy 19L.

1715Z 119.300 Potomac APP - ARMY 10301 (UC-35C 01-0301) - cleared for the ILS app to rwy 19L.
1737Z 119.300 Potomac APP - MARINE 206 (UC-12B 161206 MASD Andrews) - 4300' for 2000' ADW in sight, dir ADW cleared for the ILS 19L app.
1759Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - PAT 408 () - deps ADW QSY 118.950 @ 2500' init. alt. to 12000'.

1800Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - PAT 321 (C-12U 96-0089) - on final app, C-12 #60089 four pax req 300 gals fuel releasing five seats to next dest. DEC.
1803Z 119.300 Potomac APP - PAT 321 (C-12U 96-0089) - cleared for the visual app to 19L.
1804Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - PAT 321 (C-12U 96-0089) - cleared to land 19L.
1815Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - REACH 0173 (C-17A 00-0173 62nd AW McChord) - off ADW at this time.
1817Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 0173 (C-17A 00-0173 62nd AW McChord) - deps ADW to 17000' QSY 123.825.
1820Z 119.300 Potomac APP - PAT 349 () - @ 3000'.
1830Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - SMX 01 (???) - deps ADW to 17000' QSY 118.675 then ZDC-Linden 120.650.
1838Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - CODY 01 (C-5 445th AW AFRC Wright-Patterson) - deps ADW to 17000' dir GINYA QSY 118.675.
1857Z 118.400 Potomac DEP - AIR FORCE TWO (C-32A 89th AW) - deps ADW QSY 118.950 @ 1900' then cleared to 17000' QSY 123.825.

1912Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 629T () - deps ADW cleared to 17000' dir LDN.
1922Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ARMY 10301 (UC-35C 01-0301) - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650.
1927Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY AX 080 (C-130T VR-53 NAF Washington) - deps ADW to 12000' QSY 123.825.
1933Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 321 (C-12U 96-0089) - deps ADW 1000' for 3000' then cleared to 5000'.

2020Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY 200 (C-20) - deps NSF to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
2028Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ARMY 1778 (C-37B 04-1778 OSACOM/PAT Andrews) - deps ADW to 11000' QSY 121.050.

2100Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - MARINE 767 (UC-35D 166767 MASD Andrews) - deps ADW dir HAFNR QSY 121.050.
2113Z 257.200 Potomac DEP - MISTY 1 (F-15, 110th FS, St. Louis ANGB) - deps ADW to 17000' QSY ZDC-Linden 319.100.
2115Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 178 () - deps ADW dir LDN QSY 118.675.
2127Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 351 () - deps ADW to 12000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
2129Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 2402 (C-12T afternoon LFI-DAA (temp ADW) shuttle) - checks in @ 6000' for ADW QSY 119.850 then 119.300 where he's cleared for the vis. to 19L.
2135Z 119.850 Potomac APP - NAVY 7C 223 (UC-12B NGU afternoon shuttle) - checks in then quickly sent to 119.300.
2145Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - NAVY 7C 223 (UC-12B NGU afternoon shuttle) - lands rwy 19L.

2212Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 08 (UH-60 Davison) - deps DAA dir Brooke VOR to 4000'.
2216Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY RS 304 (C-9B VR-61 NAS Whidbey Island) - deps ADW dir LDN to 17000' QSY 118.675.
2218Z 119.300 Potomac APP - CATBIRD - (C-20A 83500 NASSIG ETD) - for the ILS 19L QSY 118.400.
2220Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - SAM 0868 () - deps ADW QSY 118.950 to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
2235Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - PAT 2403 (C-12T shuttle) - deps ADW.
2240Z 119.300 Potomac APP - EXECUTIVE ONE FOXTROT (prob. C-20) - 3500' for 3000' for the ILS to rwy 19L.

2310Z 119.300 Potomac APP - JOSA 401 (C-21A) - @ 4000' for 3000' and cleared for the ILS to rwy 19L.
2310Z 119.850 Potomac APP - N2 (Ce560XL N2 FAA) - descending on the ELDEE1 arrival to DCA.

 

[TinEar]

Mid 1400 hour has a flight of three F-16s from the NJ-ANG, callsign DEVIL, working at the Patuxent Range around Vienna MD. They're using their 138.425 tac freq.
There is also activity at Warren Grove Range on 283.1;
a flight of A-10s from the MD-ANG on tac 142.3;
and F-16s from the VA-ANG, callsign TBOLT, on tac 141.875

1430: DEVIL 11 flight to ZDC-Cape Charles 256.8 to start their trip to Atlantic City...departing R-4006 at 17,500 feet direct ACY. ID themselves as a flight of three F-16s. Over on tac 138.425, they all report maintenance status as Code 1.
1434: DEVIL flight handed to ZDC-Kenton 354.15 where they check in at 17,500....DEVIL 2 comes back to tac 138.425 after picking up the ATIS report and notes active runway at ACY is 31.
1434: Believe the Warren Grove Range activity on 283.1 is the MD-ANG flight.
1436: DEVIL 11 flight change to U-6, Atlantic City Approach on 327.125 to descend into ACY...heading for 3000 feet.
Maybe they'll start coming to this area again for training. They've been working almost strictly up in W-107 for the past few weeks.
1441: U/I fighters on tac freq 140.7
1442: U/I fighters on tac freq 141.65...flight of at least three fighters
1445: Langley tac freq 257.075 active...F-22A activity.
1447: Langley tac freq 228.45 active with F-22A activity.
1448: ?TBOLT? flight leaving Giant Killer's area, currently east of HEELS, heading back to Richmond at 14,000 feet....238.1
This was not TBOLT per log item at 1512...had to be another Richmond callsign
1449: COWBOY (F-22A Langley) reports RTB to Giant Killer...heading for HEELS at 14,000 feet....238.1
1452: Another F-22A flight leaving GK's area and heading for Langley (missed callsign)

1512: TBOLT 11 flight leaving W-386 and heading for Richmond...changing to "5" (which should be Norfolk TRACON)....238.1
Someone pulled the plug and MilAir went dead shortly after 1500.
1528: There has been a pair of Navy aircraft working in the Pax area for the past half hour or so on Pax freq 256.5...the only ID on them has been 08 and 443. (Turns out to be TESTER 08...still no callsign to go with the 443 aircraft)
1541: Pair of A-10s from MTN heading home...currently on tac 142.3 (RAVEN flight of two)
1545: RAVEN flight to Martin State Tower to prepare for landing....121.3
1549: RAVEN flight cleared to land....121.3
The UHF Tower freq 297.2 at MTN is still out of service per NOTAM until further notice.
1550: RAVEN 1 and 2 report gear down, full stop....121.3

1618: MISTY 1 with ZDC-Linden 319.1 at flight level 17,000
1619: MISTY 1 requests higher when able...is cleared to FL 270....319.1
Not enough info to ID the callisgn...a half dozen possibilities for that callsign.
1622: MISTY 1 handed off to ZDC-Morefield 371.9 and checks in there at FL 270...then cleared to FL 280.
1629: MISTY 1 asking for direct to final destination - St. Louis....319.1
And that should give us an ID on the callsign -- F-15, 110th FS, St. Louis ANGB, MO
1636: A pair of aircraft - no callsigns used - on Coast Guard freq 345.0 mention contacting Baltimore Tower shortly. (monitoring BWI Tower 119.4 for a possible ID)
1638: Guard helicopter 559 with BWI Tower....119.4
This is probably 6559...unusual that he IDs as "Guard" rather than "Coast Guard" which would almost make you ID him as Army National Guard.
1643: BOLAR 01 with Dover CP giving arrival msg...due in at 5 past the hour, A-2, has 80 pax, needs tall stairs and transportation for the pax and also needs a K-Loader for 3 baggage pallets.
1643: One of the Coast Guard helos is 6559 with BWI Tower and says he's going to Martin State Airport...119.4
1647: The two Coast Guard helos are on Marine channel 23A...157.15...using 59 and 81 for IDs.
1648: The two Coast Guard helos are 6559 and 6581...now with Potomac (BWI) TRACON...119.0
Both helos are HH-65 types based at Atlantic City.
1649: Coast Guard 6559 and 6581 change to Martin State Tower...121.3...mention coming in for full stop landing.
1651: Coast Guard helo 6559 asks MTN Tower operator where the Sky Team 11 (Channel 11 TV) hangar is located on the base....121.3

1703: REACH 625 with Andrews for arrival msg...arriving 19 past the hour, A-1, 3 pax and no cargo for offload, needs 180(000) on the fuel and a parking spot...378.1
1706: CG helo 6559 with Coast Guard Baltimore on Marine Channel 23A (157.15) to report he's airborne again from Martin State and heading for Atlantic City with 5 pax on board and has 1 hour 5 minutes of fuel on board....he's then heard with TRACON on 119.0
1706: DEVIL 41 (F-16 NJ-ANG Atlantic City) with ZDC-Salisbury 257.7 checking in at FL 270 (and repeats that check in 5 times - obviously not being heard)
1709: DEVIL 41 has contact and is cleared down to FL 250...257.7
1711: DEVIL 41 cleared to FL 210...257.7
1713: DEVIL 41 flight handed to ZDC-Cape Charles 256.8 where he checks in at FL 210...cleared to Sea Isle. (Looks like the's heading home from wherever he's been.)
1715: DEVIL 41 cleared to 11,000 feet...256.8

End log for now. Back later.

 

[freqhopping]

With DCA and Davison towers I've been hearing what sounds like CENTER-3. Am I hearing that right? Who is it?

 

[TinEar]

1933: JOSA 401 to Griffin Command to report takeoff time as 0024Z...141.55
Ground station received well this evening. Last week, it seemed they used a new transmitter on the 141.55 freq and the signal boomed. It also had a distinct sound to it but lasted one day and then it was back to the old equipment - or that's the way it appeared. Wonder if it was just a test of something new?
1935: U/I flight with ZDC-Calvert 281.4 at 13,000 feet and separated by 10 miles.
1937: It's AERO 21 (F-16 NJ-ANG Atlantic City) that was with ZDC-Calvert...now handed off to ZDC-Kenton 354.15 where the flight checks in at 16,500 descending to 13,000 feet.
1940: AERO 21 asks if they're cleared direct Sea Isle...responds that he's cleared direct Atlantic City...354.15
1942: AERO 21 cleared from 13 to 10,000 feet...354.15...and at 1944 cleared to 9,000 feet.
1945: AERO 21 handed off to his next freq but didn't repeat it...but...found him with Atlantic City Approach on 327.125 where he checks in at 9,000 feet. (This has got to be a single ship flight. If it was more than one, he would have repeated the handoff freq for his wingman's benefit, plus, there has been no interflight chat freq active.)
1946: AERO 21 descending to 8,000....then a minute later cleared to 3,000 feet and starts fading out as he reaches that altitude....327.125
1952: ?DC 1? (KC-135R, 756th ARS, Andrews AFB) with ADW Tower...118.4 (Not sure of that callsign)
It might be TP 1.

2005: HOIST 93 Heavy (KC-10A McGuire) with Atlantic City Approach descending as he heads for McGuire...cleared to 7,000 feet...124.6
2008: SAM 0836 with ADW Tower for landing...118.4
2011: Sounds like EVAC 10189 (female) arriving at Andrews...378.1 (Very weak here) Heard her mention offload of patients and requesting 2 ambos - 1 to Bethesda and 1 to Walter Reed.
2012: REACH 2112 (female) w/arrival msg to Andrews CP...378.1
2014: REACH 2112 with ADW Approach 119.3 and then to Tower 118.4 for landing.
2023: EVAC 10189 gets assigned parking in 12 row...378.1
2037: EVAC 10189 (male voice) w/ADW Tower on 6 mile final for runway 19L, reports gear down...118.4
2042: ???? 30 w/ADW Tower...118.4 (mumbles...couldn't understand callsign after 4 tries)
2043: Northrup Grumman test flight freq active...123.225
2055: AR-220 primary 352.6 active with preparations for refueling ops.

 

[Mateo]

CENTER 3 might be Fetter 3, which is one of the traffic fleet around the area.

From Gravelly Point, I was hearing ADW ground-side on 141.55 this afternoon very clearly, which is not the norm.

Heard this afternoon 1650-1730 from Gravelly Point:
BOLAR 01 with DOV CP on 349.4
REACH 625 (C-17 seen) with 378.1, and then vectoring on 128.35, 119.3, and 118.4 (as were the others - all on the usual freqs)
CATBIRD 4 (seen) doing a whole bunch of practice approaches.
NAVY RS 304 departing and being vectored west before turning north
NAVY 7C 223 departing ADW
PAT 2402 arriving ADW

Also, a quick visual note - there were 4 Coast Guard HH-65s (the BLACKJACK flights) on the ground at DCA this afternoon; two on the ramp, and two in the hangar.

 

[NgoraSweatr]

Ok, going to Baltimore in the morning from Reading, PA with my pro-95 in tow. Was wondering what should I throw in there MilAir-wise that is on CivAir freqs...(118-137)?

Maybe a top 20 or 50 of the best VHF's for Military...please?

Thanks!

 

[ka3jjz]

Unfortunately without a good mobile antenna, your chances of hearing anything milair related in the civil air bands is very poor. 118.125, 125.375, 135.725 and 135.875 are all Giant Killer freqs (the first one being the best choice, although I've also heard commercial flights checking in with the GK controller on that freq, but it's not something I would think you could easily hear on a handheld unless you are in the right spot). If you're very lucky, 136.725 is the SAM interplane frequency - these are the flights that accompany AF1 when it travels.

Probably the best out of the lot is 121.5 - this is the ELT/Guard frequency, and once in every great while, you will hear a mil flight calling - more often, and I've heard this many times, a commercial flight will inadvertantly make a call on this freq, and someone will answer....most likely, your best bet is to program in the Potomac freqs for BWI that we have in our Wiki (and in the database), and listen in between the commercial traffic. Not the easiest type of listening, for sure.

There's a slim chance - depending on where you are in the Baltimore area (southern area being much better than the northern in this case...) that you might hear a little - just maybe - of the stuff that CitationJet reports. He's in Virginia, but on occasion, some of the flights he reports overfly this area and check in.

Bottom line, you would need a better handheld than the PRO95, and a very good mobile antenna to have a chance at MilAir in this area. Sri to be such a downer. 73s Mike

 

[wildbillx]

I was wondering how you type all the info. DO you record it and play back or type as you hear? Also what time table are you using? Thanks, Bill

 

[gcgrotz]

Not exactly mil related but interesting anyhow...

A Continental Airline Captain was just up on 127.700 ZDC giving his passenger speech
about delay due to wx and ATC.Ended with "Thanks again for flying Continental".
Guess he forgot to switch mic from ATC to Cabin PA.That happens from tiime to time.
Have heard Mil aircraft do the same..

Wow the other civilian airline pilots on same then chimed in with funny comments afterwards... Was hilarious moment in normally business like ATC.
"Thanks for the info buddy"
"He was nice to the ATC" etc..

Guess there is one laughing red faced Captain tonite..

Mark

Not as red faced as the guy that landed on the taxi way, unless it was the same guy?

 

[dehm]

11-02-2006 Log

11-02-2006 Logs
------------------------------
Key:
Potomac Consolidated TRACON (PCT)

118.400 - Andrews, AFB Tower [KADW]
118.675 - PCT DEP/APP (DCA Washington High Departure)
118.950 - PCT DEP (KDCA; WEST 9500' & BLO)
119.300 - PCT APP/DEP (Freeway Airport [W00])
119.850 - PCT APP/DEP (KDCA WEST APP (CLASS B); Davison [KDAA]; College Park Airport [KCGS]; Maryland Airport [2W5])
120.650 - ZDC (Linden)
121.025 - ZDC (Coyle)
124.550 - PCT APP/DEP (Easton/Newnam Field Airport [KESN])
125.650 - PCT APP/DEP (KDCA EAST 9500 ' & BLO); Andrews AFB [KADW]; Potomac Airfield [KVKX])
134.500 - ZDC (Swann)
------------------------------------------------------------
1556z/ AIR EVAC 153
.. 118.95 < 118.675 < 135.4

1607z/ REACH 632T
.. 118.675 < 120.65

1607z/ NAVY 101; Inbound Andrews; (1625z/ Clear to land ADW RWY 1R)
.. 118.675 < 119.85 < 119.3 < 118.4

1920z/ VENUS 21; Options landing ADW
.. 118.4

1921z/ PAT 728
.. 118.4 < 125.65 < 124.55 < 134.5 < 121.025

1939z/ BOXER 51; Touch-N-Go
.. 118.4

2002z/ PAT 095; For the Visual RWY 1R
.. 118.4

2009z/ BOXER 338; Full-stop RWY 1R
.. 118.4

--
I was going to ask what an option approach was but I was saved by google! I'll post my findings anyway to annoy everyone *cough* I mean to clarify any questions.
--
4-3-22. Option Approach (From The Aeronautical Information Manual [February 16, 2006])

The "Cleared for the Option" procedure will permit an instructor, flight examiner or pilot the option to make a touch-and-go, low approach, missed approach, stop-and-go, or full stop landing. This procedure can be very beneficial in a training situation in that neither the student pilot nor examinee would know what maneuver would be accomplished. The pilot should make a request for this procedure passing the final approach fix inbound on an instrument approach or entering downwind for a VFR traffic pattern. The advantages of this procedure as a training aid are that it enables an instructor or examiner to obtain the reaction of a trainee or examinee under changing conditions, the pilot would not have to discontinue an approach in the middle of the procedure due to student error or pilot proficiency requirements, and finally it allows more flexibility and economy in training programs. This procedure will only be used at those locations with an operational control tower and will be subject to ATC approval.

 

[TinEar]

I was wondering how you type all the info. DO you record it and play back or type as you hear? Also what time table are you using? Thanks, Bill

I can only speak to what I do. I enter the info as I hear it in real time. No recorder. I'm not sure what you mean by "time table" but I don't have one. Daytime is much busier than nights but I'll just do my listening/logging whenever I have the time.

Alan


1232: CRAB 52 (C-130J, MD-ANG Martin State Airport) trying to talk to Crab Ops on squadron freq 385.9. Ground controller tells him comms are bad on this freq and to try either 347.2 (Raven Ops) or 148.925 (Crab Ops VHF). At 1236, CRAB 52 tries the 148.925 freq to contact Crab Ops but has no joy after a couple of tries. I didn't hear him try the 347.2 freq.
1250: CRAB 52 calls Crab Ops again but this time he's mistakenly on the FSS freq 255.4. That's followed by a conversation between CRAB 52 and someone else that sounded more like an intercom conversation aboard the aircraft.
1254: VAQ-209 at Andrews squadron freq 280.2 active...no callsigns heard.
1254: ?TEAM? 40 Heavy with Atlantic City Approach descending from 10 to 8,000 feet for approach to McGuire...124.6
1257: Flight of fighters (no callsign used) just checking onto the Warren Grove Range...says his playtime expires at 1825Z...283.1 (Those short range times generally indicate an A-10 flight from Barnes or Bradley.)

1308: PAT 278 arriving Andrews and then going on to BDL (Bradley CT)...378.1 (On a subsequent transmission he used 728 for his numbers.)
1312: Callsign for the flight at Warren Grove Range sounds like WEASEL 21 (WEASEL 31 per msg below) which would make them a flight of A-10s from the MA-ANG at Barnes.
1330: There is also a DEVIL flight of two F-16s from the NJ-ANG at Warren Grove Range...283.1
1330: Also hearing the DEVIL (maybe) flight with ACY Approach 327.125 where they mention going to low level route VR-1709 and then R-5802
1332: Nope...it was a BANGER 21 flight of two F-16s of the NJ-ANG that was on 327.125...now they're with Millville Radio on FSS freq 255.4 to report entering VR-1709 for the next 25 minutes at 500 feet.
1334: The WEASEL 31 flight is working 138.3 tac (They used the callsigns so no doubt, however, this freq doesn't show as one of their presets.)
1342: WEASEL 31 flight calling Any Radio on FSS freq 255.4...believe they too mentioned VR-1709
1351: The BANGER pair of F-16s is now at Warren Grove Range...283.1
1354: Have what sounds like MESH 91 (MACE 91, thanks Tony) reporting his climb from 6300 to 11,000 feet and asking for a radio check on TRACON freq 257.2...no reply to a couple of calls. (I have nothing for that callsign)

1408: SALTY DOG 405 reporting in to Pax on "Button 8"....354.8
1409: BOXER 51 with ADW Approach...119.3
1412: Raven Ops talking to RAVEN A-10s on the ground at MTN...347.2 (I can only hear the ground station, not the aircraft.)
1414: Raven Ops talking to the aircraft on the ground about possibly moving to a spare jet...he also tells them they can't get any additional time at the range and must stay with what they've been assigned...347.2
1415: CRAB 52 with Crab Ops on 385.9 reporting 15 minutes out, 26(000) on the fuel and is A-2
1421: Raven Ops telling the aircraft on the ground he's arranging time for them at R-4006....347.2
1424: CRAB 52 to Crab Ops on 385.9 to say he's directly overhead now and will be on the deck in a few seconds.
1424: TOPCAT 2 Heavy (KC-135E 108th ARW, NJ ANG McGuire AFB) with Atlantic City Approach descending to 8,000 feet on his way to McGuire....124.6


Ref below: Thanks Curt for the confirmation of the callsign.

(I'm getting the feeling that the WEASEL callsign is either not being used by Barnes A-10s and that it's another unit, like NJ-ANG -- OR -- that WEASEL has been deployed to Atlantic City. I base that on the tac freq used by them 138.3 which does belong to the Atlantic City F-16s and carbineone's catching them working with Ops on 261.0 which is also a freq belonging to the NJ-ANG. Add in that I caught them going to VR-1709 which they'd never have time for if they were coming from/going back to Barnes. I have no record of NJ-ANG ever using that callsign in the past. However, things change. Will have to listen in the future for that callsign and where it goes. I also heard both the DEVIL and BANGER callsigns at Warren Grove so perhaps WEASEL either worked with them or it's simply another F-16 callsign assigned to the NJ-ANG. Add in that the flights were numbered DEVIL 11, BANGER 21 and WEASEL 31 which also makes it appear they were on the same flight plan...or that it was simply coincidence.)

Ending the log here. Will continue below if necessary.

 

[carbineone]

1303 weasel 31 and 32 working warren grove range 283.1
1304 Ground FAC today at Warren Grove callsign is Brama 283.1
1341 U/I working 260.9 calling Huntress asking for Bogey Dope
1341 ??072 reporting he has target plane in sight at 4400 260.9
1350 Dolphin 72 CG helo doing practice intercepts with Huntress off NJ coast 260.9
1359 weasel 32 with ops 261.0
1400 Dolphin 72 reports finished with practice for the day 260.9
1407 Unknown with NY approach 353.750 heading to Warren Grove
1409 Banger Flight with ops both code 1 10 minutes out 261.0
1430 Killer flight with Warren Grove 283.1

TinEar I will be at Warren Grove Tomorrow and can ID whatever is flying .

 

[CitationJet]

Re: CATBIRD 4

Hi Mateo,

I think you might have mixed this one up a bit with other transmission items - AFAIK, CATBIRD (C-20 830500) does not use a numeral in the callsign, only CATBIRD. I also heard a few CATBIRD transmissions yesterday, and again he only used CATBIRD, no numeral following. That has also been my experience any time I've heard CATBIRD in the past, dating back to 1995.

Best regards,

Tony

CATBIRD 4 (seen) doing a whole bunch of practice approaches.

 

[CitationJet]

So far today...

11.02.2006

1517Z 319.400 McGuire AFB CP - TEAM 78 (KC-10A 2/32nd ARS McGuire) - arr msg w/maint writeups.
1550Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - DC 91 (KC-135R 459th ARW AFRC Andrews) - deps ADW to 17000' dir AML VORTAC QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650.
1555Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - AIREVAC 153 () - deps ADW dir CSN to 15000' QSY 118.675.

1604Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 632T () - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.

1730Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 984 () - deps ADW to 8000'.
1735Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 717 (UC-35) - deps ADW dir HAFNR QSY 121.050.

1829Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - SAM 0860 () - ILS rwy 1R gear down full stop.
1840Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - JOSA 279 (C-21A) - deps ADW dir LDN to 17000' QSY 118.675.
1840Z 378.100 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 279 reports dep time off ADW 1836Z.
1845Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - MARINE 914 () - cleared for the option to rwy 1R.
1854Z 257.200 Potomac DEP - MACE 91 (F-16C 157th FS SC ANG McEntire ANGB) - deps ADW @ 6700' for 7000' re-cleared to 14000' dir GVE then lost him.

1900Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - VENUS 24 (C-20 86-0204) - deps ADW to 11000' dir CHO.
1900Z 378.100 SAM CP Andrews - VENUS 24 details off to CHO then PHF then back home.
1949Z 349.400 Dover AFB CP - REACH 0461 (C-5A 70-0461 89th AS AFRC) - arr msg, details then faded out completely.

2002Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - PAT 095 () - lands rwy 1R.

2111Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 095 - deps ADW dir GINYA QSY 118.675.
2112Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - EASY 716 (UC-35 MASD NAS JRB New Orleans) - 10 mis out on the app to rwy 1R.
2112Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VENUS 21 - approaching KIRBE for the NDB 1L circle to 1R, will fly the procedure turn. Requesting an ASR 1L after the option.
2121Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VENUS 24 - NDB 1L circle to 1R, full stop.

 

[TinEar]

1434: Raven Ops still talking to the flight of RAVENs on the ground...347.2
1435: Another flight is at Warren Grove Range...nothing to ID them yet...283.1
1439: Raven Ops still yakking with the RAVENs...telling them flight time must end no later than 1610...347.2
1439: HOIST 92 Heavy (KC-10A McGuire) with ACY Approach descending to 8000...then 7000 feet...reports on the Sea Isle 4 arrival (to McGuire)...124.6
Nothing at all seems to be flying from Langley today...kind of unusual for a weekday.
1446-51: REACH 0461 calling Dover Command Post...no joy...349.4
1449: BATON 20 (EC-130J, 193rd SOW, PA-ANG Harrisburg) with arrival message to Baton Ops...395.1
1453: REACH 0461 makes contact with Dover...wants info on his pallet weight for upload and says he'll need about 250,000 pounds of fuel but that depends on the upload weight....349.4
1454: MCGRUFF flight of A-10s from MA-ANG Barnes with ZNY-Dixie 307.8 at FL 230 (probably heading for Warren Grove Range.)
1456: MCGRUFF flight to Warren Grove to say they'll be there in 12 minutes...he also mentions COYOTE which might be a FAC callsign at the range...283.1
1457: DC ?91? (KC-135, 756th ARS Andrews) to LIBERATOR on 378.1 to report 30 minutes out, A-3, 20K on the fuel (LIBERATOR on 378.1 rather than 351.2???)

1501: MCGRUFF flight released by ZNY-Dixie 307.8 to contact the range....MCGRUFF says he'll see him on the way out.
1502: MCGRUFF contacts COYOTE at WGR to set up his targets....283.1
1510: RAVEN flight (A-10 MD-ANG Martin State) at Pax for their work...will be there for 20 minutes...354.8 (Didn't hear them on the way on a VHF tac freq so they're probably using low band FM)
1513: TESTER 11 at Pax...354.8
1514: PAT 2401 calling Andrews Base Ops...139.3
1530: Here comes Langley at last....BUGSY 31 (F-22A Langley) with Norfolk TRACON...370.925
1531: BUGSY 31, flight of two, to Giant Killer on 238.1 to work W-386 MARSA with a LYNX flight for the next 40 minutes on mission V-0211
1531: TOPCAT 03 (KC-135, 108th ARW McGuire AFB) on squadron freq w/BLACKJACK (no idea who that is - normally they talk to Torch Control or Foxtrot on the ground)...303.0
1537: LYNX 11 (F-22A w/Norfolk 370.925, change to "7" with Giant Killer on 238.1 to enter W-386 A-J for the next 45 minutes MARSA with MILLER 31...says they'll be working freq 391.2
Alll 3 callsigns - BUGSY, LYNX, MILLER have been previously IDed as F-22A aircraft.
1538: Langley tac 233.525 with F-22A activity...it's MILLER
1538: Langley tac 228.45 active with F-22A activity
1540: RAVENs report RTB VFR to BayWatch on 354.8
1549: Coast Guard Baltimore on 23A (157.15) talking to Coast Guard helo 6557 and also mentions 6585....both are heading for Atlantic City. 6585 belongs there but 6557 doesn't according to my CG Assets List.
1550: BUGSY 33 (F-22A Langley) w/ZDC-Cape Charles 256.8 at FL 210 requesting higher.
1554: And the two CG helos (6557/6585) are being heard chatting on CG freq 345.0
1555: BUGSY 33 enters GK's area on 238.1 to say he'll me MARSA with the other BUGSYs and with LYNX.
1556: BUGSY is the flight using tac freq 228.45

1600: End of this log...back later.

Remember when I posted all my freqs in the first 50 messages of this thread? I had a bunch of freqs labeled FMT in the 300 mHz range and we didn't really know what they were for. My info was that they were suspected to be associated with F-15s. Well, at 1543, I just heard one of the MILLER F-22A aircraft say to switch to FMT 003, Comm 2. Trying to find them. I still have them in one of my scanners and searching that bank but am hearing nothing...yet. Of course, FMT freqs for F-22As might not be the same as for F-15s.

TinEar I will be at Warren Grove Tomorrow and can ID whatever is flying.

Great Curt...that'll be neat. I'll look forward to your reporting - assuming they fly WGR tomorrow.