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[TinEar]

06/21/2006

1858Z 284.7 ZDC-Montebello - MAPLE 05 (F-16C/D 134th FS, VT ANG) - caught tail end of xmsn. QSY to 323.22 @ 1905Z.

Glad to see you post that Tony. I also had a reference a few days ago to the 323.22(5) frequency. I don't have it listed anywhere. It's a Center freq for sure. With a handoff from Montebello, it almost has to be ZDC.
235.625 ZDC-???? (Thought it might be Blackstone, replacing 380.3 but that's a very big reach.)
307.025 ZDC-???? (Although I think I've pinned this down to Potomac, replacing 381.5)
323.225 ZDC-????
Just looked back and it was yesterday (seems much longer) that the BULLY flight on the way to Florida used the 323.225 freq. It was a handoff from ZDC-Calvert on 281.4 where they were sent to both the 323.225 and ZDC-Bay 379.3 freqs and couldn't make contact on either and were then sent to 322.45 with ZDC-Raleigh.. So, it certainly is in the ZDC area with handoffs from both Calvert and now Montebello.
C'mon guys...one of you ANG or AF flight crew members that monitor these MilAir logs (and I know you do) pop in here with IDs for these freqs. PM or send private email if you'd rather remain anonymous.

1518: MAPLE 05 with ZNY-Harrisburg «270.3»
1520: MAPLE 05 with ZNY-Milton «269.1» to say no joy on 270.3
1522: MAPLE 05 handed off to ZNY-Elmira «298.9» where he checks in at FL 270. (Of course, this is the last I hear of him although he was still fairly strong when checking in here.)
1543: CRAB 55 (C-130J, MD-ANG Warfield ANGB) calling Crab Ops on «385.9» No joy. (Occasionally, have an aircraft still call on this freq but haven't heard a ground station response in many months. I don't believe they man a radio on this freq any longer even if it's still assigned to the unit.)
1559: CRAB 55 landing at Martin State with Tower on «121.3»

1602: JOSA 321 reports off the deck (presume Andrews) at 2000Z to SAM Command on «141.55»
1604: TRACK 66 calling Andrews Dispatch on «139.3»
1605: TRACK 66 (home station C-21, Air Force Flight Standards) to SAM Command on «141.55» with arrival message. Says he needs Customs since he's returning from Canada. 20 minutes out.
1610: TESTER 04 and TESTER 13 working in BayWatch area on «256.5» just finishing their work and 13 announces RTB. TESTER 04 says he wants to make a pass in R-4002 down at 2000 feet.
1625: TESTER 04 finally finishes zipping around on his low level flight and ascends to 19,000 feet where he now announces he'll RTB. «256.5»
1628: TRACK 66 landing on runway 19R with ADW Tower on «118.4»
1634: SUNNY 123 landing ADW with Tower on «118.4»

Enough for now...back later and awaiting the PM.

 

[TinEar]

1640: Have fighters on «139.15». Unidentified so far...could it be BULLY coming home?
1642: Well, yes it is. Flight of four BULLY F-16s returning to Andrews from Florida. «139.15» (Would have been more fun in January.)
1649: BULLY 11 flight with BayWatch on «354.8» for about 20 minutes of work in R-4005 from 25,000 down to the surface. (Guess they can't get enough of this...all that way and then stop at Pax for yet more work.)
A few minutes ago I heard a PARD 71 landing at Andrews on 118.4...didn't note time.
1652: FORCE 91 tanker (KC-10A McGuire AFB NJ) with McGuire CP on «319.4» with arrival message...11 crew, 20 minutes out, no pax or cargo, A-2...changes to 30 minutes out...ETA 2125Z.
1655: BULLY flight in buddy laze ground attack exercise at Pax. «354.8/139.15»

1700: BULLY flight leader tells BayWatch they're going to want the tunnel back to Andrews at 4000 feet. «354.8» They're working around Point Lookout. BULLY 2 not familiar with Point Lookout so it's pointed out to him.
1704: BULLY 4 reports joker...so does 2...so they'll have to finish up soon. «139.15»
1707: BULLY flight all report "knock it off" and finish whatever they were doing. «139.15»
1707: BULLY 1 requests RTB Andrews to BayWatch. «354.8»
1708: BULLY flight to SOF on «139.9» with mission results. BULLY 1 and 4 are Code 1, 2/3 are Code 2. Report 14 miles to the south. Back to V-6 upon completion of message so once again on «139.15»
1712: Four BULLYs report fuel remainders between 2300 and 2600 pounds. «139.15»
1713: BULLY 11 flight checks in with Reagan TRACON (Andrews chapter) on «270.275» for approach to the field. Has field in sight.
1716: BULLY flight leader says he can't think of a cooler job in America...the other three concur with that. «139.15» (Must say I agree with them.) They are doing wing wags at the tower.
1717: BULLY flight changes to U-4 with ADW Tower on «349.0» and report 9 miles out.
1720: BULLY 1 gear down, full stop, right...BULLY 2 the same...BULLY 3 joins them in same message...BULLY 4 adds his voice...and by 1721 the four BULLY F-16s are touching down after a long trip. «349.0» ((After debriefing is it O Club or home to the wife? Difficult choice.))
1733: DEUCE 85 female (KC-10A McGuire AFB NJ) calling McGuire CP on «319.4» Four calls, no joy.
1734: JOSA 294 with Andrews Metro «344.6»
1737: ____ 97 to McGuire CP «319.4» (another tanker but missed callsign) with arrival message, 25 minutes out, A-2 for APU leaking oil, 75,000 pounds on the fuel.
1738: DEUCE 85 makes contact...30 minutes out, 50K on the fuel. «319.4»

 

[Mark]

Heard a ZAPPER 41 (F-18 VFA-81) with Philly appch 291.700 1918z decending prob into
Willow Grove NAS.

Mark
Maryland

 

[TinEar]

Thanks for confirming the ZAPPER callsign Mark. Logged him above but wasn't totally sure of it. Had him with ZDC-Casino and then on the 291.7 freq...nothing after that. He did say he was heading for NXX.

 

[CitationJet]

Hi,

Some additions from yesterday afternoon on the way home...

2226Z 141.55 SAM CP Andrews - PACER ?? (C-21A 84-0089) - arr msg.
2230Z 141.55 SAM CP Andrews - JOSA 294 (C-21A) - arr msg to ADW, departed APG @ 2227Z. A1 mission complete.
2236Z 126.3 PAT 2404 (C-12T 85-1268) - last shuttle of the day, lands rwy 32.

06/23/2006

1138Z 120.1 IAD TWR East - ASCOT 2108 (VC-10 XV101 S) - lands rwy 1R.

1258Z 139.4 Davison AAF Ops - PAT 1204 (C-12T 85-1268) - arr msg 20 mins out tail #268.

1310Z 118.85>119.95 Davison AAF GCA - PAT 1204 (C-12T 85-1268) - coord. PAR app to rwy 14.
1332Z 245.2 Davison AAF CLNC - PAT 7104 (UC-35A 97-0104) - clnc to FFO.
1345Z 118.85 Davison AAF GCA - PAT 241A (C-23B vis. conf.) - cleared for the ILS rwy 32.

1400Z 118.95 Potomac DEP - PAT 978 () - @ 5000' QSY 124.0 @ 1402Z then over to 126.3 and lands rwy 32. [departs rwy 32 later - missed visual].
1435Z 118.95 Potomac DEP - COAST GUARD 101 (C-37 01) - deps DCA.

1542Z 335.5 Potomac APP - TEXAS 91 (F-16C/D 182nd FS TX ANG Lackland AFB/Kelly Field Annex) - in trail standard formation ILS 1L full stop. Descending to 2000' now.

1608Z 126.3 Davison AAF TWR - NAVY 5E 252 (T-34C VT-6/CTW-5 NAS Whiting Field) - lands rwy 32.

FINALLY, some action!

1826Z 139.4 Davison AAF Ops - GATOR 493 (UC-12B 161512 7X 1512 NAS JRB New Orleans - vis conf.) - arr msg to DAA. Lands rwy 32.
1840Z 141.55 SAM CP Andrews - PAT 588 (UC-35B 03-0016) - arr msg to ADW. Can take pax on the way back to Dobbins.
1856Z 378.1 SAM CP Andrews - REACH 5143 (C-17A 05-5143 729th AS AFRC March) - receives parking spot on arr to ADW. [departs at 2157Z on 124.0 dir FLUKY QSY 121.05]

1915Z 139.4 Davison AAF Ops - PAT 7104 (UC-35A 97-0104) - arr msg to DAA fixed wing parking and fuel req'd. Lands rwy 32 on 126.3 @ 1919Z.
1925Z 245.2 Davison AAF CLNC - PAT 241A (C-23B vis. conf.) - clnc to MGE.
1934Z 284.7 ZDC-Montebello - TALON 39 (F-18C VFA-115, CVW-14 NAS Lemoore or a T-38?) - QSY to 335.5 where they have information S at Andrews.
1936Z 126.3 Davison AAF TWR - PAT 241A (C-23B) - deps rwy 32 QSY 124.0.
1939Z 335.5 Potomac APP - TALON 39 (F-18C VFA-115, CVW-14 NAS Lemoore or a T-38?) - reqs update on ramp freeze; if 30 minutes he's going to have to go elsewhere for gas.
1940Z 378.1 SAM CP Andrews - informs REACH 5143 re: rampf reeze: approx. 25 mins.

...and here comes the reason for the ramp freeze...

1941Z 119.3 Potomac APP - AIR FORCE 2 () - 3000 for 2500.
1947Z 335.5 Potomac ARR - TALON 39 () - into the hold @ OTT as published EFC 2000Z.
1949Z 335.5 Potomac ARR - TALON 39 () - requesting wx for NAS Patuxent River.
1949Z 284.7 ZDC-Montebello - F 03 (???) - up here now, heavy French sounding accent. Definitely FOX 03.

2004Z 335.5 Potomac APP - TALON 39 begins approach into ADW. Straight in to 1L. QSY ADW TWR.
2005Z 378.1 SAM CP Andrews - NAVY JR 144 (C-20 165151) - arr msg 20 mins out of ADW 14 pax full stop picking up DVs.
2025Z 378.1 SAM CP Andrews - REACH 2292 (C-130E 72-1292 61st AS Little Rock) - 20 mins out A1 req. parking.
2026Z 378.1 SAM CP Andrews - SAM 357 () - off at 2023Z. Reason for delay: waiting on the party.

2115Z 335.5 Potomac ARR - BULLY 11 (F-16C/D 121ST FS Andrews) - wingman regaining standard formation in 1 min. 10000' for 3000'.
2118Z 349.0 Andrews AFB TWR - BULLY 11 (F-16C/D 121ST FS Andrews) - looking for the visual overhead 1L.
2120Z 349.0 Andrews AFB TWR - BULLY 12/13 (F-16C/D 121ST FS Andrews) - "base gear stop left". That's what I thought they both said!
2125Z 124.0 Potomac DEP - NAVY RX 644 (C-40A VR-57 NAS North Island) - deps ADW.

 

[CitationJet]

Tin: looks like our SALTY DOG 402 was really long haul yesterday. From a KBKF log posted on another list:

354.15: SD-402, (F/A-18, VX-23, Pax River), with Denver Center, FL 280.
Wants to climb to 390 for WX.

 

[dparana]

Good Morning All,
Got a few headed back to Willow Grove, maybe you can pick them up.
Starting about 1000: STEEL 71 was in the DUKE MOA. FLYER 1 & 2 got clearance in with Cleveland Center on 353.85. Refuelling began at about 1020 or so on 301.60. FLYER flight returned to Willow Grove at about 1038. UGLY flight of two entered the DUKE and began refuelling on 301.60 at about 1042. UGLY 1 tail 80-0230, UGLY 2 tail 80-0184. They were using a TAC Freq of 142.25 and headed back to Willow Grove at about 1050. It was kind of hard to take notes....DAVE 01 was trying to refuel KATE 01 (My new baby, born June 1st).

Dave

 

[TinEar]

It was kind of hard to take notes....DAVE 01 was trying to refuel KATE 01 (My new baby, born June 1st).
Dave

Great line Dave! And congratulations on the new arrival.
I didn't have the radios on at the time you caught the FLYER/UGLY flights so missed all that activity.

And Tony, thanks for that info. They obviously weren't local like the SD 403 flight we heard right behind them (or was it ahead of them?). It's surprising how many times I find local aircraft mentioned in other areas. Unless you just happen to catch them chatting about a destination, there's no way to tell where they're headed when they fade out. It's like the ROMAN F/A-18s from Oceana that keep turning up all over the country.

Very nice catch on that TEXAS 91 flight into ADW. Wonder what their mission is this time? NASCAR is in California this week. A DRAGO mission?

Not really monitoring at the moment but want to throw this in....
1309: MAINE 91 (KC-135R, 132nd ARS ME-ANG Bangor) calling what sounds like HAWK Ops on «303.0» After several calls he makes contact to say he expects to be on the deck at 45 after the hour. If really HAWK Ops, that's Command Post at Barnes in MA.

 

[CitationJet]

Re: local catches

And Tony, thanks for that info. They obviously weren't local like the SD 403 flight we heard right behind them (or was it ahead of them?). It's surprising how many times I find local aircraft mentioned in other areas.

Sure thing. It is surprising. The lists that a monitor near Buckley AFB puts out on qth.net's Milcom usually have a good number of flights that we hear in this area; given his location, every other JOSA flight we hear locally, he's heard coming out of COS!

 

[TinEar]

Walking past the radios at 1400 and hear OA-10s from Martin State active with Raven Ops on 143.8 -- callsign WARDOG. BayWatch's 270.8 also contains WARDOG activity.
Also an ANGRY flight of F-16s from Andrews on tac 143.6. They are also with SOF on 139.9 talking about weather in the area of their IP. He's also asking about the activity of MAD DOG which he indicates is on the ground - probably a FAC at Pax.
1408: ANGRY 1 asking BayWatch about where WARDOG is going to be working in the area which tells us ANGRY flight is also working the Pax area. «354.8»
1409: ANGRY calling MAGIC (E3D RAF Waddington UK) on tac 143.6 but I think it's simulated activity...maybe. ANGRY also talking to a MARTINI callsign.
This sounds very much like the exercises we had at Pax a few months ago with F-16s, A-10s (OA-10s) and the JSTARS and AWACS aircraft. Not sure yet if it's simulated or real. I'm going with simulated for now.
1413: Warren Grove Range active 283.1 and just prior to that heard a fighter flight on ZNY-Shipbottom 307.8 which was probably the same flight arriving.
1413: Also have A-10s with Dover Approach 257.875 doing a couple of approaches there....think it's another MTN flight.
1419: ANGRY flight simulating a ManPAD (Man Portable Air Defense System) launch upon completion of their last ground attack mission. The second ANGRY pilot is now playing the part of MAD DOG FAC directing an attack at that target. «143.6»
Yeah, all the MAGICs, MARTINIs, MAD DOGs, etc are just simulated activity by the DC-ANG F-16s during their ground attack mission at the Pax River Range. Let's call it an "Active Imagination Exercise."....or...."Simulated Holistic Imagination Training."
1424: WARDOG 1 landing at MTN with Tower 297.2
1431: ANGRY flight requests tunnel back to Andrews from BayWatch «354.8»
1435: Pair of RAVEN A-10s coming home to MTN with Tower on «297.2» (This must have been the pair mentioned at Dover in the 1413 log entry.)
1437: ANGRY flight clearing out of Pax area on «281.8»
1440: ANGRY flight to SOF with mission results...both aircraft are Code 1. «139.9» report 69 miles south of homeplate.
1441: ANGRY flight of two to TRACON on «270.275» where they check in at 4000 feet. Three calls, no joy, so they change to U-19 on «335.5» for their approach. Flight leader sends wingman to U-17 to get the ATIS report.

NOTE: This is a change to the old list for the presets for DC-ANG ATIS. They used to be in slot 20 and are now in V/U-17. This change was made some time ago but I don't think I've ever posted it in these logs. 113.1/251.05 are the Andrews ATIS freqs.

1444: ANGRY flight to U-4 with ADW Tower for landing. «349.0»
1447: ANGRY 1 and 2 report gear down, full stop, etc as they set down. «349.0»
1448: NJ-ANG Atlantic City F-16s active on tac «138.425» Callsign BICEP.
1450: BOLAR 70 (C5A or M, Dover AFB DE) calling Dover Command Post «349.4» Makes contact on the third call and gives arrival message....tail number 5009, 30 minutes out, A-1, 100% training complete. They've also got the unit commander on board.
1453: Have a flight clearing out of Giant Killer's area for RTB «255.0» Probably the BICEP flight from ACY.
1455: NJ-ANG tac freq «138.875» also active.

1500: And all seems quiet for now in the MilAir world - from my listening point anyay.

 

[Mark]

Heard a couple aircraft today heard headed for various airshows up NE way.

TIGER 82 with McGuire metro 239.800 at 10:46 am local self id as 2 A-10's.
req wx for KOQU Rhode Island. Must be Pope A-10 aircraft.

MOON 44 female pilot self id as T-1 req McGuire metro for wx at KBAF Barnes at 1815z.
(MOON 48 FTS/14 FTW COLUMBUS AFB MS)


Mark

 

[n3bxv]

Raven-1 flight up and about with Potomac TRACON<317.425><291.625>- Setting up for a fly by at Ripken Stadium
In comms <143.8> with Raven Ops and "Groundhog", probably the ground coordinator at the stadium. A/A <142.3>

 

[TinEar]

I know someone logged FOX 03 in the past couple of days but I can't find that post. Anyway, I heard him tonight on ZDC-Cape Charles 256.8 at 2100 and then sent to ZDC-Casino 285.4 at 2104. He had a heavy German accent -- at least I think it was German. He was a bit difficult to understand.

 

[TinEar]

Mike (for the Wiki) and whomever is interested....here are the frequencies I have listed for the Potomac TRACON - Shenandoah area (Dulles). Earlier I mentioned 13 VHF and 7 UHF but it's really 11 and 5. The other couple are on the sheet but for a different purpose.

VHF/UHF pairing.....Label
124.65/343.775......BARIN
134.2/343.775........IADFW (Final West)
125.8/343.775........IADFE (Final East)
135.775/343.775.....RCOLA
120.45/343.775.......MANNE
126.1/338.25...........MULRR
126.825/239.025......LUCKE
125.05/350.2...........ASPER
123.825/254.25........BUFFR
118.675/254.25........LURAY
126.65/350.2............TILLY

While I'm at it, I might as well list what I have for Potomac TRACON - Mount Vernon area (Reagan National).

VHF/UHF pairing........LABEL
124.0/279.575...........ADWFR (Andrews Radar for Arlington Flybys)
119.85/322.3.............OJAAY
124.7/338.2...............DCAFW (Final West)
118.3/306.3...............DCAFE (Final East)
124.2/269.0...............ENSUE
128.35/270.275..........DEALE
119.3/335.5...............ADWAR (Approach Radar)
121.05/343.7..............FLUKY
118.95/257.2..............TYSON
125.65/396.1..............KRANT
126.55/269.5..............DAILY

And Potomac TRACON - James River area (Richmond & Charlottesville)

VHF/UHF pairing..........LABEL
Charlottesville
132.85/257.75.............CHOWE (Charlottesville West)
120.525/257.75............CHOEA (Charlottesville East)

Richmond
134.7/307.2.................COATT
126.8/398.2.................FLTRK
118.2/288.275..............RICFR (Richmond Final)
126.4/282.375..............TAPPA

I think we've totally captured the Chesapeake area (BWI) freqs so won't repeat them here.

I often log the UHF freqs for Norfolk but to put them in perspective with the VHF pairings...
119.45/360.6.......West Feeder
126.05/370.925....East Feeder
There is also a "Midnight Configuration" freq pair for Norfolk but, since I've never heard MilAir activity after midnight contacting Norfolk, I've never heard these. They're listed as...
118.9/273.475....Midnight Configuration

 

[ka3jjz]

Got 'em Tin. I'll add them to the TRACON wiki in the next day or two - the weather is going to be pretty crappy for the next few days, so I won't have an excuse to be outside for long :.>>

73s Mike

 

[CitationJet]

Re: FOX 03

I know someone logged FOX 03 in the past couple of days but I can't find that post. Anyway, I heard him tonight on ZDC-Cape Charles 256.8 at 2100 and then sent to ZDC-Casino 285.4 at 2104. He had a heavy German accent -- at least I think it was German. He was a bit difficult to understand.

Tin, it was me, yesterday. Thought he sounded French but like you said, he was very difficult to understand.

 

[ka3jjz]

Tin, to what TRACON does Norfolk belong? I'm guessing that there is a Shenandoah, Virginia or maybe one for NC, but don't know the name.

I can easily add a sub article (new page, branched off the TRACON page, in wiki speak) for it, but need a name to which to attach it.

73s Mike

 

[TinEar]

Mike, just call them Norfolk Approach/Departure. There is such a thing as a Norfolk TRACON but until I can dig up more info such as area coverage, I'd just use the app/dep designator.


I just corrected one of the Reagan TRACON freqs on that list from last night. As I was telling Tony, I proofed that thing about a dozen times and still missed one which he caught. It's the approach radar for Andrews. Should be 119.3/335.5 vice 119.1/335.5. Hopefully, the rest are correct - at least I can't find any other mistakes now that I'm wide awake in the light of day.

1442: DC 61 (KC-135R 756th ARS, Andrews AFB) calling DC 61 and then Ops on squadron freq 351.2.
1444: DC 62 in the pattern and preparing to land at ADW. 118.4
1446: DC 61 to LIBERATOR on 351.2 to talk about procedures for training and giving advice for DC 62. Wants confirmation that his landing time is 1545.
1459: REACH 926 landing ADW. 118.4

1510: DC 61 calls LIBERATOR on 351.2 to report he's 20 minutes from landing and has 45 (45000 pounds) on the gas, requests parking spot....gets Spot 7.
1513: DC 61 with Andrews Approach 119.3
1514: DC 62 still in the pattern also...119.3
1525: DC 61 with ADW Tower 118.4 and he's going to go around a couple of times before final stop landing.
1528: DC 62 (female) to LIBERATOR on 351.2 to report 15 minutes until touchdown and will have about 35 on the gas....gets Spot 6 for parking.
1530: DC 61 told to land and prepares to do so. 118.4
1536: DC 62 reports gear down for full stop landing at ADW 118.4

 

[ka3jjz]

I got it fixed, Tin. In fact, I found 2 that might well be changes or simple typos - and this is the time to get them straight. They are:

126.520 / 350.200 Dulles South Departure
134.700 / 371.100 Richmond Departure

I've got all the others coded; all I need do is make a seperate Norfolk section and it's good to go. 73s Mike

 

[freqhopping]

From what I've heard and seen the planes do, planes departing IAD to the south go from tower to 126.65 then to 121.05 and from there sometimes Linden ZDC.

Departing to the north they go from tower to 125.05 and when over Leesburg, between FNGER and THUMM, they switch to 125.65 if they will be heading east and eventually calling SWANN ZDC. If they head more westerly they switch to 123.825. From there they go to either Hagerstown or Martinsburg ZDC. This mainly applies to the Capital 5 and PRYME 2 type departures.