The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!

[chrismol1]

Love it when people get buthurt at PD encrypting their comms. You have zero legal rites to listen to PD so get over it.

It's interesting tho, there's no Constitutional right to listen to police and some in california is trying to reverse encryption but when it comes to 2nd amendment a constitutionally protected right that's fair game, and criminals can use both to commit crimes. I'd expect a state whose against the 2nd to equally apply that to scanners as well but...interesting. I'd argue monitoring police comms has more of an effect to delay apprehension committing crimes but.... On a side note, Gen 3 Glocks will be around forever thanks for Cali saying nothing newer than Gen 3 Glocks will be allowed on their allowed handgun roster due to restrictions

Ah yes, the old classic "I pay your salary!"

I've been asking for years and telling them I pay for their equipment but they still won't let me take the patrol car for a spin around the block

 

[Larry-G]

NOT to be confused with letting all law enforcement and all elected officials operate completely “in the dark” and “behind close doors” without ANY transparency and accountability to their constituents that they ACTUALLY work for and NOT the other way around.

That argument has no weight what so ever.

Those who are corrupt are going to continue to be so wether you can listen to their radio comms or not, as for them being your employees yeah nope.
We lost the ability to listen to blue light services in the UK some 20 years ago and it hasn’t turned our police into a Chinese or Russian secret police force.

Your want to listen to your local PD and FD is just that a want and in no way is it a rite and never will be.

 

[32dave]

there is no reason with todays tech that they don't need to encrypt radios, our provincial cops are issued a tablet as a MDT in the cruiser and a cell phone so if something shouldn't be heard by the public put it on their screen which they do now. But no the province is spending $892,000,000 on a new system when it was only hardware that needed replacing. I'll give an example, I live in a small town (pop 40,000) The police encrypted their radios a while ago now for whatever reason they don't respond by saying they are busy but who knows if they are or not and now the public doesn't support them and then you have a rear ender crash no injuries one not drivable blocking one lane and they send three cruisers but they are too busy to respond to calls like shop lifting or junkies stealing stuff and is getting to the point the public is going to deal with it themselves. So while I understand why they are doing it, but ultimately it will back fire

 

[craigwsr1]

Civilians do not have a right to listen in on police and ems calls. Everyone now has a scanner good and bad people have them. It is their life on the line. As far as EMS goes the call to the hospital transmitting health information must be protected for violation of HIPPA. The only right I know we all have is " The right to remain silent and the right to have a attorney present before questioning."

 

[rcid1971]

Public safety officials do not have a right to full time encryption.

This ends at the ballot box, recently Marion County Ohio’s newly elected sheriff dropped encryption on their primary dispatch channel for many of the reasons stated above.

 

[12dbsinad]

"You can always FOIA request radio traffic"

Hahaha, you mean only the radio traffic the Dept want's to release?

 

[Larry-G]

Public safety officials do not have a right to full time encryption.

This ends at the ballot box, recently Marion County Ohio’s newly elected sheriff dropped encryption on their primary dispatch channel for many of the reasons stated above.

I highly doubt that the ability to listen to PD radio comms will be a major issue on the ballot, don’t get me wrong I’m a scanner user and I enjoy listening but the general public don’t know or care about listening to PD and our community is tiny in the grand scheme of things.

 

[rcid1971]

I highly doubt that the ability to listen to PD radio comms will be a major issue on the ballot, don’t get me wrong I’m a scanner user and I enjoy listening but the general public don’t know or care about listening to PD and our community is tiny in the grand scheme of things.

It’s beginning to be an issue, sheriff’s office local races, ballot initiative in California. Akron after an officer involved shooting. Anti-encryption efforts are just getting started.

 

[waterbwuk]

I like how the PII argument is always brought up too. I can buy much more information on people (and lots more people) from the internet in just a few seconds. Not to mention, lots of these criminals you hear them running don't have credit worth a damn anyways. Why would I steal someones identity that has 30 warrants out for them...

One local department near me just went encrypted, but they left the narcotics/gang unit unencrypted. So I can't hear regular dispatch calls but I can listen to where they have their undercover cars sitting and what houses/suspects they are watching. Makes sense.

 

[Mark-Ohio]

To me encryption just seems like a waist of money for something which the time has past for any real gains from doing it. Now with in car computer terminal, chat, text, and cell phones available to use for sensitive information the radio is more of a safety backup in areas with poor cell coverage (which we still have many around here) and a quick way to call for backup then used for primary communications. When they are looking for a car or a person running, or even the dementia patient that walked away after a caregiver fell asleep, the more eyes looking out windows when you hear they are in your vicinity the better.

 

[12dbsinad]

When they are looking for a car or a person running, or even the dementia patient that walked away after a caregiver fell asleep, the more eyes looking out windows when you hear they are in your vicinity the better.

Nobody ever mentions the good that comes out of listening. Happens in my community fairly often when looking for a suspect, vehicle, etc. It's far greater than some criminal trying to use radio communications to aid in a crime.

 

[FFPM571]

Civilians do not have a right to listen in on police and ems calls. Everyone now has a scanner good and bad people have them. It is their life on the line. As far as EMS goes the call to the hospital transmitting health information must be protected for violation of HIPPA. The only right I know we all have is " The right to remain silent and the right to have a attorney present before questioning."

Your HIPAA excuse it not valid as there is no identifying personal info given about the Patient over the air. Age weight and sex and maybe if its a direct admit the recieving hospital will ask for first and last inital

 

[KV4PM]

This is the same type of short-sighted rubbish as "Bad people use guns for evil and illegal purposes, so let's ban guns." The common-sense solution would be to toughen the penalties for using information heard on a scanner to commit crimes.

 

[RadioGuy3007]

Civilians do not have a right to listen in on police and ems calls. Everyone now has a scanner good and bad people have them. It is their life on the line. As far as EMS goes the call to the hospital transmitting health information must be protected for violation of HIPPA. The only right I know we all have is " The right to remain silent and the right to have a attorney present before questioning."

You are completely wrong there bud.

 

[4436time]

Agencies will do what they will regardless, and their reasoning for encrypting what they do are inconsistent at best. Many have live streams while others are completely silent with the rest falling somewhere in between. One thing is certain, they need to stop being so concerned about what people may hear, including PII, and figure out how to standardize their responses to mass casualty situations, or the things people will see. Especially situations where they're highly armed and armored up and standing around while parents are going in to save their kids.

 

[CurtisPayne145]

You cannot honestly tell me that live scanners do not help the public help the police if someone flees from them, for example: I was listening to Springfield back in June out in Missouri and a DWI Deputy tried to stop a truck that took off from him and wrecked out on the JR highway, the subject ran and a woman called the police and gave them his location and they took him into custody, THE SAME SITUATION HAPPENED IN VA BEACH A FEW MONTHS AGO BUT THEY WONT ADMIT THAT, I'm a huge LEO supporter but I will not work for an LE agency who encrypts their radios, the police got enough issues as it is and encrypting makes it even more harder

 

[eg153wftx]

Why is Broadcastify going to give an encrypted agency an official feed delayed up to an hour or more with no archives just so that agency can express "transparency"? Seems to me it goes against the reason for RR and Broadcastifies original purpose, but it it all about the $$$$$$$$

 

[chrismol1]

Why is Broadcastify going to give an encrypted agency an official feed delayed up to an hour or more with no archives just so that agency can express "transparency"? Seems to me it goes against the reason for RR and Broadcastifies original purpose, but it it all about the $$$$$$$$

Its perfect isn't it? Agencies go encrypted because of streaming but in the name of transparency by the way of the past 2 years, some agencies will allow a delayed feed for that "transparency". Who will host that feed? Broadcastify!!! It went full circle man!! It couldn't be better for broadcastify! Its like a perfect storm. Its happening in the Cali thread too. In Cali with the PII stuff if they want to maintain some "public relations" so they may host a delayed feed? Who? Broadcastify!

 

[blantonl]

Its perfect isn't it? Agencies go encrypted because of streaming but in the name of transparency by the way of the past 2 years, some agencies will allow a delayed feed for that "transparency". Who will host that feed? Broadcastify!!! It went full circle man!! It couldn't be better for broadcastify! Its like a perfect storm. Its happening in the Cali thread too. In Cali with the PII stuff if they want to maintain some "public relations" so they may host a delayed feed? Who? Broadcastify!

I can't tell if this in tongue in cheek, or a dig at Broadcastify, but...

Chris, you are more than welcome to start Broadcastification, put your years of experience in doing this stuff to work, and help agencies get online.

You know, agencies still have choices for social media profiles, but I haven't seen my city on Truth Social or Google+.

 

[Larry-G]

Its perfect isn't it? Agencies go encrypted because of streaming but in the name of transparency by the way of the past 2 years, some agencies will allow a delayed feed for that "transparency". Who will host that feed? Broadcastify!!! It went full circle man!! It couldn't be better for broadcastify! Its like a perfect storm. Its happening in the Cali thread too. In Cali with the PII stuff if they want to maintain some "public relations" so they may host a delayed feed? Who? Broadcastify!

Sounds like the perfect monopoly to me. Lol.