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[ka3jjz]

Hey Tin and list - I have 138.525 as Vt.ANG V17 interflight, not Ct.ANG - I could easily have this wrong, or it's a new usage - can anyone confirm?

Thanx Mike

 

[md_p97]

This just in

FAA TO ESTABLISH TFR OVER CAMBRIDGE ON FRIDAY
This message is to advise pilots in and near Cambridge,
Maryland, that the FAA is expected to issue a notam restricting flight
in the area during President Bush's planned visit on Friday,
January 26.

Based on information from the FAA, the president is scheduled to be
in the Cambridge area sometime on Friday. and it is anticipated that
the notam will establish a large temporary flight restriction (TFR)
limiting general aviation flight. Typically, these presidential
travel-related TFRs are 60 nautical miles in diameter (30-nm radius)
and contain one or more smaller general aviation no-fly zones

 

[TinEar]

FAA TO ESTABLISH TFR OVER CAMBRIDGE ON FRIDAY
This message is to advise pilots in and near Cambridge,
Maryland, that the FAA is expected to issue a notam restricting flight
in the area during President Bush's planned visit on Friday,
January 26.

Based on information from the FAA, the president is scheduled to be
in the Cambridge area sometime on Friday. and it is anticipated that
the notam will establish a large temporary flight restriction (TFR)
limiting general aviation flight. Typically, these presidential
travel-related TFRs are 60 nautical miles in diameter (30-nm radius)
and contain one or more smaller general aviation no-fly zones

It's only about a three hour CAP starting at 1130 and running until 1420 local time. Would they send PITMAN all the way from SC for such a short CAP? I sure wouldn't but I'm not the one that schedules these things. I'd pick the VT-ANG STYLE F-16s from the Langley Detachment.

NOTAM Number : FDC 7/1721
Issue Date : January 24, 2007 at 2302 UTC
Location : Cambridge, Maryland
Beginning Date and Time : January 26, 2007 at 1630 UTC
Ending Date and Time : January 26, 2007 at 1920 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
Replaced NOTAM(s) : 6/2550: This NOTAM temporarily supersedes FDC 6/2550 within the radius of this Temporary Flight Restriction.
Affected Area(s)
Area A
Airspace Definition:
TFR Center: 19.5 nautical miles from PATUXENT VORTAC(PXT) on the 050 radial (Latitude: 38º32'16"N, Longitude: 76º08'02"W)
Radius: 30 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not including FL(180)
Effective Date(s):
January 26, 2007 at 1630 UTC (January 26, 2007 at 1130 EST) - January 26, 2007 at 1920 UTC (January 26, 2007 at 1420 EST)
************************************************

Hey Tin and list - I have 138.525 as Vt.ANG V17 interflight, not Ct.ANG - I could easily have this wrong, or it's a new usage - can anyone confirm?

Mike, I said "possibly" CT-ANG. We haven't seen F-16s use Warren Grove recently - only the A-10s from MA/CT/MD/PA so I don't believe it was the Vermont F-16s. I thought I saw that interflight freq posted for the CT-ANG recently on another board but no telling. Let me ask someone up in New England and see what they have to say.
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[TinEar]

Couple of ramp freezes for Andrews tomorrow:
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 25 JAN 20:45 UNTIL 25 JAN 21:15
AIR TERMINAL RAMP FREEZE 25 JAN 13:50 UNTIL 25 JAN 14:20

And Langley closed for 30 minutes tomorrow afternoon due to an F-22A demo: (Take a look skyward if you live in that area)
AERODROME CLOSED EXCEPT FOR CONR MANDATORY SCRAMBLE ORDER OPERATIONS. F22 DEMO. 25 JAN 19:15 UNTIL 25 JAN 19:45

 

[Gemini]

Misc.

Sitting here at work reviewing my recorded audio for the day and cross checking aginst what you guys have noted.

143.875 - 14:22 - 14:31 - I had several verbal exchanges on the freq. No C/S heard not did I have enough to make an educated guess as to what thye were doing. I figured I would note as no one else seemed to have caught this today.

139.875 - 10:14 - Well Known Tanker Inteplane freq. Question. Have anyone noted as to whether or not this freq is generally used by a specific Squadron out of Mc Guire or is it a "WING" wide freq? Just trying to gain a better understanding of its usage.

264.55 - Just reviewed some recorded comms on the freq that brought something to mind I felt worth noting. PAX can be a confusing place to monitor at times as you might hear an aircraft talking with 3-4 different ground sites during any particular flight all on the same freq. For example, today on the freq I had Coast Guard 1711 (suspect C-130) up with ECHO on 264.55. Also they were up with BAYWATCH at the same time. as BAYWATCH keeps them abeast of the location in respect to area boundaries as well as locations of other aircraft in the area. Today I caught some ground comms from BAYWATCH advising that ADVISORY CTRL was a part of PAX APPROACH and would be taking over the responsibilities of BAYWATCH for the rest of the flight test as BAYWACH was getting ready to go home for the day. I just wanted to make note of this because I have seen posts from others, not necessarily on this list, who assume that BAYWATCH is the C/S for ADVISORY CTRL. At one time I thought the same thing. So the comms from today actually confirm that BAYWATCH is not ADVISORY CTRL but a separate entity altogether.

299.4 - Fight Test Freq for PAX. Groundside appears to be "DATA" which is common c/s for RTPS. "DATA" was directing the Test and the aircaft was following the directions. I also heard several refueling OPS being done by the test aircraft with a Tanker on the same freq. Pretty sure this is simply an RTPS freq for PAX but todays audio did not give enough of a warm fuzzy for the ID.

299.5 - Had 02 & 03 using this as interplane for apparent ACM. Likely out in GK as comms were weak and sporadic. No C/S heard nor references to GK or Area numbers though.

01:35 - Thanks for the C-130 confirmation Tin, They seemed to be doing alot of testing with a boat dropping Test Bouys from here all the way down to NORFOLK airspace as they BAYWATCH kept adving them to switch to NORFOLK freqs on the Southern end. BTW, They have been here a few days. I have heard them in/out of PAX airspace several times over the last couple of days.

01:48 - Just heard BLACKJACK 01 asking HUNTRESS for altitude of NEW TOI. COMMS very weak form here. I am not gong to be able to pull much out of it as BJ is breaking up bad. PC at the house is recording so I'll check in the AM.

138.425 -
13:55 - DEVIL, Flight of 4, up conducting apparent intercept training
14:20 - DEVIL 3 & 4 remaining for 1 more engagement. DEVILS 1 & 2 RTB for fuel, cleared off switch V-17, come up 138.875.
NOTE When discscussing the RTB referenced RTB "APPLE". I am assuming this is reference to ATLANTIC CITY (KACY)
14:29 - DEVILS have RTB Instructions from GK
17:50 - Freq active again. BICEPS 1 & 2 using as Interplane. Referenced winds at 145 knots and that if they punched out they would be in the Ocean.
19:05 - Last transmission

138.875
14:21 - DEVIL 1 & 2 come up on this freq V-17 and immediately push Uniform 19.
17:59 - Freq active again. Flight of 2. No c/s. Air Ground Attack training
19:28 - Last Transmission heard. Cleared to Atlantic City

142.3 -
13:55 - Flight of 2 interplane. No c/s heard. Weak Comms.
14:06 - Last transmission for this flight.
17:49 - New flight of 2 up using as interplane.
19:12 - Last Tansmission heard. Cleared RTB RWY 33 (KMTN)

 

[TinEar]

139.875 - 10:14 - Well Known Tanker Inteplane freq. Question. Have anyone noted as to whether or not this freq is generally used by a specific Squadron out of Mc Guire or is it a "WING" wide freq? Just trying to gain a better understanding of its usage.

143.875 - 1422 - 1431 - I had several verbal exchanges on the freq

Jeff, the best I've been able to determine is that 139.875 and 143.825 are both wing-wide interflight freqs for the McGuire tankers. However, they seem to only belong to the KC-10A aircraft. I can't remember the last time (if ever) I heard KC-135s from the 108th on those freqs. As you've no doubt also noted, those tankers often do the runup to AR ops on those freqs with their receivers in addition to tanker interplane chat.

And, you're correct about the 143.875 freq. I never caught it this afternoon and don't know who uses it.

 

[TinEar]

0043: BLACKJACK 1 (Coast Guard HH65) up with HUNTRESS...being sent after a TOI...139.7
This is part of the Falcon Virgo 07-04 Exericise scheduled for tonight.
0045: BLACKJACK 1 reporting he's "bugging out" west...139.7
Noise level still high on VHF tonight so no HUNTRESS comms copiable at the moment.
Nothing stirring on the runways at Andrews yet. Waiting for possible F-16 scramble. Waiting for any damn thing to happen. It's a very slow and quiet start to the exercise...that is unless this was a real scramble and NOT part of Falcon Virgo. We'll see soon enough.
0052: BLACKJACK 1 tells HUNTRESS they can either go back (home) or continue to orbit...says it's HUNTRESS' call...139.7

0112: So....after waiting another 20 minutes, there has been nothing further. These things sometimes slowly progress until 0400 or so. Not waiting up to see. Someone tell me tomorrow what happened.

0113: No sooner said that and here's BLACKJACK 1 with a new TOI...it's tracking 165 degrees at 100 knots...139.7
0115: BLACKJACK 1 has tally on target and understands he's to headbutt it north...139.7
0117: BLACKJACK 1 [BJ 1 from here on] told to "skip it"...says he's coming west...139.7
0118: BJ 1 asks HUNTRESS if he should RTB or anchor to the west...told to anchor in the west...139.7
0123: BJ 1 told by HUNTRESS to RTB...139.7
I'm sure he'll be up again at some point but I'm done.

Jeff...Coast Guard 1711 is indeed a C-130. I had him a few days ago self IDing as a C-130 while flying a SAR mission out in Giant Killer's area in the W-107/106/105 areas. He was listed on my Coast Guard Assets List as being stationed at Kodiak but said he was from Elizabeth City. And many thanks for the Pax ground station info.

 

[CitationJet]

An update and confirmation on SPAR 82 from 01.23.2007:

In a log from Alexandria IAP (AEX) on the 23th:

23-Jan-07 C-9C 73-1683 932nd AW 73rd AS in as "SPAR 82" RON

There you go, another one solved.

01.25.2007

1503Z 119.300 Potomac APP - VENUS 44 - conducting mult. pract. apps.
1512Z 257.200 Potomac DEP - WAMO 11 - deps ADW to FL200 vects for the climb QSY ZDC-Hagerstown 227.125 where he checks in level at FL200.
1513Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - JOSA 208 (C-21A) - deps ADW to 17000' dir GINYA to FL210 QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650.
1515Z 141.550 GRIFFIN CP Andrews - JOSA 208 - t/off time ADW 1508Z.
1528Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - EVAC 50984 (C-130H 65-0984 327th AS AFRC) - deps ADW to 12000' tfc advisory confirms a/c type as C-130 QSY 123.825 where he checks in @ 12000'.
1531Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - ARMY 1863 (C-37A 02-1863 OSACOM/PATD) - on the localizer to rwy 1L.
1549Z 257.200 Potomac DEP - GHOST 91 (F-16C 115th FW WI ANG) - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY ZDC-Linden 319.100.

1603Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 8009 (UC-35A 98-0009 OSACOM VA RFC Davison) - deps DAA QSY 118.950 @ 2000' rwy heading to 15000' dir FLUKY QSY 121.050.
1623Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 264 - @ 15000' cleared dir HAFNR and FL230 then dir GVE QSY ZDC-Montebello 121.675.

1707Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - SAM 93 (C-32A 99-0003 1st AS) - deps ADW to FL210 QSY ZDC-Linden 120.650. I believe AF 1 was ahead of him but cannot confirm that 100%.
1738Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - REACH 3800 (C-130E 63-7800 171st AS MI ANG) - deps ADW to 12000' QSY 123.825.

 

[HM1529]

Muir AAF report - 1/25/07

I had a meeting in Harrisburg, PA yesterday. After the meeting, I opted to head to Muir and stop there to eat my lunch on the way back east. No aircraft activity in the Bollen Range.

Sorry I posted this to a MD thread. There isn't much milair discussion in the PA category.
Let me know if this is a no no.


Here's what I saw/heard while I was there:

From the road, I could see 9 UH-60's, 3 CH-47's, and 4 UH-1's on the parking ramp. Since the airstrip is higher than the road, I could not see over the crest of the runway very well from where I was parked.

13:20 - Mystic 82 (UH-60) - discussing weather with ops on 49.95 while still on the parking ramp.

13:25 - Mystic 85 (UH-60) - comm check with Muir Ops on "Fox Mike" 49.95 while still on the parking ramp.

13:30 - Mystic 33 (UH-60) - requests overflight of the field from the east heading to the Western Test Area for maneuvers. I don't know where this bird was prior to him passing over the air field. May have come from RDG.

13:30 - Mystic 63 (UH-60) - requests comm check with tower on "Fox Flight" (flight following) 40.9 while still on the parking ramp.

13:41 - Guard 10260 (CH-47) - approved to the runway and the west field (adjacent to runway) by Tower 126.2

13:46 - Mystic 85 - approved to South Pad (south side of runway across from the firehouse...adjacent to the gravel lot I was in)from the parking ramp - 126.2

13:51 - Trooper 1 (Bell 407) - requested pesmission to transit the Class D heading northeast. Trooper 1 is a PSP helo based at Reading Regional Airport. During my meeting, I could see him circling briefly over the area north of where I was...he was somewhere near Linglestown Rd and Progress Ave just north of Harrisburg. Probably training.

13:52 - Mystic 82 - preparing for departure on Ground 121.625 with the controller.

13:55 - Mystic 33 - inbound for landing on 126.2

13:55 - Mystic 82 - told to hold short for the landing, then proceed to field on south side of runway. 126.2

13:55 - Guard 10260 - cleared for takeoff from the west field. He came up with Harrisburg approach, but I'm not sure where he headed. He went south and then I think he swung east toward Reading as I could hear someone working with RDG approach a little later that sounded just like 10260.

13:58 - Mystic 85 - cleared for takeoff from South Pad 126.2. Last three digits on the tail number are 725.

13:58 - Mystic 63 - cleared to South Pad. Tail number on this helo looked like 023430. Only the last three digits are easily readable (painted white) on the UH-60's. The rest are dull black. 126.2

14:08 - Mystic 82 - cleared for takeoff 126.2 (unknown destination)

14:16 - Mystic 63 - cleared for takeoff form the south pad enroute to KMDT for approach training 126.2

I left right about now. Enroute to the turnpike, I was listening to the birds work HBG Approach.

14:38 - Baton-53 (EC-130J) - working HBG Approach for approach practice. He kept referring to himself as Baton-20 and then he would correct himself to 55. He ended up taking a short trip out to Lancaster to turn around and practice and ILS approach with HBG. At one point, he called Ops on 395.100 and referred to himself as Baton-20 there with no correction this time. He was working HBG at the same time as Mystic 63.

Pretty busy hour compared to the last time I stopped there (saw nothing).

I didn't note the time, but I also heard a large group go active with range control on 41.400/412.850. They reported entering one of the ranges with 12 strykers, 1 humvee, and 6 SUV's. Not long after, I could see a large dust cloud kicking up to the east of the airfield.

I had some brief comms, possibly security related on 149.275. One unit was CSQ, the other had a TX PL of 123.0. One unit said he would be unavailable on the net due to a meeting, but the net was not ID'd. Another comm mentioned some civilian vehicles at a gate, so I assumed this was security related.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that there was also a C-130 from Pittsburgh working the HBG Approach for touch and goes. I was more focused on what was happening in front of me at Muir and never caught the callsign for this aircraft. I suppose it was from the 758th Airlift Squadron (AFRC).

 

[TinEar]

I had a meeting in Harrisburg, PA yesterday. After the meeting, I opted to head to Muir and stop there to eat my lunch on the way back east. No aircraft activity in the Bollen Range.

Sorry I posted this to a MD thread. There isn't much milair discussion in the PA category.
Let me know if this is a no no.

Ben, I appreciate anything you can post from up your way. That area is within my listening range and I'll gladly take anything that updates my knowledge of military flying. It's helpful to get an understanding of the flying units in that area. For instance, dparana [Dave] is up in northwestern Pennsylvania and provides an understanding of flights from this listening area that go to the Duke MOA in his backyard. I find it very helpful to know what the aircraft did while there and out of my listening range. It completes the picture. We've also got guys posting here from New Jersey, Virgina and West Virgina that provide the same type flight information that helps develop the full flight scenario for missions we can only partially hear in parts of Maryland. Likewise, someone could pop in here from across the country with comments that help us understand something that's new in this area but has been heard in their part of the country - or with an aircraft callsign that's common in their listening area. At best, we can only hear small portions of cross-country flights and often wonder what those aircraft did after flying out of listening range. I, for one, would appreciate knowing.

I find it no different than what we do within the state. For instance, Jeff is in southern Maryland, I'm somewhere in the middle, and Mark is in northeastern Maryland. So our listening abilities differ in what we can hear and we wind up complimenting each other's coverage and each other's understanding of various flights. State boundaries are nice if you're talking politics but they mean very little in the world of military flight. So...welcome aboard.

Alan

 

[Mark]

I second Alan's motion also!
State lines are fuzzy at best when it comes to milcoms.
Air crews pay no attention mostly so we don't either.
Some days I can get coms from 4 States in the region so makes it interesting.

Post away Ben and Thanks!

Mark

 

[Gemini]

Just waking up here.
01:16 - 262.95 - Have ECHO CNTRL advising there is a fire Alarm in the Bldg. Asking all test aircraft to stand by for further.
01:19 - 143.725 - (FM) Confirming used at PAX for HOT REFUELING PITS
01:20 - 262.95 - ECHO back in the Bldg. Advsing test aircraft they can go ahead. Fire Alarm still sounding over the mic. Someone overcooked popcorn
01:24 - 139.15 - just went active. Interflight
01:26 - 139.9 - Active as well. I think its DC ANG flight of 3
01:48 - 139.15 - WILDS push TACTICAL 337.225. I punched it in and yes they are on it. This a normal UHF for these guys? WIKI (http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Fleet_Area_Control_and_Surveillance_Facility_Virginia_Capes) has it as "337.225 Deconflict frequency" for Giant Killer -- FACSFAC VACAPES
01:48 - 351.2 - DC 42 making multiple calls to LIBERATOR. Must have called about a dozen times thus far with no results.
01:52 - 337.225 -WILD 1 & 2 "FIGHTS ON - FIGHTS ON". 'Possibly' training with HUNTRESS. Made comment "HUNTRESS ....PICTURE"
02:00 - 142.3 -Just went active
03:26 - 270.8- OSPREY 34 up . Also working 249.65 with a TANKER

 

[freqhopping]

1556- AF1 comms on 136.725
1603- 300.4 has become active.
1606-unk 8k ft passing Dulles. 136.725 I couldn't see anything except some DC-9s heading east.
1617-AF1 6k for 8k 119.85 Low clouds and snow have blown in so I can't see AF1.
1621- AF1 at 6k 119.85

 

[TinEar]

01:48 - 139.15 - WILDS push TACTICAL 337.225. I punched it in and yes they are on it. This a normal UHF for these guys? WIKI (http://wiki.radioreference.com/index...rgi nia_Capes) has it as "337.225 Deconflict frequency" for Giant Killer -- FACSFAC VACAPES

Jeff, the DC-ANG F-16s usually use the 337.225 freq when they go up to Giant Killer's W-107 area. Generally, two flights will perform their mission on their interflight freqs and use the 337.225 for a "common" coordinating freq. They use it the same way the NJ-ANG guys use 312.3 while there. Both are among the many of GK's tactical freqs.

 

[md_p97]

2215 139.7000 BlackJack 1 is up!
2243 Dunnno what happened....haven't heard a peep since. First comm was with a controller who replied something to the effect of "got ya on the scope"

 

[Gemini]

Jeff, the DC-ANG F-16s usually use the 337.225 freq when they go up to Giant Killer's W-107 area. Generally, two flights will perform their mission on their interflight freqs and use the 337.225 for a "common" coordinating freq. They use it the same way the NJ-ANG guys use 312.3 while there. Both are among the many of GK's tactical freqs.

Thanks Tin, with me just getting back in the game here. This seemed unusal for me to hear them using the Deconflict freq. Or at least what I "used" to know as the Deconflict freq.

 

[Mateo]

Heard this afternoon at what quickly and unexpectedly became a snowy Gravelly Point:

1643: -141.55- "Attention [something]; all codes are cancelled." I would assume that this meant the end of the AF1-related ramp freeze.
[1645: -141.55- A JOSA getting his parking space - didn't jot down the number]
1647: -119.85- ARMY 10301 (UC-35 01-0301) vectors for ADW ILS 1L.
[1650: saw the familiar 3-helo Marine 1 flotilla. As usual, one went straight to the Eagles Nest, while the other two continued to the South Lawn. I'm not up on DCA Tower while I'm there, but 120.75 is the standard frequency.]
1655: -118.95- DC 43 heavy (KC-135R seen) is radar contact and turned to 270 for the climb.
1656: -378.1- DC 43 to LIBERATOR reporting airborne at 2152.
1704: -124.7- PAT 2402 is cleared for the ILS 32 at DAA.
1721: -378.1- DC 44 (KC-135R seen) was airborne at 2220. [picked it out through the snow and broken clouds]
1722: -118.95- DC 44 heavy turns to 270, 310, a climb, and handoff to 123.82.

 

[HM1529]

Turned the radio on this morning and both the Bollen and Warren Grove ranges are active.

I believe I heard a FLYER flight of 2 at Warren Grove. Not sure who is at Bollen, but it might be another flight of KNXX A-10's. 09:30

143.250 in use A-A. This is Victor 02 for the KNXX A-10's. Discussion on lasing targets...probably the FLYER flight at Warren Grove. 09:46

 

[CitationJet]

01.26.2007

1436Z 119.300 Potomac APP - VENUS 21 - maintain 3000' until est. cleared ILS 1L QSY 118.400 5 mi final gear down.
1451Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - ANVIS 21 (DHC-6 82-23836 Night Vision and Electronic Sensors Directorate Davison) - 12 nms. S for landing DAA rwy 32.
1458Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY AX 200 (C-130T VR-53 NAF Washington) - deps ADW to 5000' dir CSN cleared to 14000' QSY 118.675.

1515Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - BLACKJACK 1 (USCG HH-65) - deps DAA.
1536Z 257.200 Potomac DEP - SHOOTER 11 (F-16C/J 20th FW Shaw) - deps ADW dir GVE to FL230 QSY ZDC-Montebello 284.700 then cleared to FL270 but stopped at FL260.

1614Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - MARINE 758 - deps ADW to 11000' QSY 121.050.
1620Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY 200 - deps ADW 2000' to 5000' init. alt then cleared to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
1639Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 581 - deps ADW rdr contact 3 nms. N of ADW maintain 3000' then cleared to 5000', 11000'; dir LDN to 17000' QSY 118.675.
1650Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 506 - deps DAA QSY 118.950 700' for 2000' dest. ADW req. 1L app. QSY 119.300.

1738Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - MARINE 474 (UC-35D 166474 MASD Andrews) - on a 6 mi. final to rwy 1R.
1739Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - ARMY 1944 (C-37A 97-1944) - deps ADW to 11000' dir HAFNR QSY 121.050.
1744Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY JS 486 (C-9B VR-46 NAS Atlanta) - deps ADW 1000' for 3000' cleared to 5000' 11000' then to 17000' dir GINYA join J149 QSY 118.675.

 

[TinEar]

Seems to be a very quiet day in the MilAir world - at least for the past hour or so that I've been listening. There doesn't seem to be a matching CAP for the TFR over Cambridge that's now active. And that leads me to mention something....I think when some of these nearby TFRs indicate a VIP restriction (such as Wilmington and now Cambridge), they are protected by the attack helos we've heard using callsign HARRIER up around Camp David to augment the fighters at that location. That's just a guess on my part but we really haven't had any supporting information for those flights. I've copied one reference by the CAP fighters giving a description of HARRIER being a helo. However, we don't know what type helo, we don't know where they are stationed or when they move and don't even know what service they belong to. Next time we have a Camp David CAP, it would be extremely helpful if those nearest to that location try to monitor all the helos going into the area. Maybe we can get it figured out.

1143: Just want to mention I just heard NAVY SD 536 [female] calling Washington Center on 385.4. She never got an answer - rightfully so. This is the old freq for ZDC-Hagerstown that has been changed to 227.125. Don't know if she was sent to 385.4 by a controller (more than likely) or if she just had the old freq in her radio as a preset.
By 1152 she's now with ZDC-Calvert on 281.4 (She's a SALTY DOG aircraft from Pax)
1154: Now she's with Pax Approach on 120.05

1229: DRAGNET (AWACS E-3 Tinker AFB OK) with Giant Killer 233.7 talking about various fighter flights - HAWK 51, AMBUSH and DRAGON (probably all F-18 flights from Oceana). Considering the freq, this activity is probably down in W-72 or W-122 - well to my south.
1232; The DRAGNET aircraft is now working on 288.4 but is getting weak.
1236: DRAGNET is giving the lat/longs for various tracks he sees on his scope...signal is now down in the mud and even with an open squelch I can't copy him.
1242: DRAGNET has faded from my scanners totally so I pulled up the 288.4 freq on the R8500 and can hear him there.
1243: DRAGNET now with Giant Killer on 233.7 talking about the HAWK 51 flight...says they'll be there from 1800-1845Z...will be working in W-72 areas 2-A/B and 3-A/B.
1300: SNIPER 11 flight with Norfolk TRACON...370.925
1301: SNIPER 11 flight with Giant Killer to enter W-386H...249.8
Not sure about the SNIPER callsign but would call him from Langley and put the F-15 label on him.
1302: SNIPER 11 mentions being MARSA with MILLER (Langley F-15) and ???? (faded)...249.8
1303: Langley interflight freq active...233.525
Seems we've had some new Langley callsigns recently. Either they are new or are being pulled from an old list before we began compiling them.
1308: DEUCE 52 (KC-10A McGuire) calling Andrews Metro...344.6 (Couple of calls, no contact)
1311: Now DEUCE 52 is just calling "Metro" (no Andrews)...x3, still no joy...344.6
1316: DEUCE 52 continuing his calls to "Metro" several times...same result - nada...344.6
Gotta give him credit, he's persistent...15 calls now and he's still trying. You'd think he'd try Dover 342.0 or McGuire/Langley 239.8. Nope...staying on 344.6.
1339: NJ-ANG F-16s active on interflight freq...138.425
1341: And fighters on 138.2 interflight...probably also from the NJ-ANG
1343: DEVIL 11 flight with Atlantic City Approach...327.125
1344: DEVIL 13 (making this at least a flight of 3 F-16s) with ZDC-Casino 285.4
1345: Flight leader on 138.425 sends his wingman to Ops to see if "The Grove" is available
1345: Pilot asking Ops if The Grove is available (Willow or Warren?)...261.0 (Not sure if this is the DEVIL flight) Apparently, he's told they're busy for the next hour.
1347: Flight on 138.425 is indeed the DEVIL flight...they mention waiting to find out about the Grove...138.425
I believe that DEVIL is a 4-ship flight with 11/12 working together and 13/14 working together.
1348: DEVIL 12 mentions to Ops that R-4006 is closed to them...261.0
1349: Believe it's part of one of the DEVIL flights with ZNY-Modena 335.6 and he mentions the freq he should contact ZNY on when leaving some area that turns out to be 338.3 ZNY-Williamsport.
1352: SENTRY 61 (E-3 Tinker AFB OK) (this is probably the front end for DRAGNET heard earlier with Giant Killer) calls "Any Radio" on FSS freq 255.4. Makes contact with someone and wants wx for Tinker AFB for 2200Z.
1353: The two F-16s pilots on 138.2 chatting about old times....still no callsign heard from that pair but suspect it's the other two DEVILs.
1355: One of the DEVILs, while on 285.4 with ZDC, mentions going to U-12 which is the FSS freq.
1356: DEVIL 1? to Any Radio...255.4
1357: DEVIL 13 calls Any Radio on FSS...255.4 (x2, no reply)
1358: DEVIL 13 calls Any Radio on FSS...255.4 (No reply)
1358: DEVIL 13 to Any Radio on FSS...transmitting in the blind...Flight of two F-16s to enter V-705 A-I, from 500 to 1500 feet at 420 knots...will be in V-705 from 1900-1925Z...255.4
This must be the same flight asking ZNY-Modena which freq to use when they come out of some area. So, expect them to be with ZNY-Williamsport 338.3 when they climb to altitude out of V-705.
And, corresponding with this, the 138.2 freq disappeared which means DEVIL 13/14 are on that freq. DEVIL 11/12 are the pair on 138.425 and still being heard after 1400.

1408: DRAGNET VICTOR [female] calling "NORTHERN LIGHTS on AICC"...364.2 (x2, no joy)
1414: Could just hear part of a transmission on FSS freq 255.4...speaker identified as a flight of two A-10s and mentioned Dover AFB and that's all I could pick out from the fading signal.
1415: Have a flight of two A-10s from MD-ANG on interflight freq...142.3 (Same ones from 255.4)
1420: SALTY DOG 122 (VX-23 Patuxent) calls Giant Killer to report RTB Patuxent NAS...249.8
1424: Raven Ops talking to a flight that must still be on the ground at MTN. Perhaps in the air soon...347.2
1425: U/I flight (must be DEVIL 13/14 considering the time) with ZNY-Williamsport 338.3
1426: DEVIL 11/12 talking about weapons expenditures...not sure which range they're at...138.425
1428: DEVIL 13/14 on interflight freq...138.875

1430: The noise is driving me nuts again today and this is becoming a chore...sooooo....that's the end of the log for now unless the sky falls or some significant event happens like the start of another World War.

Ref below: Time 1349L/1849Z??? Jeff that was no doubt one of my strange DEVIL flights checking in on 138.875 - probably the ones from 138.2 which they always seem to have trouble with. Missed the Shaw guy.