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1230: They are currently SB towards Frederick Airport.
12:53: Saw them go past. Arriving at Frederick Airport.
 
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Perhaps....at 12:00, 12:05, and 12:10 I had a Mussel flight go by my office all flying VFR at about 300 agl.

It is like soup out here in Germantown. And judging by the way they were flying, it would be tricky at best to get into the Catoctin Mt.

But unlike last time, I did not pick up any pireps.

Paul

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1903Z 126.300 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 728 - deps DAA 1500' to 2000' QSY 118.950 cleared to 5000' dir GRUBY QSY 126.400.
1915Z 128.350 Potomac APP - SPAR 82 (C-37A 310th AS MacDill) - on the ILS rwy 1L QSY 118.400 8.5 DME on the ILS app.
1918Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - COBRA 70 (OC-135B 61-2670 Open Skies 45th RS) - deps ADW to 17000' QSY 123.825.
1923Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - EVAC 33126 (C-17A 03-3126 305 AMW McGuire) - deps ADW cleared dir FLUKY to FL210 QSY 121.675.
1945Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - SAM 1078 - deps ADW to 17000' QSY 118.675.
1959Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY 7C 222 (UC-12B afternoon DAA-NTU shuttle) - deps DAA to 5000' dir GRUBY.
 
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This Just In:

A special notice to pilots in the Washington, D.C., area


==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==

AOPA PRESIDENT TO PILOTS: REMAIN CLEAR OF ADIZ DURING STATE OF UNION
AOPA President Phil Boyer urges pilots flying around the Washington,
D.C., area to exercise extreme caution on Tuesday, January 23, during
President Bush's State of the Union address. This has been declared a
national security event, prohibiting general aviation flight within
the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone from 8 p.m.
local until 11 p.m. local.

"We don't want GA making headline news after the president's address,"
Boyer said. "It is up to each of us as pilots to be responsible, check
notams, and stay clear of the Washington, D.C., ADIZ."

Because TFR airspace frequently changes, AOPA strongly encourages
pilots to obtain a briefing and CHECK NOTAMS before every flight.



and here is the Official NOTAM:
!FDC 7/0381 ZDC PART 1 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS WASHINGTON, DC, JANUARY 23, 2007. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14, CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, SECTIONS 91.141 AND 99.7 SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS, EFFECTIVE 0701240100 UTC (2000 LOCAL 01/23/07) UNTIL 0701240400 UTC (2300 LOCAL 01/23/07). A. THE DC ADIZ IS THAT AIRSPACE, FROM THE SURFACE TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180, WITHIN THE OUTER BOUNDARY OF THE WASHINGTON, DC TRI-AREA CLASS B AIRSPACE AREA AND THAT ADDITIONAL AIRSPACE CONTAINED WITHIN AN AREA BOUNDED BY A LINE BEGINNING AT 383712N/0773600W THENCE COUNTER CLOCKWISE ALONG THE 30-MILE ARC OF THE DCA VOR/DME TO 384124N/0762548W THENCE WEST ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE WASHINGTON DC TRI-AREA CLASS B AIRSPACE AREA TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING. B. THE WASHINGTON DC METROPOLITAN AREA FLIGHT RESTRICTED ZONE (FRZ) IS DEFINED AS AN AREA BOUNDED BY A LINE BEGINNING AT THE WASHINGTON (DCA) VOR/DME 300 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15 NM 385655N/0772008W THENCE CLOCKWISE ALONG THE DCA 15 NM ARC TO THE DCA 022 DEGREE RADIAL AT 15NM 390611N/0765751W THENCE SOUTHEAST VIA A LINE DRAWN TO THE DCA END PART 1 OF 4
 
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This Just In:

A special notice to pilots in the Washington, D.C., area


==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==

AOPA PRESIDENT TO PILOTS: REMAIN CLEAR OF ADIZ DURING STATE OF UNION
AOPA

I'll be waiting for a NIGHTHAWK or MUSSELL flight out my way tomorrow afternoon/evening.
 

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I wonder if it'll be the BRAVEs from Andrews that have the duty tomorrow night? The TFR for tomorrow's CAP has been posted since January 8th at the FAA's Graphic TFR site. I prefer their site just because their postings are much cleaner/clearer than those from AOPA. For instance:
NOTAM Number : FDC 7/0381
Issue Date : January 08, 2007 at 2020 UTC
Location : Washington, District of Columbia
Beginning Date and Time : January 24, 2007 at 0100 UTC
Ending Date and Time : January 24, 2007 at 0400 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement Type : VIP
http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr2/list.html
And then if you want to plot the specific airspace, they give all the coordinates to define the areas. Either way, we still get notice when to expect a CAP in place.
This one will all be contained in the southern Guard Dog CAP area. If you want to put the entire Guard Dog CAP area on a flight map, draw two 20-mile diameter circles - one centered over Thurmont and one over D.C. Then draw about a 15-mile wide corridor between the two circles and you'll have the track for Guard Dog.
 
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I post these cause they are emailed directly to me and I don't have to go searching for them....but you are correct, the tfr's are much nicer.

and on that note:
FAA TO ESTABLISH TFR OVER WILMINGTON ON WEDNESDAY
AOPA is sending this message to advise pilots in and near Wilmington,
Delaware, that the FAA has issued a notam restricting flight in the
area during President Bush's planned visit on Wednesday, January 24.

There will be a large 30-nautical-mile-radius temporary flight
restriction (TFR) centered on the DQO VOR's 041-degree radial
at 2.7 miles, extending up to Flight Level 180. It will be in effect
from 9:20 a.m. local until 12:45 p.m. local on Wednesday. Also, there
will be multiple smaller 10-nm-radius GA no-fly zones in effect within
the larger TFR during that timeframe. See AOPA Online for the full
text of the notam along with a graphical depiction


And the TFR:
NOTAM Number : FDC 7/1493
Issue Date : January 22, 2007 at 2116 UTC
Location : wilmngton, Delaware
Beginning Date and Time : January 24, 2007 at 1420 UTC
Ending Date and Time : January 24, 2007 at 1745 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A
 

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md_p97 said:
FAA TO ESTABLISH TFR OVER WILMINGTON ON WEDNESDAY

And the TFR:
NOTAM Number : FDC 7/1493
Issue Date : January 22, 2007 at 2116 UTC
Location : wilmngton, Delaware
Beginning Date and Time : January 24, 2007 at 1420 UTC
Ending Date and Time : January 24, 2007 at 1745 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A

Thanks Paul. The reason:
President George W. Bush is scheduled to visit Wilmington on Wednesday.He's coming to talk about energy initiatives -- one day after his State of the Union address.White House spokesman Blair Jones confirmed the visit to The (Wilmington) News Journal, but said details on time and location were not available.
http://www.nbc10.com/news/10817335/detail.html


I assume the visit will be to one of the DuPont facilities.
 
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Caught a NIGHTHAWK 52 into Wilm Sunday afternoon as posted.
Not sure if test run or leave it there as backup.

Also a group of KC-10's came into Mcguire tonite.
WOODEN 31 KC-10 arrive McGuire 2000z
WOODEN 91 KC-10 arrive McGuire 2350z
WOODEN 01 KC-10 arrive McGuire 0050z
01 is alpha 3 and crew of 12.

Not sure if Travis or McGuire KC-10's.


Sad note had REACH 1197 C-17 arrive Dover tonite with 25 HR's aboard.
Bad weekend in Iraq for our guys... I'm getting sick of hearing these flights into Dover and Andrews.
Hope something changes soon for the better over there.

Mark
 
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139.7 For HUNTRESS BLUE 61

Folks,

I am sitting here at work reviewing my recorded audio of the DC CAP from today. Just noted something I was wondering if anyone else could confirm.

At 05:48:39 PITMAN 63 came up on 350.25 (POTOMAC) Checking in, advising they had Tanker 20 miles west of Dover, inbound. Then they advised they were going to try HUNTRESS now on victor "BLUE 61".

They immediately came up on HUNTRESS Freq 139.7 advising good morning and that they were talking to GUARD DOG on 350.25.

What I was hoping was that someone else could give the confirmation that they have heard this freq referred to in the past as "BLUE 61" as I wanted to note this in my notes. A confirmation from others would cement the deal.

I'll likely put this out on MilCom as well to try to get a feel if this applies to other areas around the conutry as well.
 
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j333_76484 said:
Folks,

I am sitting here at work reviewing my recorded audio of the DC CAP from today. Just noted something I was wondering if anyone else could confirm.

At 05:48:39 PITMAN 63 came up on 350.25 (POTOMAC) Checking in, advising they had Tanker 20 miles west of Dover, inbound. Then they advised they were going to try HUNTRESS now on victor "BLUE 61".

They immediately came up on HUNTRESS Freq 139.7 advising good morning and that they were talking to GUARD DOG on 350.25.

What I was hoping was that someone else could give the confirmation that they have heard this freq referred to in the past as "BLUE 61" as I wanted to note this in my notes. A confirmation from others would cement the deal.

I'll likely put this out on MilCom as well to try to get a feel if this applies to other areas around the conutry as well.

Jeff, I've never heard the "Blue" reference to the 139.7 freq. Not ever. Until the recent use by PITMAN for the CAP, I've only ever heard the Andrews BRAVE F-16s refer to it by their preset number which is V-9. I've heard the SPIDERs go to it, while still here, on instruction from HUNTRESS but they just used the actual freq. Same goes for the 138.2 freq which is also used by HUNTRESS - normally when the NJ-ANG COSMIC F-16s have the duty - just the actual freq is referenced. You're perhaps on to something. I didn't get to hear any part of today's CAP. But I'll sure listen for the "Blue" reference in the future now that you've heard it once.
 

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Jeff, I've never heard the "Blue" reference to the 139.7 freq. Not ever. Until the recent use by PITMAN for the CAP, I've only ever heard the Andrews BRAVE F-16s refer to it by their preset number which is V-9. I've heard the SPIDERs go to it, while still here, on instruction from HUNTRESS but they just used the actual freq. Same goes for the 138.2 freq which is also used by HUNTRESS - normally when the NJ-ANG COSMIC F-16s have the duty - just the actual freq is referenced. You're perhaps on to something. I didn't get to hear any part of today's CAP. But I'll sure listen for the "Blue" reference in the future now that you've heard it once.


TinEar. I have several other lists that give various "BLUE" designations to certain HUNTRESS freqs I know they do use this and have heard it before but I have no references to this particular freq being "Blue 61". I had an R-8500 scanning only recent CAP related freqs and this was the 2nd transmission of the morning from PITMAN just after they switch from Guard Dog UHF.

Also, as I sit here reviewing more audio, something else worth mentioning. At 07:11 PITMAN on 135.525 is up with GUARD DOG advising they are picking up alot of FM noise on this freq. They requested alternate victor. PITMAN confirms VICTOR 126.55 is the new victor and makes the switch. Unfortunately I was not manning the scanner at this time so I could not punch it in. My logs show the next time 135.525 went active was at 10:48:25. Comms were weak. I only show 4 more transmissions on 135.525 for the rest of the CAP and several of those don't seem CAP related
 
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j333_76484 said:
TinEar. I have several other lists that give various "BLUE" designations to certain HUNTRESS freqs I know they do use this and have heard it before but I have no references to this freq being "Blue 61". I had an R-8500 scanning only recent CAP related freqs and the first this was the 2nd transmission of the morning from PITMAN just after they switch from Guard Dog UHF.

Also, as I sit here reviewing more audio, something else worth mentioning. At 07:11 PITMAN on 135.525 is up with GUARD DOG advising they are picking up alot of FM noise on this freq. They requested alternate victor. PITMAN confirms VICTOR 126.55 is the new victor and makes the switch. Unfortunately I was not manning the scanner at this time so I could not punch it in. My logs show the next time 135.525 went active was at 10:48:25. Comms were weak. I only show 4 more transmissions on 135.525 for the rest of the CAP and several of those don't seem CAP related

I agree with you that HUNTRESS uses "Blue" freqs all across the UHF band. I've just never heard it used to refer to a VHF freq. I have a list too that goes up to about Blue 40. Now, that 126.55 freq is interesting and kind of surprises me. It's part of Potomac TRACON's Mount Vernon area freq list. If I had to guess, I would think they'd use one from Potomac's Shenandoah list considering the transmission sites although they are probably able to bring up that freq on any of the TRACON's antennas no matter which area it's in. But that's just a WAG on my part.

Edit: I have to take back what I said above Jeff. I just pulled up a list I had in Word and it indeed shows 139.7 to be Blue 61. It's the only VHF freq on the list other than an old reference to Blue 62 being 124.775 used in this area in the distant past. I don't know where else 139.7 was heard or when but obviously was. So, that should confirm it's use.
 
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TinEar said:
I agree with you that HUNTRESS uses "Blue" freqs all across the UHF band. I've just never heard it used to refer to a VHF freq. I have a list too that goes up to about Blue 40. Now, that 126.55 freq is interesting and kind of surprises me. It's part of Potomac TRACON's Mount Vernon area freq list. If I had to guess, I would think they'd use one from Potomac's Shenandoah list considering the transmission sites although they are probably able to bring up that freq on any of the TRACON's antennas no matter which area it's in. But that's just a WAG on my part.

Ditto Tin. We'll have to watch for that in the future. Some Pilots routinely reference the BLUE designations while others never mention it. I like the ones that do. :)

Re the GUARD DOG Alternate. I have put that in a Scan List with the other 2 PTMC APP (GUARD DOG) freqs and noted it as alternate. I will be scanning and recording on it t for future CAPS so we will see what comes back on that. I don't know it they have that as a designated GUARD DOG alternate or just picked it out of a hat. I would assume there is some plan at work here.

EDIT:
Tin, Just saw your confirmation on BLUE 61. That is good enough for me. I have thus tagged it accordingly in my motes. Thanks for the confirmation. We'll likely see some commentary on MilCom from the post I put out as well.
 
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1530Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - MARINE 474 (UC-35D 166474 MASD Andrews) - deps ADW to 5000' then cleared to 11K, 18K dir HAFNR QSY 121.675.
1549Z 118.400 Andrews AFB TWR - VENUS 21 - up shooting ILS apps...
1550Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - JOSA 289 (C-21A) - deps ADW to 17000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.

Off to a meeting in about 20 minutes, so this might be it for me until later...

1835Z 119.300 Potomac APP - SPAR 82 (C-37A 310th AS MacDill) - deps ADW 2000' for 3000' QSYs to correct freq. 118.950 cleared to 15000' dir HAFNR then to FL210 QSY 121.675. Corrected this one from yesterday, I was thinking of SPAR 89 when I put this down as a C-12. This is indeed a 310th machine.
1840Z 119.300 Potomac APP - BOXR 411 - shooting apps.

1902Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY 7W 509 (UC-12B NAS JRB Willow Grove) - deps ADW cleared to 12000'.
1913Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - CANFORCE 3039 (CC-144) - deps ADW cleared to 17000' QSY 123.825.
1916Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 423 - deps ADW to 15000' dir FLUKY QSY 121.675.
1927Z 119.300 Potomac APP - SAM 1110 - 5.100'-3000' est. on the localizer QSY 118.400 8 DME on the 01L app full stop.
1928Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - PAT 605 - deps DAA going J134-FLM cleared to 5000' then cleared to 12000' dir LDN QSY 118.675.
1947Z 118.950 Potomac DEP - NAVY 7C 636 (UC-12B NAS Oceana NFD) deps DAA cleared to 5000' join V376 QSY 134.700.
 
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1256: F-16s off the deck at Andrews with TRACON 348.725 and on interflight 143.6...callsign WILD
1301: WILD flight to Pax Approach...305.2
1302: WILD handed to BayWatch...heading for area R-6609 for the next 25 minutes...270.8
1303: FLYER A-10s (Willow Grove), flight of two, up and at 'em with Philadelphia TRACON...climbing out...269.25
1304: DRAGNET (E-3 AWACS, Tinker AFB OK) with Giant Killer...255.0 (Must be in W-107 awaiting someone)
1305: FLYER flight up to 10,000 feet at 250 knots...cleared up to 12,000...259.25
1307: FLYER flight handed off to ZDC-Kenton where they check in heading for the Pax area...still climbing...354.15
1309: DEVIL 11 flight (F-16 NJ-ANG Atlantic City) calling Giant Killer...338.1
1310: FLYER flight cleared direct Patuxent...climbing to 16,000...354.15 (May be going beyond Patuxent)
1311: FLYER flight working interflight freq...142.25
1316: Giant Killer's tactical freq active...391.2
1317: Another possible A-10 flight from Willow Grove with Phil. TRACON 317.55
1317: Yup...CADE 1, flight of two A-10s from Willow Grove checking in with ZDC-Kenton...354.15
1320: FLYER flight handed off to ZDC-Calvert and check in at 16,000 feet...281.4
CADE must be using low band for interflight...nothing being heard on VHF 138-144.
1322: CADE flight climbing from 8 to 10,000 feet...354.15
1324: FLYER flight mentions being cleared to Patuxent and all the way to Richmond...281.4
1326: CADE flight handed off to Patuxent where they check in as a flight of two at 10,000 feet...they cancel IFR...305.2
1326: CADE handed off to BayWatch where they check in at 10,000...45 minutes in area...request 7000 feet back to Willow Grove when finished...270.8
1326: FLYER indicates they're going beyond Richmond...they mentioned a reporting point after Richmond but I wasn't able to understand it...281.4
1333: CADE tells BayWatch they'll stay within a couple of miles of each other...270.8
1333: FLYER asks ZDC-Calvert what will be a good freq when they come out of R-6602 to contact Washington Center...281.4
1334: FLYER flight handed to ZDC-Irons where they check in direct R-6602...360.85
R-6602 is the Pickett MOA in Blackstone, Virginia. This MOA is described as a "Maneuver Training Center." (Something new for us to watch for)
1336: WILD flight reports fuel remainders and they're very low...they should be returning home...like now...(1400 pound fuel remainder)...143.6
1337: U/I activity on...303.125 (refueling freq)
1337: WILD flight checking in with Potomac TRACON (ADW App) requesting straight in runway 1R...335.5
1339: FLYER flight handed off but I couldn't copy the freq...360.85 (Can't find them in search of ZDC but still hear them on interflight so it probably wasn't another ZDC freq they were handed off to...damn! I don't have any freqs listed for operating in R-6602 or controller names...nothing, nada, zilch, zip.)
1343: WILD flight to Andrews Tower for landing...349.0
1345: WILD cleared to land by ADW Twr...1 reports "base, gear, stop"...2 gives the same report...and they're done...349.0
[Haven't heard anything more from the DEVIL 11 or DRAGNET flights which should both be somewhere in W-107]
1353: A-10s off the deck at Martin State...operating on interflight freq...callsign RAVEN, flight of three...142.3

1400: And that's my first hour of monitoring...have to leave for a bit...back later.
 
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1802z - Had them on 139.9 as well Tin.
1803z - With baywatch now 270.8

Tin, Yep that comes into play as well. Only working on 2nd cup of coffee
 
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