Thoughts on FCC going "on strike"

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(Yes this is slightly political topic but Im trying to focus on the FCC, being the controlling agency of all radio operations, which is why this awesome place exists!)

Personally I welcome it. All mergers with multiple administrations in past few years have done nothing worthwhile in my book. All the recent amateur proposed changes Im against. And I think this is going to force some commercial groups to pay attention and maybe get Congress to actually fix the FCC instead of kicking stuff down the road. Just because a president changes doesnt mean anything good is still going to come out of this. Its still all about the money regardless whos in charge, which to me isnt good for amateur work since that has nothing to do about the money (except when they want to charge us fees)
 

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FCC commissioner appointees are, by definition, political. They don't necessarily have to know anything as their staffs will deal with the details leaving the appointee free to vote based on party affiliation or lobbyist influence.
 

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First, the FCC employees (of which this article has no bearing) can not strike, they are prohibited by law. Second of all the article is very much slanted and political. Finally, if you think one side or the other really would make a difference and actually "FIX" the FCC based on the addition or exclusion of one member I think you are mistaken.
 

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First, the FCC employees (of which this article has no bearing) can not strike, they are prohibited by law. Second of all the article is very much slanted and political. Finally, if you think one side or the other really would make a difference and actually "FIX" the FCC based on the addition or exclusion of one member I think you are mistaken.
Completely agree. The "strike" remark was me trying to be funny with a quote from the article. Deadlock yes is the proper term however.

Im more referring to the fact that a deadlock might wake some folks up to how much is wrong, which might make a difference to get them to work past the deadlock.
 

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The chair could also "put the FCC 'on strike,' cancelling upcoming spectrum auctions and suspending consumer electronics certifications (no electronic equipment of any type, from smartphone to home computer to microwave oven, can be sold in the United States without a certification from the FCC that it will not interfere with wireless communications)," Feld wrote. "Such actions would have wide repercussions for the wireless, electronics, and retail industries."

The "on strike" comment referred to the FCC Chairman suspending FCC activities. It had nothing to do with the employees.

As for the assertion that "no electronic equipment of any type...can be sold in the United States without a certification from the FCC", we've seen how well that works with the influx of intentional and unintentional radiators from Asia. Anyone who thinks that the FCC or ICE is standing at the docks stopping shipments of un-certified equipment is insulated from reality.
 

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As for the assertion that "no electronic equipment of any type...can be sold in the United States without a certification from the FCC", we've seen how well that works with the influx of intentional and unintentional radiators from Asia. Anyone who thinks that the FCC or ICE is standing at the docks stopping shipments of un-certified equipment is insulated from reality.

Oh totally agree, but the big ones (apple, samsung, etc) will be caught up by this. How many folks are gonna complain that they cant get the latest iphone or ps5?
 

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In general, it is foolish to expect that the animals that live in the swamp will be the animals that will drain the swamp. After all, that would be directly contradictory to the bureaucratic maxim of political self-preservation, and it flies in the face of the traditions of continuity and the perennial enhancing of the political status quo while ignoring the plights of the constituency.
 
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The FCC is lobbying congress to allow them to put a price tag on Amateur Radio- a totally non commercial use of the airwaves and in doing so will likely destroy the hobby. It will surely prevent young people from entering and those in from upgrading their licenses. Amateur Radio self polices!
 

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Yes, the FCC does enforce it's rules. You can find a list of recent enforcement actions on their website. One of the more notable recent actions was against a company selling inexpensive handheld radios to off-road enthusiasts. That topic is being discussed here.

The FCC has proposed imposing fees on the issuance and renewal of licenses, including amateur radio. That's not exactly "a price tag on Amateur Radio". The FCC has made this proposal in an effort to follow a Congressional mandate to offset operational costs with various fees.
 

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The FCC is lobbying congress to allow them to put a price tag on Amateur Radio- a totally non commercial use of the airwaves and in doing so will likely destroy the hobby. It will surely prevent young people from entering and those in from upgrading their licenses. Amateur Radio self polices!

Based on my recent experiences with the Amateur VEC community and clubs, the hobby is destroying itself through an insular and clannish attitude towards applicants. Their parochialism towards other than their favorite modes is also off-putting. Listening to some on 40 meters in the early evening is akin to listening to a number of drunken sailors with their profanity laced rants and boorish behaviours.

As far as Rugged Radios, the FCC finally did something, but look at how long it took. Untold numbers of radios capable of interfering with public safety were sold to unqualified people and groups while the FCC dithered.
 

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The FCC is really only interested in those entities that put money into its coffers, and hams aren't one of them. Perhaps if we hams started paying a license fee...... but then again.....
 

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The FCC is lobbying congress to allow them to put a price tag on Amateur Radio- a totally non commercial use of the airwaves and in doing so will likely destroy the hobby. It will surely prevent young people from entering and those in from upgrading their licenses. Amateur Radio self polices!
I wouldn't be AGAINST a REASONABLE license fee. GMRS is $70 for ten years. Perhaps the same for ham radio ????? If we'd stop looking at Amateur Radio as a "hobby", filter out the "lids", and actually require some technical knowledge and skill, it might get more respect and attention. Let's do an attitude change towards more of a "volunteer community service" mindset instead. After all, we can do more than those who collect baseball cards, postage stamps, or mount butterflies onto poster boards.
 

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Based on my recent experiences with the Amateur VEC community and clubs, the hobby is destroying itself through an insular and clannish attitude towards applicants. Their parochialism towards other than their favorite modes is also off-putting. Listening to some on 40 meters in the early evening is akin to listening to a number of drunken sailors with their profanity laced rants and boorish behaviours.

As far as Rugged Radios, the FCC finally did something, but look at how long it took. Untold numbers of radios capable of interfering with public safety were sold to unqualified people and groups while the FCC dithered.

My initial experience (1990) with VEC's (CAVEC) and "clubs" was every bit the same as yours. These were older guys who were gloating about the amount of money they'd made off of testing fees, and how they ought to go out and treat themselves to a steak dinner afterwards - gloating so loudly that no one in the very echoic room could hear the cheap cassette player they were using for the code test. I got up, walked to the front of the room, snatched my money away from the one jerk doing all the boasting, and went elsewhere to take my test. We need to get rid of the testing fees, since VEC's can't seem to be VOLUNTEER (or decent) about it, and go back to FCC-only testing. Oh, and bring back code testing, too!!!!! The club (or was it a cult ??) I had joined in 1990 was so into political correctness that the only things one could dare talk about on their precious repeaters was "five over nine" (whatever the heck that really is), how well one was "making it into the repeater", and what kind of antenna one had just bought at the "boneyard". The "slanguage" is really goofy, and the rest of the civilized world has no idea what we're talking about when we don't use plain English. But hey! We've got to SOUND important !

I've actually seen a ham get on a local police channel, bring up the phone patch, and make prank calls. Nobody wanted to do anything about it at the time. How this person could get away with such behavior, I'll never know.

One young licensee I'd met, who was 14 at the time, said to me after a year into being licensed (this was about 1997), that he and his family (all who had gotten licensed the same day) had taken a hard look at the situation, and decided to get rid of their ham stuff, turn in their licenses, and put their efforts and time into the internet after local hams had treated them like absolute crap on local repeaters. After all, they reasoned, they had phones - they can call whomever they wanted, talk about whatever they want to, and if they want to be politically incorrect THEY CAN !!! So the Amateur Service lost three JUST LIKE THAT! WAY TO GO HAM RADIO !

Let's not forget that "renegade" repeater out in California. If that doesn't make ham radio look bad, nothing does!

The SERVICE (not "hobby") is indeed destroying itself from within, and has been doing so for quite a long time. No less than 30 years by my count. But what do I know ?
 
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No VEC group is making money off the $15 testing fee. It barely covers the costs of obtaining the testing materials for each session and postage for mailing the certified results.
 
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