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Video I made of setting a Baofeng UV-5R on fire

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from the info on the site. Good one or not?
V2+ was listed, just didn't see it at the time.

2nd generation is the latest. Even with the V2+, there are still several more variations that I have yet to determine what is the difference. You did good to get the 2nd generation version. 73, Dave K4EET
 

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I have a UV-5R. It's pathetic.

The receiver is awful. Sure, it's sensitive but no selectivity at all. None. I had no idea the UHF commercial paging transmitter was still on the air in my town until I turned the UV-5R on. It hears everything....at the same time, all the time.

Not sure how or why you have some many problems with your UV-5R but we have at a minimum of 8 drivers who have a minimum of 2 UV-5R Plus radios and they work perfectly, every time, every day, all day long. I had 4 of them but after asking a question about them on here and getting dog-piled on by the keepers of the airways keys with the threat of being sent under the prison for even purchasing one let alone the horror of actually turning the power on I gave them all away to some neighborhood kids and spent 15X the money on mediocre commercial radios.

What's a "bug out kit" ? Is that like a tin foil anti government/zombie thing ?

That bug out scenerio is for those with issues and zombie tv dreams.

I don't have a tinfoil anti-gooberment/zombie thing or zombie TV dreams but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once and I have a go-kit.

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Not sure how or why you have some many problems with your UV-5R but we have at a minimum of 8 drivers who have a minimum of 2 UV-5R Plus radios and they work perfectly, every time, every day, all day long.

Have you ever put one on a service monitor? Our R-8000 doesn't lie. The radios are broadband as heck with no selectivity, put out nasty spurs up and down the band. They don't put out near the rated power.

As far as the video, it's really not amazing considering what little is inside a CCR. One chip comprises the entire workings of the radio with an outboard CPU, PA and voltage regulator. With so few components so long as the main board is intact, it's easy to see how it could survive a fire and still function.The plastic housing absorbed all the impact and heat.

Now the real question is how well? Anyone want to contact the author and get them to send me their burnt Baofeng? We'll see what a service monitor says. Show me something in spec from that product line in any condition and that would be something to write a thread about.
 

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Over the past weekend I did some rather extreme testing on one of the Chinese made Baofeng UV-5R dual-band HT's and asked permission from radioreference support to post the link here. Love them or hate them the Baofeng took a lot of punishment and kept on ticking. Definitely a cheap HT, but definitely worth having in any bug-out bag in my opinion. Hope you enjoy the little video.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZCDBsBuhmg



Thanks & 73

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This. Was. Awesome!!!

Would you mind if I post the link to this informative, funny and well made video to a couple of the ham radio-related Face Book groups I subscribe to?

Again, great stuff!

73 de W4PKR
Jim
 

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Have you ever put one on a service monitor? Our R-8000 doesn't lie. The radios are broadband as heck with no selectivity, put out nasty spurs up and down the band. They don't put out near the rated power.

I'm not the type to purchase a retail item and immediately test it with specialized equipment just to prove or disprove the manufacturers claims. Never done it with a car, cell phone, radio etc. Now if it fails to work at all then I may look for a reason but otherwise I'm a consumer not a tester.

With respect to the Baofeng radios, all I know is aside from myself and one other that every one of our specialized trucks is running them to hand out to escorts, police etc and they just work. What they are doing up and down the band I have no idea but on the frequencies their using they do exactly what the operators need them to do, all day long, every day. My licensed commercial units work, no worse and certainly no better than the Baofeng units. In fact yesterday there were 2 of us operating a couple miles apart. I could hear and communicate perfectly with the people in his group (2 pilots and 2 Georgia State Police) on my mobile unit but he couldn't hear any of my commercial units on his. I know there's a lot more variables than just the brand of radios but I have over $2k invested in my gear plus the cost of the licensing and he had under $300 invested in his. I am locked into 5 channels that can only be programmed by a computer with proprietary software and his are unlimited and can be programmed with open source software or even from the unit itself.

Yes, he's breaking laws running his gear and so were the 50,000 people who passed us running over the posted speed limit.
 

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While we're on this subject of these Baofeng radios I have a question for the moderators here.

Since the only way to "legally" transmit from one of these radios is to be a licensed HAM which correct me if I'm wrong but that's considered Amateur Radio correct? Then the OP posts this in the Amateur Radio section only to get it immediately relocated to Budget and Entry Level in the Commercial, Professional and Personal section where GMRS/FRS/MURS/CB reside.

So what's the logic behind telling people they have to possess an Amateur License to transmit on one of these but as soon as someone says Baofeng in the Amateur threads they are kicked to the budget threads??
 

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I'm not a moderator but the Baofeng UV-5R and many other cheap Chinese radios are FCC part 90 accepted for business and commercial use, in addition to amateur. So this seems to be the correct place for this thread.
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While we're on this subject of these Baofeng radios I have a question for the moderators here.

Since the only way to "legally" transmit from one of these radios is to be a licensed HAM which correct me if I'm wrong but that's considered Amateur Radio correct? Then the OP posts this in the Amateur Radio section only to get it immediately relocated to Budget and Entry Level in the Commercial, Professional and Personal section where GMRS/FRS/MURS/CB reside.

So what's the logic behind telling people they have to possess an Amateur License to transmit on one of these but as soon as someone says Baofeng in the Amateur threads they are kicked to the budget threads??
 

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I'm not a moderator but the Baofeng UV-5R and many other cheap Chinese radios are FCC part 90 accepted for business and commercial use, in addition to amateur. So this seems to be the correct place for this thread.
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Okay, that's what I was asking for. I'm not a HAM and don't understand all the part acceptances so you answered my question. Thank You.
 

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Just out of curiosity.

Can anyone tell if/when you're transmitting from a radio with FCC approved parts or not, assuming you transmit in accordance with power limitations? Because if it can not be determined from the receiving end, then what's the difference using a cheap model -vs- a 5 X more expensive one from a brand name for the SAME exact purpose?
 

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Can anyone tell if/when you're transmitting from a radio with FCC approved parts or not, assuming you transmit in accordance with power limitations?
If the transmitter is putting out spurs or harmonics or is off frequency, people with the right equipment can tell. They can also tell if the transmitter is not using an appropriate modulation type for the frequency in use.

If the operator has the knowlege, skills and test equipment necessary to ensure that the transmitter is clean, on frequency and using a modulation type that the FCC allows to be used a particular frequency then you can't tell by receiving if the radio is legal or not.
 
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If the transmitter is putting out spurs or harmonics, is off frequency, people with the right equipment can tell. They can also tell if the transmitter is not using an appropriate modulation type for the frequency in use.

If the operator has the knowlege, skills and test equipment to ensure that the transmitter is clean, on frequency and using a modulation type that the FCC allows to be used a particular frequency then you can't tell if the radio is legal or not.

Thank you, it sounds very interesting from a technical point of view.

Has anyone tested out these very popular little Chinese radios like that? I've searched for such info on the web but couldn't find any data or test results. People only write generic reviews about them, most like them a lot, a very few hate them (especially the ones without local US repair centers or warranty), but nothing about such info in actual usage.
 

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Has anyone tested out these very popular little Chinese radios like that?
Yes. The ARRL and some other people tested a buch of Baofeng radios and about 1/2 of them failed to meet FCC specs. See: https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/baofeng-spectral-purity-or-lack-thereof.497041

I thought somebody posted about that here on RR but I can't find it now.

Search the archives on this blog: https://hamgear.wordpress.com. He tested most of the radios he reviewed on a service monitor.
 

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Yes. The ARRL and some other people tested a buch of Baofeng radios and about 1/2 of them failed to meet FCC specs. See: https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/baofeng-spectral-purity-or-lack-thereof.497041

I thought somebody posted about that here on RR but I can't find it now.

Search the archives on this blog: https://hamgear.wordpress.com. He tested most of the radios he reviewed on a service monitor.

Thanks a lot, this is the kind of info I was looking for exactly. Very surprising results.

I think these type of actual tests should be published next to each and every radio sold in the US in order to give consumers a fair amount of information about the items they buy.

I'm wondering if there are any changes for the better? For e.g. I've read on this forum that one Bao is now FCC compliant, so I guess at least some manufacturers make positive changes and come out with higher quality products, which benefit the users, the industry and the hobby altogether as well.

Thanks again, and I keep searching for similar test results for my little Baofeng BF-F9 V2+ as well, which by the way, I like a lot!
(...but again, I like my walkies too, so... :D :D :D )
 

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Most consumers would not understand or care about technical specs.

FCC certification is meaningless now. Manufacturers can lie about the products, the testing labs pass anything and the FCC doesn't police the testing labs or manufacturers.
 

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Most consumers would not understand or care about technical specs.

FCC certification is meaningless now. Manufacturers can lie about the products, the testing labs pass anything and the FCC doesn't police the testing labs or manufacturers.


They may not even have the staffing anymore to test anything. FCC is more concerned with selling spectrum these days.
 

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They may not even have the staffing anymore to test anything
The FCC doesn't do certification or declaration of conformity testing themselves.
That is all done by test labs and the test labs must be accredited by test firm accrediting bodies (TFAB).
 

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The test was pretty cool.

I, However dropped a Baofeng. The battery's latch broke. It no longer stays on the radio. Of course, a new battery would correct the problem and the *radio* itself suffered no damage.

We need a "throw up against a brick wall" test and a "drop from a tower onto concrete" test.

Sledgehammers and firearms have already been done, with expected results.

On the approval and all that:

There are some radios out there that could generate harmonics on frequencies the user has no intention or knowledge of. You could be innocently talking on a legal amateur frequency and could be transmitting on a harmonic, interfering with say, a police department. The certification process is *supposed to* prevent that. As you've seen on previous replies, this process can fail dramatically.

On one type of radio, it was discovered you could program it to transmit on the 220 band, where it was not designed to go.

Upon further testing, the radio transmitted about a watt on this 220 frequency and transmitted 5 watts on the 440 harmonic. Not good.

At all times, maintain proper engineering practices and if you want to experiment, make sure you have the appropriate test equipment to make sure you are doing what you want to do.

When testing a transmitter... check those harmonics.
 
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