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Unication G-Series Voice Pager with Digital Trunked Scanner Feature

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Just need them to get stacked paging to work right
J I think you will enjoy the next update. I see this beta has provisions for you. You will need to know the gap between each of the two addresses in ms.

Also Call alias by UID
 

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For all practical purposes Unication has done an outstanding job. Covered allot
of ground with this beta. One full day and I am still busy exploring. Jimmy there are provisions for stacked paging too.How about that!
 

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A much better improvement from the last update. The Unication techs are really listening to us!

I don't have Facebook so I'm going to post here and also copy this and reply-all to the group email.

Certainly, if anyone here can help with these issues that we're seeing, feel free to chime in!

For our daily operations, PGTL scan is the most practical function, obviously because we are able to scan multiple systems at the same time.

Here's what we're finding that should be improved outside of PGTL scan:

If you have several TG's on one knob position, as most of us here probably do, there is of course an option to hold on to a TG . When you press the hold button, the unit will hold on to the TG but it will not show what TG it's holding. The unit does display "Trunking Hold" at the bottom of the screen so you know that you are in the Hold mode, but it would be great if the unit would display the TG alias on which the unit was holding. Currently in that area that the TG alias would normally be, the screen is blank.

(For our purposes locally, we are scanning two different counties. Each county is on a separate system)
Here are some issues that we'd like to see changed on the next upgrade while scanning a Paging Talk Group List:

When in PGTL scan, and scanning multiple systems, the screen will still not time out; it stays on the entire time.
Because this takes more battery power, we'd like to see a screen time-out function while scanning multiple systems.

We still like to have the unit to activate on QCII tones while in PGTL scan. Currently this option is still not available.

While the one-second delay between switching systems is much better than 10 seconds in one previous firmware version a while back, we are still missing voice traffic. In addition to the one second hold on each system, it takes an additional second for the unit to acquire a signal from the second system. This is enough time to miss voice traffic (and later, a QCII tone activation when the function is available).

However, one big improvement is to be able to see TG aliases on both systems now, not just the primary system as was the case before.

Here are some questions and suggestions that we have for PTGL scanning that may or may not be able to be done:

Are there plans for / is the unit capable of scanning two systems' control channels at the same time? This would eliminate the delays between.
Can there be a way to prioritize the TG's in the PTGL scan mode like there is when you put more than one TG on a knob position?
 

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I wish I didn't have to delete my facebook account, glad to see the forum alive with people sharing of their experiences with the programming. I am a novice at best with programming any radio with software as it is. Cant wait to download the beta later today and try my hand at it. TG hold will be a game changer me.
 

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Hi Jordan,

Here are some issues I've found after a day of beta testing:

1. When in PTGL mode, the TG Alias is not displayed upon receiving a transmission unless the knob position is on a zone/position that has the TG Alias programmed in it's TG list. If possible the TG Alias should always be displayed in PTGL mode regardless of knob position.

2. When in trunking free scan and scanning a lower and upper limit of frequencies, once the pager stops on a CC it stays on the CC only until a voice transmission ends. Once the transmission ends it starts searching for the next CC which takes a VERY long time given the wide range of frequencies (770Mhz-860Mhz for my area). If possible the radio should stay on the CC, and only resume searching if you press the "next" button. It would also be ok to allow a long delay time before resuming frequency search, but the delay resume should be an on/off option.

3. It would be very helpful if "PTGL" could be made a menu option for all home screens. Currently you must go several layers into the menu to access PTGL if you're not on a trunking free scan knob position.

I also want to say that I'm enjoying these new features very much! I appreciate everything you're doing for the scanning community. Thank you for allowing me to beta test and please keep up the great work!

Matt
 

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If you have several TG's on one knob position, as most of us here probably do, there is of course an option to hold on to a TG . When you press the hold button, the unit will hold on to the TG but it will not show what TG it's holding. The unit does display "Trunking Hold" at the bottom of the screen so you know that you are in the Hold mode, but it would be great if the unit would display the TG alias on which the unit was holding. Currently in that area that the TG alias would normally be, the screen is blank.


Same here...talkgroup and UID only displayed during a received transmission, otherwise it's blank. The talkgroup alias should remain on the screen and the UID should display on and off depending on the subscriber transmitting. Additionally, the UID alias saved in the Member List Setting does not display on TG hold, only the numeric UID.

Here are some more suggestions, bugs, etc: For comparison and testing purposes today I'm running a G5, (2) APX8000's and (2) APX6000's. All are valid subscribers on multiple systems.

Still getting a "P25T" when scanning on to a talkgroup where a received transmission is already taking place. In other words, the UID is not coming in as a late entry.

***Turning off voice buffering allows the G5 to receive in sync with my APX subscribers, otherwise its delayed by about a 1/2 second behind the subscriber. That slight time delay becomes highly annoying when I'm trying to listen to the APX and the G5 stops on the same talkgroup. With voice buffering enabled, I've noticed during Trunking TG Scan that the G5 will also hold the talkgroup for about a second or so before going back to scan, which is great improvement when following a conversation between two or more units. This is also useful because it gives the user time to enable TG Hold before it scans away. However, when voice buffering is disabled, the talkgroup will scan off immediately upon the end of a transmission instead of holding for that 1 sec which causes missed transmissions and enabling TG Hold more difficult. This "scan delay" shoud either be implemented whether or not voice buffering is enabled or disabled and allow the user to select the scan delay timing so I can match it to my subscribers.*** (my biggest complaint so far).

During Trunking Free Scan PTGL, UIDs are lagging behind. In other words, it's displaying the console UID when the unit is transmitting.

I knocked the multi-site scan down to its lowest setting (1 sec) and I'm still missing traffic. It's taking an additional second to acquire the CC so when scanning multiple systems you will miss things. That is expected, but again when compared to my APX subscribers running Multi-System talkgroup or Intelligent Priority, I'm missing more with the G5.

Several instances when scanning multiple systems where I'm getting white noise (similar to when the volume is turned down low and and transmission comes through) through the speaker which does not go after a talkgroup displays real quick. The white noise will continue even when scannign thouse systems and a received transmission occurs and it goes back to scanning until I change off the PTGL through a knob turn. You then have to go back into the menu and reselect the PTGL scan option.

Received transmisions still interrupt menu selections.

Allow alpha tagging of RFSS/Site so it displays on the main screen.

Change BLOK to NUIS. It looks cheesy and call it what it is, nuisance delete.

PPS issues/suggestions:

Move the PTGL to Tab 5 as a drop down in receiving mode which then prompts you to the current list in Tab 7 Trunking Free Scan. This was you can add it to a knob position in Tab 5 instead of scrolling though a menu (that gets interrupted every time a transmission is received).

The alpha tagging of UID's reuest has finally been answered ! 999 total is not alot for multiple systems. And you expect me to enter 999 instead of just a simple import?!?! I can "import from console" in APX CPS or use akardam's UCL builder for my subscribers and I can import from a .csv file for Uniden and Whistler scanners. Cmon guys, add an import function and base it on the text in the header on Tab 4 such as "Call Alias" and "P25T" with the decimal value. There is an import function on the Group and Group Call ID setting but that only allows you to import a .csv from RadioReference. I want to import my own crap, not theirs.

999 again is not alot. Up that to about 2500. Like stated below, that should also be linked to a particular system. While I can use the same alias which I couldn't with Group and Group Call ID, I cannot reuse the same DEC/HEX. I'll use two neighboring counties in NY for example, Orange and Rockland. Orange decided to copy Rockland with their UID structure. So UID 204301 is a South Nyack PD unit in Rockland, while in Orange its a Blooming Grove PD unit. So I can only have one 204301 which will display the same alias on both systems that are right next to each other.

Group and Group Call ID setting should be linked to a system and I should be able to move entries up and down so I can keep system talkgroups together. Linking to a system will also allow the same alpha tag to be used more than once. I can't tell you how many times i've had to be creative with FD RESP 1, FIRE RESP 1, FD RESPONSE 1, FIRE RESPONSE1, etc. since I have systems from Key West, FL to Massachusettes in the G5.

This is from listening for a few hours today and glancing through the software. I'm positive I will find more when I beat the hell out of this thing next week on multiple systems all over south Florida. I'm glad Unication finally allowed me to be a beta tester. I've reported numerous issues literally hours after they released their new firmware which I could have easily found for them prior to release. I'm glad they are listening. This beta is good, but are you happy with good ?
 

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1. When in PTGL mode, the TG Alias is not displayed upon receiving a transmission unless the knob position is on a zone/position that has the TG Alias programmed in it's TG list.
That's the way PTGL has worked since it first appeared in the early beta firmware releases. That also applies to multi system scanning: every TG Alias for every system must be in 1 knob position. This means there's a limit of 64 TGs which have aliases when multi system scanning. The rest of the TGs will show the TG number.

Hopefully Unication can figure out a way to break the dependency on a knob position for displaying TG aliases in PTGL.
 

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Is it possible to have the large side button activate the HOLD feature during normal operation, just like it does in PTGL?

I have to say the improvements to PPS have been excellent in this latest beta - nice work!
 

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I dont use it I use linked knob positions.You can scan upto 8 knob positions as long as they are TG scan mode positions,I control what TG and sites I want to scan even have TG wildcard in one position.

Yeah, the Freescan thing looks pretty pointless...the PTGL looks to have some future though, especially as a quick means to throw a bunch of old preprogrammed codeplug channels into large scan lists.

Paul
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yes for sure i told jordan this I like to add the side and KEEP the front, as I know one testers side button no longer works.
I bet you like me so glad we got TG HOLD and TG remove to use in our normal TG scan knob positions.
Once we set that in the PPS it is set for all, and no going thru menu on pager.

Is it possible to have the large side button activate the HOLD feature during normal operation, just like it does in PTGL?

I have to say the improvements to PPS have been excellent in this latest beta - nice work!
 

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yes for sure i told jordan this I like to add the side and KEEP the front, as I know one testers side button no longer works.
I bet you like me so glad we got TG HOLD and TG remove to use in our normal TG scan knob positions.
Once we set that in the PPS it is set for all, and no going thru menu on pager.
Top side button starts recording on my unit
 

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So, for programming TRUNKING FREESCAN, you get a low and high frequency box for CC search, like a Uniden scanner. You then get a box for step size. That is it, you get a choice to have the knob say TRUNKING FREE SCAN or whatever, but that is your programming screen for this new function. There are some other menu screens that you check off turning side and top buttons into HOLD and BLOCK, and a place to put the scan delay, but programmingwise, thats about all there is to get up and running.

So for quick starting in trunking freescan, I suggest simply putting the CC in the low box, and then 6Khz higher step as the high box...this way, your doing the best you can to lock the CC, which they damn well should include as the standard way of monitoring stuff. From there, you program, turn to that knob, and it will start TRUNKING TG MONITOR on the control channel, and just like a Uniden scanner, you will see ALL talkgroups active, the ones you already imported into the G talkgroup list, the one its always had, will all show their channel names. You get a HOLD and a BLOCK and you even get...get this, a delay countdown timer that displays when the talkgroup stops talking...you even get a soft menu button to turn off the delay or turn it back on, on the fly.

I personally havent figured out how to get the PGTL whatever to work, no clue...I would be happy at this point if they just completely did away with FREESCAN and just put those functions into TRUNKING TG MONITOR, which is basically freescan with the ability to point at a preprogrammed trunking network. Also wanting DELAY on normal legacy modes REAL BAD.

Paul
 

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Another thing I forgot to mention was the RSSI callibration function. The option to turn it on or off is still found in the diagnostics screen where you can turn it on. But when you leave that screen, either by the back button or "exit" option, the callibration will automatically turn off.
 
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