We Need Updated and New Database Information for California

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166.67500* AirTac 1*
169.15000* AirTac 2*
169.20000* AirTac 3*
151.28000* AirTac 4*
151.29500* AirTac 5*
151.31000* AirTac 6*
151.27250* AirTac21*
151.28750* AirTac22*
151.30250* AirTac23*
151.22000* CDF Air/Gnd*
167.95000* BLM A/G*
170.00000* USFS A/G*
168.62500* AIR GUARD*

This is the current line up for Region 5/California for this season. All are narrow band emission type. The frequencies you are referring to may not be usual Region 5 frequencies. With all the activity this season on NorCal the NICC CDO has been borrowing heavily from other areas.

My information came from the 2008 version of the National Interagency Radio Support Cache (NIRSC) VHF Channel Plan. I was advised by the communications unit leader on a fire in the Mammoth Lakes area that the terminology of Air Tactics 1-7 had been dropped at the national level. He advised that 167.950, 166.6875, and 171.1375 had been permanently assigned for air tactics in the NIRSC and are called "National Air Frequencies" on the VHF channel plan. These seven air frequencies are kept for initial attack as much as possible.

Frequency assignments that are not in the 7 logistics, camp net, tactical, command, and air frequencies are often made for large incidents. Some are borrowed from the Federal Interoperability frequencies and others are drawn from a pool of non-allocated federal frequencies that varies by zone (there are 4 zones in California). These non-allocated frequencies change from year to year. The federal allocations and the non-assigned frequencies are kept of a DVD that must be secured in a safe by comm unit leaders and radio techs. There are updates to the DVD that come out monthly and the comm unit leader uses this disk to come up with frequencies beyond the basic seven permanently assigned by the National Interagency Incident Communications Division at NIFC.

The 7 logistics repeater pairs have changed as a result of narrow banding and the new direction in the NTIA Redbook concerning the spread between the input and output frequencies and the lower of the two frequencies being the repeater output. In addition there are permanently allocated frequencies for linking UHF and VHF repeaters used on incidents, another set permanently assigned for linking aircraft frequencies, and another set of simplex frequencies for camp net, security, etc. I cannot share this frequency information as a result of its confidentiality and my obtaining it as a result of my retiree status with the Forest Service. Sorry!
 

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My information came from the 2008 version of the National Interagency Radio Support Cache (NIRSC) VHF Channel Plan. I was advised by the communications unit leader on a fire in the Mammoth Lakes area that the terminology of Air Tactics 1-7 had been dropped at the national level. He advised that 167.950, 166.6875, and 171.1375 had been permanently assigned for air tactics in the NIRSC and are called "National Air Frequencies" on the VHF channel plan. These seven air frequencies are kept for initial attack as much as possible.

Frequency assignments that are not in the 7 logistics, camp net, tactical, command, and air frequencies are often made for large incidents. Some are borrowed from the Federal Interoperability frequencies and others are drawn from a pool of non-allocated federal frequencies that varies by zone (there are 4 zones in California). These non-allocated frequencies change from year to year. The federal allocations and the non-assigned frequencies are kept of a DVD that must be secured in a safe by comm unit leaders and radio techs. There are updates to the DVD that come out monthly and the comm unit leader uses this disk to come up with frequencies beyond the basic seven permanently assigned by the National Interagency Incident Communications Division at NIFC.

The 7 logistics repeater pairs have changed as a result of narrow banding and the new direction in the NTIA Redbook concerning the spread between the input and output frequencies and the lower of the two frequencies being the repeater output. In addition there are permanently allocated frequencies for linking UHF and VHF repeaters used on incidents, another set permanently assigned for linking aircraft frequencies, and another set of simplex frequencies for camp net, security, etc. I cannot share this frequency information as a result of its confidentiality and my obtaining it as a result of my retiree status with the Forest Service. Sorry!

Yes, you are correct, however those three frequencies have not been programmed into any of the radios I am familiar with. They are not in the FIRESCOPE plan like the one's I posted. They may be adopted for next fire season, but as of today they are not part of the official frequency plan for California. Again, this may change for next year, but I cannot confirm that since the FIRESCOPE Communications Committee has not met to discuss that. If they are being used in California, then they are part of the ad hoc frequency coordination that is being used and would be incident specific.
 

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171.1375 has been used on the large fires on the Los Padres. Some of our members in the Salinas Valley and Monterey have reported its use. It was also used on some of the large fires in southern California last year. I understand that it does not show up on FIRESCOPE and state frequency lists. I'm looking at the official frequency list for a NIRSC repeater that was taken out of the large fiberglass case it is contained in. The Comm Unit leader for the Sherwin Fire took it out of the case and handed it to me.

The ad hoc frequencies are those that are not on the list I obtained. There are four zones in California for the purpose of assigning frequencies that are not on the list I have. A computer is used to determine if the use of a particular frequency will cause interference on a frequency allocated to a federal agency. If it isn't then it is used for an incident. The Comm Unit Leader told me that each zone has command, tactical, and air tactics frequencies assigned up to about 30 annually. This list changes each year as some of those frequencies are allocated to other agencies, but are not being used in the current year, but might be allocated for use to an agency the next year. Looking at the long lists that people have provided for the large southern California fires last year and the fires on the Los Padres National Forest this year finds a lot of FM air/air tactics - air/ground frequencies that we haven't seen listed before. Some from last year haven't shown up this year. The pool of federal frequencies for each of the four zones in California is huge, so huge that without the computer, according to the Comm Unit leader I spoke with, the job would be overwhelmingly complicated.

I should note that the 166.6875 has been permanently assigned for the Sierra Front zone of Nevada (Minden dispatch for the Toiyabe National Forest, Carson City District of the BLM , and NDF Western Region) as the secondary air to ground frequency.

Another set of frequencies that haven't shown up in the FIRESCOPE plan is the new crew nets or "Intra-Crew Communications Plan" frequencies. I've posted these four frequencies before and added them to the Wiki site under the National Incident Radio Support Cache listing. The frequencies are:

163.7125* National Crew (for use mobilizing and traveling to incidents)
167.1375 Primary Crew (for use on incidents)
168.6125* Secondary Crew (for use on incidents)
173.6250 Tertiary Crew (for use on incidents)

The frequencies with an * are the new federal common simplex frequencies that are replacing 163.100 and 168.350, which are now assigned for temporary/itinerant repeater use. The list I obtained from the cache repeater still shows 163.100 and 168.350 as simplex commons. It will probably be a couple of years before all the agencies catch up and make the change. I have already heard 168.6125 being used as a tactical in a couple of National Parks in California and must be a replacement for 168.350, which had been the standard tactical used in National Parks for many years.

Lots of changes are occurring, especially in the UHF band where the NTIA Redbook contained a lot of new direction for use of frequencies in that band. I don't think we will see any of the zone federal pool frequencies listed in the FIRESCOPE comm plan as they change each year. From now on it will be important to have a scanner on search once a fire gets large enough that initial attack frequencies and the Type 3-5 organization hands the incident over to a Type 1 or 2 incident management team. That is when the use of the zone pool will occur.

Don't forget to have the federal interoperability frequencies in a scanner when you are within reception range of a large incident. We have seen some of those frequencies used for both command and tactical. I'm glad that the capacity of the PSR-600's I just bought this winter allow for all these new frequencies. My "old" PRO-96 doesn't have enough capacity to do the job correctly.
 

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171.1375 has been used on the large fires on the Los Padres. Some of our members in the Salinas Valley and Monterey have reported its use. It was also used on some of the large fires in southern California last year.

Zaca Fire (Los Padres) 4Jul07-2Sep07
166.6875 Torch Base (first heard 5Aug)
171.1375 Air-Ground 2 (first heard 15Jul)
 

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I did a number of CA updates today that were in the que since it's rainy and FREEZING here.

If you have anything to add/change for California, please make sure you submit it to the database so that it can be worked.

Thanks.
 

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Folks, when you are making submissions PLEASE if you have a lot of smaller stuff for the smaller counties, please try to keep it to ONE submission so it's easier to work with !

Otherwise entry is delayed.

Also be sure to include PL/DPL tones whenever possible.

THANKS !
 

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Additions for the Orange County area

Here are some additions to look over:


Fullerton Airport (KFUL)
119.1000 Tower
121.8000 Ground
125.0500 ATIS
122.9500 Unicom

Airport diagram here (PDF):
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0804/05136AD.PDF



Los Alamitos Army airfield (KSLI)

123.8500 LOS AL TOWER V
126.9500 LOS AL GROUND V
251.1500 LOS AL TOWER U
257.9500 LOS AL GROUND U
118.8750 ATIS
379.9750 ATIS
239.8000 PMSV METRO
126.2000 AIRFIELD OPS ADVISORY
139.0500 ARCOM OPS
230.9000 ARCOM OPS
233.8000 AASF OPS
41.5000 AASF OPS
149.8000 GUARD OPS
237.2000 GUARD OPS
65.0500 GUARD OPS
122.9250 USDA MEDFLY OPS
340.1000 GUARD ATC CMN
290.9000 GCA
124.7500 GCA
127.9500 GCA
124.6500 SOCAL APPROACH/DEPARTURE
316.1250 SOCAL APPROACH/DEPARTURE
241.0000 ANG Helo A/A
305.9000 CALSITE/MALSITE (Confined/Mountain Area Landing Site)


NON-AIRCRAFT LOS AL STUFF:
143.0625 BASE OPS
143.5875 FIRE DEPT
143.7375 BASE MAINTENANCE

airport diagram here (PDF):
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0804/00953AD.PDF
 

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UC Merced

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?ctid=206
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?aid=2453

From what I've read, UC Merced still has a conventional system, but the license now shows all the statewide UC channels. Also could be listed on the UC pages.

Database now shows 1 P25 channel.

1 851.48750000 20K0F9W FB2 1 0 100.000 37.03292 -120.08786 MERCED MERCED CA
1 851.98750000
1 852.48750000
1 852.98750000
1 853.48750000
2 806.48750000
2 806.98750000
2 807.48750000
2 807.98750000
2 808.48750000
 

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Didn't see the rest of the UC systems page. Only the Merced County listing has old data.
 

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Vacaville / Fairfield

No confirmation that these are all in use, but they are testing the system:

Fairfield license - WQJR752

851.1375
851.4125
851.7750
852.2000
853.2125
853.6625
854.9875
858.4375
858.9375
 

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Lassen County Freqs.

I Have Just Visited Lassen County On Tuesday 1-27-09 Here Are Some Frequencies
And Pls I Wrote Down Shannon

Lassen County Fire/amb Dispatch 154.445 Mhz No Pl Tone
Lassen County Jail Ops-susanville 155.640 Mhz Pl 162.2 Base/mobiles
Lassen County Sheriff-fredonyer Peak 154.875 Mhz Pl 69.3 Repeater
Lassen County Road Dept. 156.165 Mhz Pl 85.4 Repeater
Lassen County Road Dept. 156.165 Mhz Pl 165.5 Mobiles
Lassen County Public Works 155.145 Mhz Pl 100.0 Repeater
Lassen Municipal Utility District-westwood 464.250 Mhz Pl 192.8 Repeater
Waste Management Susanville Ops 464.525 Mhz Dpl071 Repeater
 

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Mendocino And Modoc Nf Freqs Missing

The Frequencies For The Mendocino And Modoc National Forest Are Missing
In The Forest Service Section Also For Blm Ukiah And Folsom Districts.
 

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City Of Willows Freqs.

New Frequencies For City Of Willows Fire And Police Depts.

Callsign Wqjm344 Willows Police Output/input 151.100 Mhz/156.240 Mhz Repeater
Callsign Wqjm348 Willows Fire Output/input 156.180 Mhz/159.015 Mhz Repeater
 

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Mendocino National Forest Frequencies & Tones

I submitted the following to the database:

Mendocino National Forest
1 169.175 169.175 Forest Net Direct
2 169.175 169.975 Forest Net Repeater
3 171.550 171.550 Fire Net Direct
4 171.550 170.150 Fire Net Repeater
5 171.700 171.700 Fire Camp/Engineering Net Direct
6 171.700 172.400 Fire Camp/Engineering Net Repeater
7 168.200 168.200 NIFC Tac 2

Tones
1 110.9 Saint John Mountain Channels 2,4,6
2 123.0 Anthony Peak Channels 2,4,6
3 131.8 Round Mountain Channel 2
4 136.5 San Hedrin Mountain Channels 2,4,6
5 146.2 Tomhead Channels 2,4,6
6 156.7 Goat Mountain Channels 2,4,6
7 167.9 Mt. Konocti Channels 2,4
8 103.5 Alder Springs Channels 2.4.6
 

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The next submission is for the Modoc National Forest:

Modoc National Forest

1 168.750 168.750 Forest Net Direct
2 168.750 170.175 Forest Net Repeater
3 168.150 168.150 Admin Net Direct
4 168.150 171.3875 Admin Net Repeater
5 164.100 164.800 Fire Camp Service Net Repeater
6 168.050 168.050 NIFC Tac 1
7 168.200 168.200 NIFC Tac 2
8 168.600 168.600 NIFC Tac 3
9 170.000 170.000 R5 Air to Ground
10 164.150 164.150 R5 Project
11 166.4875 166.4875 BLM Northern California Distinct Direct
12 166.4875 167.075 BLM Northern California District Repeater
13 151.250 151.250 CalFire Lassen Modoc Local Direct
14 151.250 159.405 CalFire Lassen Modoc Local Repeater

Tones

1 110.9 Use with channel 1
2 123.0 Sugar Hill
3 131.8 Likely Mtn.
4 136.5 49 Mountain
5 146.2 Grouse Mtn.
6 156.7 Fire Repeater
7 167.9 Red Shale Butte
8 103.5 Widow Mtn.
 

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What happened to TGIDs 513 and 514 in the database entry for City of Oakland Public Safety? Those TGIDs are actively used (I think as Oakland PD Service 3 and Service 4, respectively). They were listed earlier but probably got removed along with other recent edits.

Also, I don't think TGID 298 should be labeled "Tac 6 ? (Vice Enforc/Surv Ops?)".... because along with TGID 299, it seems to be the channel on which VINs and license plate numbers are called in. I don't know what you call that, but 298 and 299 seem to be used exclusively for automotive VINs/registration and other information.

Plus, I would need confirmation from someone else monitoring Oakland Public Safety, but I'm almost certain TGID 285 is Animal Control for Oakland, CA.

Scanner Frequencies: Oakland, City of (Public Safety) Trunking System, Oakland, California
 
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