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[n3bxv]

2028 <128.35> Navy 103 with Potomac TRACON asking to hold due to a "Control Problem"
Then asks for approach into Andrews 19R and to notify Andrews that they will be landing without flaps and to have "The trucks" out.
<118.4> Navy 103 with Andrews Tower, clear to land, No Flaps.

Nothing more heard...

2049<311.0> Steel 61 with Steel Control

 

[TinEar]

Something I pulled off the Milcom list from Joe Gallagher - it caught my eye because it specifically mentioned Potomac TRACON...
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135.775 is not listed in the IFR supplement effective June 8 for anything closer to northern Virginia than the RCAG for Cleveland Center [ZOB] at Holland, Michigan. And it's not in the VFR supplement effective May 11 for anything closer than an airport in Charlotte, NC. But in the last 3 months or so and as recent as last night, I've heard the Potomac TRACON on 135.775 -- mostly for approaches from the north and northwest to Dulles and occasionally
for southern departures.
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Tony, this ought to be right up your alley. And we need to find the UHF parallel and add them both to the Wiki.

73s Mike

Mike, this is not a new frequency. It has been assigned to Potomac TRACON (Dulles) forever -- well, for a very long time. It is one of several VHF freqs paired with the 343.775 UHF freq.

Alan

2043: BATON 52 (EC-130J, 193rd SOG PA-ANG Harrisburg) with Giant Killer on «135.725» to announce he'll be leaving W-107 in about 5 minutes and wants routing to KMDT - Middletown PA upon exit. (Middletown is to the southeast of Harrisburg.)
2044: BATON 52 requests routing to be direct Sea Isle, DuPont, Lancaster, Middletown. «135.725» He's cleared at 20,000 feet.
2049: BATON 52 handed off to ZDC-Sea Isle «133.125» where he checks in at FL 200.
2052: BATON 52 receives clearance to DuPont after repeating his Sea Isle, DuPont, Lancaster routing. «133.125»
2055: GRAYHAWK 07 (E-2C VAW-120, Norfolk NAS) with ZDC-Cape Charles «256.8» checks in at flight level 15,000. (Nice picture of one of these aircraft posted by Mark after the Andrews show.)
2055: REACH 6002 (or 6003) arrival message to Andrews «378.1» and at the same time a C-21, tail 40117 arriving Andrews on «141.55» (missed callsign)
Confirmed REACH 6002 per message below. Thanks Chuck.
2048: GRAYHAWK 07 cleared direct Salisbury, direct Dover. «256.8» (Still on this freq at 2105)

2102: Found BATON 52 again...now with ZDC-Woodstown «125.45»
2117: BATON 52 with Baton Ops on «395.1» reports arrival message and declares A-2 status for the front end and A-2 for the back end - both with minor writeups.
2129: PACER 95 with Andrews Tower «118.4» for landing.
2145: REACH 901 with arrival message to Dover CP «349.4» He's A-1, arriving at 10 past the hour, has 10 pallets to offload and 1 pax.
2151: GRAYHAWK 07 now coming into Andrews - or leaving - not sure which after hearing a couple of transmissions...with Tower «118.4»
2151: REACH 01 with ZDC-Casino «127.7» at 10,000 feet.

2217: REACH 329 Heavy with ZDC-Swann «134.5» Cleared to Woodstown.
2220: REACH 329 Heavy handed off to ZDC-Woodstown «125.45» where he checks in at FL 180, climbing to 230. He's cleared to 280 and then to 330.
2225: BATON 53 to Baton Ops on «395.1» with arrival message...due in at 40 past the hour, A-1, 9600 punds of fuel left. He mentions it wasn't worth hanging out where he is until 50 and 55 left. (Left where? No telling.)
2232: BOLAR 71 (C-5A or M, Dover AFB DE) to Dover CP with arrival message - 30 minutes out, A-1. «349.4»
2238: HAGAR 66 (C5A or M, Dover AFB DE) with Dover CP for arrival message - 30 minutes out, A-1.

 

[ka3jjz]

Thanx Tin. I'll take a quick look at the TRACON wiki and see if the 2 of them are already there. If not, I'll add them. 73s and stay cool Mike

 

[n3bxv]

2055: REACH 6002 (or 6003) arrival message to Andrews «378.1»

<128.35> Reach 6002 with Potomac TRACON ....

 

[TinEar]

Mike, I just took a quick look at the Wiki for Potomac TRACON freqs and note there are several others missing for the Dulles portion. I believe I have 13 VHF and 7 UHF freqs associated there. I'll have to dig out my list and get the rest of them to you. Will probably be tomorrow at some point or very late tonight.

Oh....and that BULLY flight I logged in the 1000 hour this morning, that I suspected was going to the Dare County Range in NC, went well beyond that. They made it all the way down to the Avon Park Bomb Range in Florida. That's becoming a popular thing to do. Remember all those FAST F-16s from Syracuse that went down there last week?

 

[n3bxv]

2151<118.4> GreyHawk 07 getting IFR Clearance info for departure from Andrews Tower...

 

[freqhopping]

How about 132.85? Seems to be a southwesterly depature freq for IAD. Hand off to Casanova, another time a destination of Danville.

134.2 ? Used on approach for 19R at IAD.

 

[TinEar]

Yes, 134.2 is another old time freq for TRACON in the Dulles (Shenandoah) area. It's another one paired with 343.775. I don't have 132.85 on the Dulles list though.

Wait, yes I do have it but...132.85 is a Potomac TRACON freq for the Richmond (James River) area. It's paired with 257.75.

 

[freqhopping]

118.675 is a DCA app/dep freq right? I don't see it listed anywhere. I can hear the ground side perfectly. The planes are all over the place, from the west they cross JASEN at 10k and then the LD at 8k. From the east they cross RAVNN. Then eventually they look for the river.

In the last 15 mintues he's talked to Trooper-9, Trooper-7, Fairfax-1, Aircare-?, and a bunch of fixed wing, including a Medic-492.

Where is the LD/LDA/ LD localizer they're always talking about crossing?

 

[TinEar]

The 118.675 freq is another Potomac TRACON Dulles (Shenandoah) area freq. It's paired with 254.25 and is labeled for the LURAY area.

Not sure about your other question. I see JASEN on the chart (300 degree radial from IAD and 058 radial from the Linden-LDN VORTAC if you want to cross a couple of lines.) but see nothing labeled LD/LDA.

In general, LDA is short for Localizer Directional Aid around an airport as a guide to a runway.

 

[CitationJet]

06/21/2006

***Additions to yesterday's log while on a frantic drive down to Davison to wait for the Be200 to depart:***

2200Z 126.3 Davison AAF TWR - ANVIS 22 (Be200 (C-12C) N321F) - clnc to Fort A.P. Hill AAF via IRONS. Held for quite a while on the ground due to a Potomac TRACON delay - they wouldn't approve a flight Davison-A.P. Hill-Davison if they landed A.P. Hill. Straightened it out and he finally departs rwy 32 and QSYs to 118.95. N321F is in an overall dark gray (almost black) color scheme, with the reg. in light gray, plus ANVIS and other markings on the tail also in gray.
2216Z 139.4 Davison AAF Ops - PAT 2404 (C-12T 85-1268) - arr msg fuel and parking "on the afternoon shuttle."
2222Z 128.425 Washington/Dulles TWR West - ASCOT 2117 (VC-10) - lands 1L. Possibly XR810 returning and which was noted yesterday morning at IAD operating as ASCOT 2116.

06/22/2006

1333Z 284.7 ZDC-Montebello - NODAK 31 (F-16A/B 178th FS, ND ANG) - FL200
1336Z 270.35 ZDC-Shenandoah - NODAK 31 (F-16A/B 178th FS, ND ANG) - FL230 for FL270.
1350Z 351.9 ZDC-Gordonsville - MAPLE 69 (F-16C/D 134th FS, VT ANG) - radio check seemingly no joy with ZDC. Then makes contact. Just QSYs to 322.45 @ 1359Z.

1400Z 245.2 Davison AAF CLNC - PAT 7104 (UC-35A 97-0104) - clnc to GSP. Then over to Metro on 139.4 while taxying for departure rwy 32.
1404Z 118.95 Potomac DEP - NAVY RU 799 () - QSY 120.65.

1641Z 119.85 Potomac ARR - PAT 7104 (UC-35A 97-0104) - "We're in a 30 degree bank right now, I'm looking at the field right now!" QSY to 126.3 and lands rwy 32.

1705Z 327.0 ZDC-Brooke - SALTY DOG 402 (Strike Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23 [VX-23] NAS Patuxent River) - FL260 for FL280 QSY 351.9
1707Z 351.9 ZDC-Gordonsville - SALTY DOG 402 (Strike Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23 [VX-23] NAS Patuxent River) - req FL390.
1756Z 119.85 Potomac ARR - SLUFF 32 (KC-135R 121ST ARG OH ANG) - 5000 for 3000 QSY 119.3 on a 180 degree heading.

1810Z 126.3 Davison AAF TWR - MARINE 421 (UC-35D 166474 vis. conf.) - lands rwy 32. Departs rwy 32 at 1820Z QSY 118.95.
1858Z 284.7 ZDC-Montebello - MAPLE 05 (F-16C/D 134th FS, VT ANG) - caught tail end of xmsn. QSY to 323.22 @ 1905Z.

1909Z 126.3 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 2401 (C-12T home-basd shuttle) and ANVIS 22 (Be200 (C-12C) N321F) - depart rwy 32.
1910Z 118.95 Potomac DEP - LOBO 723 (C-9B VMR-1, MCAS Cherry Point) - deps ADW.
1958Z 118.95 Potomac DEP - ROSS 596 (C-37A/G5 N596GA) - deps DCA QSY 125.8 for final to HEF.

2032Z 139.4 Davison AAF Ops - PAT 2402 (C-12T 85-1268) - "We are the shuttle", req fuel and hotspot parking, tail #268. 10 mins. out. Subsequently on 118.85 and 126.3.
2035Z 118.95 Potomac DEP - SLUFF 32 (KC-135R 121ST ARG OH ANG) - deps ADW QSY 118.67>120.65.
2045Z 245.2 Davison AAF CLNC - PAT 2403 (C-12T 85-1268) - clnc to LFI.

2100Z 118.85 Davison AAF GCA - ANVIS 22 (Be200 (C-12C) N321F) - coord. PAR app to rwy 14 QSY 119.95.
2118Z 126.3 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 2403 (C-12T 85-1268) - deps rwy 32 QSY 118.95.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: 134.2

How about 132.85? Seems to be a southwesterly depature freq for IAD. Hand off to Casanova, another time a destination of Danville.

134.2 ? Used on approach for 19R at IAD.

This freq is used as Dulles Final Approach for runways 1L, 19R, and 12. I've heard it frequently referred to as "Dulles Final".

 

[TinEar]

This freq is used as Dulles Final Approach for runways 1L, 19R, and 12. I've heard it frequently referred to as "Dulles Final".

Tony, I'm fairly sure you're talking about 134.2 and not the 132.85 freq that Travis asked about. Yes, 134.2 is a "final" freq for aircraft approaching from the west and the freq associated with it for final approach from the east is 125.8 according to my list. Both are paired with 343.775 on the Potomac TRACON list.

1136: AXEMAN flight of A-10s from MTN talking to Dover Approach 257.875 and then TRACON (BWI) 254.35.
1138: RAVEN flight of A-10s coming home to Martin State...RAVEN 2 has a hung rocket and declares A-3 status «347.2» Precautions are being taken on the ground.
1138: One of the above flights is using tac 142.3...not sure which just yet.
1141: AXEMAN 1 flight with MTN Tower 297.2 for approach and landing.

1205: DEMO 01 with ZDC-Woodstown «363.0» at FL 450.
1215: DEMO 01 handed off to ZNY-Kennedy «282.3» Says he doesn't have an emergency but is short on gas so would like to be cleared to destination after Deer Park.
1217: DEMO 01 reports direct Deer Park. «282.3» (Still hasn't stated his destination.)
1220: DEMO 01 reports cleared to descend to FL 260. Minute later reports leaving FL 450. «282.3»
1223: DEMO 01 (at times he leaves off the zero in the suffix) reports turning right to course 090. «282.3»
1224: DEMO 01 cleared down to FL 250. «282.3» and requests a turn toward Deer Park.
By the way, Deer Park is on Long Island NY.
1226: DEMO 01 reports left turn to course 020 and cleared down to 19,000 feet. «282.3» (He's starting to weaken as he descends.)

End of message...continued below.

(Ref below): Jack, give me a shout if you happen to hear BULLY flight depart for home.

 

[BMT]

"BULLY" just checked in w/Avon Park Range Control, 1200LCL.

BMT

 

[CitationJet]

Re: 134.2

Tony, I'm fairly sure you're talking about 134.2 and not the 132.85 freq that Travis asked about. Yes, 134.2 is a "final" freq for aircraft approaching from the west and the freq associated with it for final approach from the east is 125.8 according to my list. Both are paired with 343.775 on the Potomac TRACON list.

Yes I was referring to 134.2. That's why I had entered the subject line "Re: 134.2".

125.8 is indeed used as Dulles Final for 1R/19L. From time to time, especially during peak arrival hours when ILS approaches are in use, you'll hear "Potomac Director" stick his head in on these freqs, and also on IAD TWR 120.1/128.425, fine-tuning the arrivals flow.

 

[TinEar]

<slaps forehead> Ohhhh...subject line. Yeah, there are those things. :lol: Unfortunately, I never notice them when within a thread. It's called tunnel vision - right to the message. Sorry Tony - I should have seen that.

Have someone through the ZDC area that has been on ZDC-Kenton's 354.15 freq but never did pick up his mumbled callsign? Anyone else hear him 1230-1240?

Word from elsewhere that our BULLY F-16s have departed Avon Park Range and headed back to their temp quarters at McDill AFB FL.

1257: MAPLE 23 (F-16 VT-ANG Burlington) with ZDC-Montebello «284.7» working out routing...asks if Harrisburg-Williamsport will work.

1301: Tanker interplane «139.875» chat. No callsigns heard yet.
1303: MAPLE 23 handed off to ZDC-Linden «319.1». Check in at FL 270. Say they'll be direct Burlington.
1305: Have a ?Coast Guard? 402 just checked in at FL 260 on ZDC-Brooke «327.0» He was handed off from ZDC-Calvert «281.4». At 1306 handed to ZDC-Gordonsville «351.9» Requesting FL 390. (Not sure at all about the "Coast Guard" ID)
1306: MAPLE 23 handed off to ZDC-Hagerstown «227.125» where they check in at FL 270.
1309: Have fighters on tac freq «139.15» One is a female. Believe this is the MAPLE flight. (It sure isn't the BULLY flight which is using this same freq in Florida.) (Turns out to be ANGRY flight from Andrews.)
1310: MAPLE 23 handed off to ZNY-Harrisburg «270.3» where he checks in at FL 270 and reports his squawk.
1312: ANGRY flight with ZDC-Calvert «281.4» Will maintain 10,500 feet.
1313: ANGRY flight to FSS «255.4» to report into VR-1703. (Low level flight so will no longer hear them.)
1314: MAPLE 23 flight handed off to ZNY-Philipsburg «306.2» and check in there.
1314: Have an A-10 flight from Willow Grove on tac «143.25» where one pilot is pointing out his house to his wingman. They also checked in with ZNY-Pottstown «278.3». Callsign is CADE.
1318: CADE looking for direct Slate run «278.3» (Heading to the Duke MOA so they're all yours Dave.)
1319: MAPLE 23 flight handed off to ZNY-Milton «269.1» and again check in at FL 270.
1320: CADE flight in the Reading area. «143.25» They are still talking about buying houses...and not getting jobs at Jet Blue.
1320: MAPLE 23 handed next to ZNY-Elmira «298.9». Still at FL 270. (Getting weak and this may be last transmission heard.)
1325: CADE flight has been talking non-stop on tac «143.25» Flight leader instructing his wingman on various controls.
1325: CADE handed off to ZNY-Swissdale «279.55» where they check in at FL 16,000. It's a flight of two A-10s. No joy with ground controller.
1327: CADE 1 back to Pottstown on «278.3» to report the no joy situation and are handed off to ZNY-Williamsport «338.3» where they try to check in and again no joy so back to «278.3» Pottstown they go. Sent again to ZNY-Swissdale «279.55» where they make contact and report direct Slate Run.
1331: Navy SD 403 (flight of two) with ZDC-Calvert «281.4»
1334: Navy SD 403 handed to ZDC-Irons «360.85» where they check at 16000. (SD should be SALTY DOG aircraft from VX-23 at Patuxent NAS.)
1336: CADE flight still yapping on tac «143.25». Flight leader hasn't paused for breath in 15 minutes. He has a fantastic transmitter and is much stronger than his wingman.
1341: Navy SD 403 handed to ZDC-Azalea «263.1» where they check in as a flight of two at 16,000 feet.
1346: Navy SD 403 calling Leesburg Radio on FSS freq «255.4» but getting weak on that one.
1346: CADE flight finally getting too weak to copy «143.25» But still talking.
1352: Pair of A-10s from Martin State up on tac «142.3» Callsign RAVEN...also went briefly to Raven Ops on «143.8».
1355: U/I BOXER aircraft on squadron freq «314.25» He also says someone on the ground is squawking 7700 (forget the specifics but that's used to indicate some kind of emergency.) He wants ground control to make sure it isn't one of their birds doing that and to check if someone is working on an aircraft and doing it accidentally.
1355: Bollen Range active on «237.2» Might be our RAVEN flight...but isnt...it's an UGLY flight of A-10s from Willow Grove.

Break time...back later.

(Ref below): Came to the same conclusion after hearing SD 403 that the 402 had to have been SALTY DOG. Funny how one flight will use the callsign and the next will just use SD.
Couldn't copy that MAPLE flight beyond Elmira NY...seems I always lose aircraft when they reach that point. Lousy antenna...

 

[CitationJet]

Re: Coast Guard 402

<slaps forehead> Ohhhh...subject line. Yeah, there are those things. :lol: Unfortunately, I never notice them when within a thread. It's called tunnel vision - right to the message. Sorry Tony - I should have seen that.

1257: MAPLE 23 (F-16 VT-ANG Burlingrton) with ZDC-Montebello «284.7» working out routing...asks if Harrisburg-Williamsport will work.

1305: Have a ?Coast Guard? 402 just checked in at FL 260 on ZDC-Brooke «327.0» He was handed off from ZDC-Calvert «281», At 1306 handed to ZDC-Gordonsville «351.9» Requesting FL 390. (Not sure at all about the "Coast Guard" ID)

Re: 134.2, no worries...

Re: MAPLE 23: I had this one too but did not get a callsign. Thanks!

Re: Coast Guard 402: See above - I wasn't sure at first either, but turned out to be SALTY DOG.

 

[TinEar]

1425: Back just to report the ANGRY flight is in range again on tac «139.15». It's a flight of two F-16s and one is a female as noted earlier. Looks like we have a new F-16 pilot assigned to Andrews.
1428: Also hearing F-16s from Richmond on both 141.825 and 141.875.
1428: Navy SD 403 (SALTY DOGs--Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23 [VX-23] Patuxent River NAS) with ZDC-Calvert «281.4», flight of two.
1430: SD 403 flight handed off to Pax «281.8» where they check in at 15,500 feet.
1431: Have a fighter flight on tac «138.95». Out of area flight. Just chatting. (Still hearing them at 1438)
1435: Have U/I aircraft with MTN Tower on «121.3» warning others about low flying jets around the BWI area...says one of them is an F/A-18. (But I doubt it...he's probably seeing A-10s.)
1440: Warren Grove Range active on «283.1» The 138.95 tac traffic sounds like the same guys. Must be an A-10 flight from one of the New England bases - Barnes or Bradley.

NOTE: Hearing that encrypted traffic again on freq 143.825 that I've reported elsewhere in the past. Heard one transmission in the clear...."Roger. That's what they told us." This is at 1436. Encrypted traffic starts again at 1442.)

 

[dparana]

Just got in the office....
TinEar,
Thanks for the Cade TAC heads up. As of now, 1430, sounds like they are headed back down to you. Based on what was on my scanner recorder, CADE 1 and 2 were just maneuvering up here, no refuelling was performed. They just tried NY Center on the 338.30 Freq without any luck and were given 279.55 (Which is new to me but you nailed it up above). They were barely audible on that Freq. Oh, they also were still on the 143.25.

Dave

 

[TinEar]

Another check of the radios at 1500 shows F-16s from Richmond still active on 141.825 and 141.875. The group on 141.875 is callsign TBOLT. They are in Giant Killer's W-386 area and the TBOLT flight is working ACM on 391.2.

1503-06: Have an aircraft with ZDC-Casino 285.4...can't pick out his callsign but suffix is 41. He's headed for NXX (Willow Grove). (See entry at 1516...callsign ZAPPER)
1506: Also have one of the Richmond F-16 flights just out of GK's area...direct HEELS, Hopewell at 14,000 feet. «238.1» Same flight with Norfolk TRACON on 370.925 a couple of minutes later. It turns out to be callsign FURY 51. They must be the 141.825 tac freq users since TBOLT is on 141.875.
1507: Pair of A-10s - RAVENs - on the way home to MTN. Both Code 1 as reported to Raven Ops on 347.2. They're working 142.3 tac. 10 minutes out.
1516: That same aircraft with the 41 suffix now with Philadelphia TRACON 291.7. Sounds to me like the callsign is ZAPPER which I now think it is. If so, it's an F/A-18 from VFA-81 Oceana NAS.