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google iPhone antenna gate, now that apple released its 7th generations phone most of the issues has been resolve, but not all of them.


I had one of those antenna gate iPhone 4's and never had a problem, but others did.
The problem with iPhones now is iOS 9 dot anything so far stinks. The hardware is solid tho.

Nowadays it's all in the firmware for any device, phone, scanner, etc. Firmware is not an easy task to do. It really takes a skilled programmer(s) to design firmware. It seems as hardware has advanced faster than coders can keep up now.
 

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I say "Release the Hounds" or just wait for Voyager to respond to the OP. :lol::lol::lol:

Naaa. I can tell the difference between someone who is credible and someone who is trolling. If he really were an expert, he would know that sometimes things happen that are beyond your control. I doubt all his plans always go perfect if he makes anything more complex than paper clips.

If he knew the true history, he would not be as arrogant as he is. That includes the year-long delay from the vendor which delayed all the Analyze features. And of course you have the RTC issue, the backlight issue. ALL of those take time from adding features.

Of course, he already knows this since he is an expert, so the only conclusion I can come to is that he is trolling and is not to be taken seriously.

Pass the popcorn, please.
 

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Agreed .. you did not do your homework and you got burnt. Sour grapes at work here.

Don't worry .. I didn't do my homework either and bought one too. But .. I got smart and sold it off fast. Never regretted that decision.
 
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The problem with iPhones now is iOS 9 dot anything so far stinks. The hardware is solid tho.

Did they ever replace all the units that are prone to 'bendgate'? Didn't they do ANY testing on them before they released them? And what about the Wifi they broke circa iOS 4. Was that ever fixed? :roll:

We should sue Apple. Whaaa. Whaaa. Whaaa. :D

Oh, and I used to do cellphone repair, so I'm an expert on them. :D

(seriously: I actually did fix a phone Motorola could not fix.)

I do want to know one thing: HOW do I get it to stop asking me if I want to update the iOS EVERY SINGLE DAY. And them if I say "later" it asks if I want to upgrade it tonight. NO, Apple. I don't want to update it right now and I don't need two reminders each day. I have yet to find a way to disable those harassing notices.
 

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Those with the 436HP all bought the scanner for different reasons. Some features others don't care about are important to you or me. We all use our 436HP in different configurations because it's so configurable to suit personal needs. Kudos to Uniden on making their current scanners so user friendly.

When deciding on a $500 product, and the product description says it has a specific features, only to buy it and discover it's not included yet has the right to be disappointed and complain when they go to use a features only to discover it's missing.

I absolutely agree that if features are advertised, they should be available. Not only do folks have the right to complain, but better still, a smart shopper will always purchase from a dealer with a solid return policy. Secondly, they can also guarantee their protection by making the purchase on a credit card. In the event there is a problem with returning the unit, one can always dispute the charge on the card.
 

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Naaa. I can tell the difference between someone who is credible and someone who is trolling. If he really were an expert, he would know that sometimes things happen that are beyond your control. I doubt all his plans always go perfect if he makes anything more complex than paper clips.

If he knew the true history, he would not be as arrogant as he is. That includes the year-long delay from the vendor which delayed all the Analyze features. And of course you have the RTC issue, the backlight issue. ALL of those take time from adding features.

Of course, he already knows this since he is an expert, so the only conclusion I can come to is that he is trolling and is not to be taken seriously.

Pass the popcorn, please.

A swing and a miss.

Units began shipping in February 2014 it was not until April 28, 2015 firmware release 1.05.01 that Implemented the analyze features but not all of them. That was 14 months later. Its now been 6 more months and still not there yet. Almost Two years now.

So what is the true story? If your going to be 2 years out on finalizing your product you need to tell the the story.

I like this

" If he knew the true history, he would not be as arrogant as he is."

So what the story that this publicly traded company with 17,000 employees has that will make me understand.

Look I'm the first to know about engineering, vendor, production delays and design problems. I've even lost my head firmware engineer on 9/11. If I have a problem I throw man hours and money at it. I could not stay in business if I took just 6 months to fix it. But 2 years come on even you should know thats not right.

I was under the impression that Uniden made scanners. That meant that they have a division that only works on scanners and radios. Where these problems are all part of a day at work. This is not Uniden's first scanner. And every new model scanner is and should be just a progression of previous work. Its not like Uniden scanners are a new startup.

It seems that the only one trolling and bulling here is you so if you don't agree move on. This is all the time you get from me.
 

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I plan to keep this scanner. I just wish that the powers to be would get there act together and button up the problems.

I've read here and other threads about returning the radio or selling it.
I was told by HRO that a restocking fee of %15 would be keep if I wanted to return it. And selling it there would be a loss as well. For others there could be the shipping return charges. This would not be an issue if the radio was what people had paid for.

I will be getting a HP2 in the next month. And I still like the products. I just hope this is not how Uniden handle all it issues from now on.
 

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I just wondering which "Completely Banned for the Greater Good" user is the OP?

Never been on these forums until two days ago. Just got back into radios a few months ago when I became a zone leader in my comunity for our fire and emergency protection unit. We have our own repeater than I monitor plus fire and police. I wanted to use the bandscope that is not in the 436 to help track down some interferences. So I'm back to my SDR play and a lap top for that.
I'm not new to forums nor am I a troll. I posted in the right area. I did not get on here and call out any members. I did not bash these forums. I just stated the facts, my option and was called out as a troll. Not very cool. But I'm not surprised all forums have there bully's that there sole purpose is to go in and muddy up a thread and go off topic.

Anyway Hi all my name is Jim. as I stated I just got back into radios after sometime off and scanners even longer. I started back in to it with SDR, I like this tech. And the new scanners, very nice. No more books needed to fine frequencies. In the passed I would use one of my tri band HAM ht's as a scanner I do still have an BC780xt. I never did trunking but the need to follow fire and police now has brought me here.
 

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A swing and a miss.

Units began shipping in February 2014 it was not until April 28, 2015 firmware release 1.05.01 that Implemented the analyze features but not all of them. That was 14 months later. Its now been 6 more months and still not there yet. Almost Two years now.

Care to elaborate on what the 'miss' is? Is it the 12 month delay? Uniden expected it December 2013 (or very close) - released December 2014 if you mean the dongle issue which is the delay I specifically mentioned. And yes, that delayed other development such as the Analysis features, as I have little doubt the engineers were trying to get the dongle to work as expected.

Once the dongle was fixed, the Analysis came out 4 months later.

The only miss I see is a miss-understanding of the timeline, and it's not on my part.
 

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I just hope this is not how Uniden handle all it issues from now on.

Note that there have been three releases since the x36 line, and no hitches (at least nothing significant).

Oh, and as for the trolling, you made a post with shouting, condescending tones, and put yourself out there as an expert. I'm not saying you were asking for what you got, but it is clear you don't know the history of the issues. Have you never been shafted by a subcontractor? Have your plans always gone perfectly? Have you been sold counterfeit or bad parts yet? See my point? When someone criticizes others for having issues beyond their control, that is trolling in my book. These are just some of the things that someone who has attained the level of 'expert' has dealt with. And to criticize others for being a victim of these happenings lacks credibility as an 'expert'. You made it sound like you came here looking for a fight, and in your first post yet (or one of your first). How would you expect that to be taken given the alleged experience vs the apparent lack of knowledge?

There are lots of haters on these boards, and they make posts that have the same tone yours has. It is ironic that just when Uniden is on the cusp of fixing so many of the issues they have had that someone has to try to criticize them all over again. In other words, we've been through this hundreds of times. But, again, lack of knowledge of history is the key theme here.
 
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Care to elaborate on what the 'miss' is? Is it the 12 month delay? Uniden expected it December 2013 (or very close) - released December 2014 if you mean the dongle issue which is the delay I specifically mentioned. And yes, that delayed other development such as the Analysis features, as I have little doubt the engineers were trying to get the dongle to work as expected.

Once the dongle was fixed, the Analysis came out 4 months later.

The only miss I see is a miss-understanding of the timeline, and it's not on my part.

The "miss" was you and your poor conclusion in claiming I was a troll. Say what you want what I said was all fact. And it sounds to me as if you have bought in to Uniden's poor excuses.

Oh and Apple busted *** every time to make things right. Apples to oranges, no pun.
 

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Note that there have been three releases since the x36 line, and no hitches (at least nothing significant).

Oh, and as for the trolling, you made a post with shouting, condescending tones, and put yourself out there as an expert. I'm not saying you were asking for what you got, but it is clear you don't know the history of the issues. Have you never been shafted by a subcontractor? Have your plans always gone perfectly? Have you been sold counterfeit or bad parts yet? See my point? When someone criticizes others for having issues beyond their control, that is trolling in my book. These are just some of the things that someone who has attained the level of 'expert' has dealt with. And to criticize others for being a victim of these happenings lacks credibility as an 'expert'. You made it sound like you came here looking for a fight, and in your first post yet (or one of your first). How would you expect that to be taken given the alleged experience vs the apparent lack of knowledge?

There are lots of haters on these boards, and they make posts that have the same tone yours has. It is ironic that just when Uniden is on the cusp of fixing so many of the issues they have had that someone has to try to criticize them all over again. In other words, we've been through this hundreds of times. But, again, lack of knowledge of history is the key theme here.


First off every manufacture has its problems. I've had theft of large shipments. Lost key personal. I was once sold bad tantalum caps that would catch fire do to a defect. What did I do. I second sourced the part. Had to change the pad on the PCB, quick turn the PCB. Build all new boards. And received back 175,000 bad boards and toss them out. Replace all the board in 3 weeks.

"criticizes others for having issues beyond their control"

Yes I do. And Please stop buying into poor Uniden. They are a huge company. I'm sure that Hideo Fujimoto follows Kaizen / Just In Time (JIT) (look it up) manufacturing strategies. In fact he needs to if he supplies any automotive company which he does. Uniden has 17,000 employees and huge resources. As stated before there not a startup in the scanner world. They are the largest cordless phone manufacture in the world, I would bet that go's for scanners and FRS/GMRS radios as well. I can tell you that when Uniden calls up a vendor they jump. Vendors and supplier jump through hoops to keep Uniden as a account. But venders and suppliers are not the problem here.

Please don't forget thay make a very good markup on these new scanners. And should toss some money at there problem.

I'm not to hard on Uniden for the hardware problems. But Firmware theres is no excuse. They have the knowledge, know the hardware and principles of what and how its done. Coding the firmware may be hard for some. But in reality there are a lot of very good I mean really good firmware guys out there. Trust me Uniden has some great firmware designers and something like implementing a band scope is child's play. Even there cheap scanners have it they know how its done.
Go on and defend the hardware as the problems as it is taking up engineering resources. Please don't go into buying that as well.
The fact that the RTC and dimming LED's happened. The firmware team should of had it done before the first RTC or dim LED report came in. And don't fool yourself once you start looking at the schematics and probe around with a meter both of these problems would be found quickly. And the firmware guys are not fixing the hardware.

"to criticize others for being a victim of these happenings lacks credibility as an 'expert'.

What? of corse they're victims, me as well. Shame on Uniden. I have read and studied whats going on. Rolling out not one but two products not ready for market and after the fact taking your own sweet time getting it there (not there yet) How long? How long is to long. Not giving it straight as to whats going on. Feeding little tid bits here and there. How about the huge big great firmware release at the end of the month. We don't want a surprise, almost 2 years, its not a surprise its a miracle. How about just coming out and say whats the update about. Hanging a carrot out is not the way you treat your customers when you sell them uncompleted product. This tactic kept people on a string thinking any day it well be all fixed and completed. Its funny that some here are ok with that. And defend Uniden thinking its ok.

Question:
If your new TV's HDMI didn't support V1.3 or your phone did not have copy paste or no working bluetooth. How long would it be ok? For me I get a new phone or TV about every two years. So I would not of enjoyed those features that I payed for.


I'm not a hater as I stated before I'm getting a HP2 next month.

"Uniden is on the cusp of fixing so many of the issues"
On the cusp or not how do you know? Even so what, there on the cusp so let up the pressure. There performance or lack of does not earn them quite time. After its all over is when there off the hook. They offer no compensation no look into there solution. Yet they get all the time they want. Hmmm

This is not trolling. This is voicing. This is not letting them off the hook until they deliver.This thread was not posted to fight. It was posted so that like minded people would keep letting the powers that read these forums that its time to deliver.
 

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Anyway Hi all my name is Jim. as I stated I just got back into radios after sometime off and scanners even longer. I started back in to it with SDR, I like this tech. And the new scanners, very nice. No more books needed to fine frequencies. In the passed I would use one of my tri band HAM ht's as a scanner I do still have an BC780xt. I never did trunking but the need to follow fire and police now has brought me here.

Welcome Jim. Great to see a fresh point of view for a change :D
And from what I can see, you met Voyager :lol::lol::lol:
Too bad new folks too the forum have to be jumped on right away. I don't expect a new person to catch up on almost 2 years of x36 discussion over night.
 

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If your new TV's HDMI didn't support V1.3 or your phone did not have copy paste or no working bluetooth. How long would it be ok? For me I get a new phone or TV about every two years. So I would not of enjoyed those features that I payed for.

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Actually the original iPhone and the iPhone 3G didn't supported copy and paste till iOS 3.0 came out after 2 years.
 

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I've been here on the forums quite a while vixjim, starting with my purchase of the HP-1, admittedly late in the game--- probably a year after it was actually introduced. It took me a while to appreciate all the "genius" that went into the HP-1, and I was here when the x36 series was introduced--- once again, I did not jump into the pool until about a year after it's release, although I must say I made some very general comments about the x36 series and Uniden before actually owning one.

I'm glad that you at least have the 436 vixjim--- there are a number of folks pouring gasoline on the fire who don't even own an x36 radio. Three or four months ago, I figured my comments would no longer be valid unless I also had some skin in the game, so I went ahead and purchased the 536. I wanted Phase 2 capabilities, and while I could have opted for an HP-2, I wanted all the bells and whistles. I actually ended up liking the 536 so much, that about 2 months ago, and lacking any way to permanently mount a 536 in the car, I opted for the 436, which has worked out very well for mobile use.

If you review a lot of my posts, I am certainly not what you would consider a Uniden fanboy--- I've written some pretty tough posts here in an attempt to rally Uniden into completing a feature set that was either implicitly or explicitly promised at the beginning of the x36 adventure.

The hardware problems aside, I'm hoping that the upcoming firmware will resolve a lot of these missing-feature issues. Incidentally, I hope you read and appreciated a response I made to one of your posts that indicated that at least in the HP-1 and HP-2 series, the "bandscope" is more of a "scanscope"--- and unless there is different implementation in the x36 series, I don't feel that it's an especially powerful function, but we'll have to see what the new firmware holds in store.

I'm wondering if, based on what you now know, and with your operation of the 436 over the past xx weeks that you've had it, whether you are planning on keeping the unit or returning it to HRO?
 

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Bandscope, scanscope...just a low resolution version of a spectrum analyzer. They do the same thing. Both scan a span of frequencies. Both measure signal amplitude. And both have some sort of resolution bandwidth, but a true spectrum analyzer will let you narrow that RBW for greater detail...at the expense of tracking (scan) speed. Plus you can get much more detail on a good analyzer using averaging and peak hold, as well as custom amplitude scales. BUT, it is a cool feature nonetheless. Automatically marking peaks with a frequency would make it better!

Phil

EDIT: I just played with it for the first time with my new 992P2. Very cool. You can change the RBW using step size. You can also change the span. And there IS a max hold feature. Nice way to visually see activity in my "favorite" band. But seriously, an auto marker with maybe a timed demodulation period would be a nice addition. ;)

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Bandscope, scanscope...just a low resolution version of a spectrum analyzer. They do the same thing. Both scan a span of frequencies. Both measure signal amplitude. And both have some sort of resolution bandwidth, but a true spectrum analyzer will let you narrow that RBW for greater detail...at the expense of tracking (scan) speed. Plus you can get much more detail on a good analyzer using averaging and peak hold, as well as custom amplitude scales. BUT, it is a cool feature nonetheless. Automatically marking peaks with a frequency would make it better!

Phil

Not so---- to the uninitiated, they may appear to be similar, but they do not achieve their ends in the same fashion. I'm sure that someone with great technical expertise will come here with a better explanation, but a true spectrum analyzer uses different technology and sits on a center frequency and allows you to view adjacent frequency traffic without moving off the center frequency, all in real time.

The bandscope that Uniden is employing on the HP-1 and HP-2 is simply a visual representation of frequencies which are being scanned. I have several true spectrum analyzers which plug into the 10.7 IF output of my Icom R7100 receivers, and it's a completely different animal than Uniden's bandscope.

While Uniden's bandscope (which I call a scanscope) puts on a pretty display and may have some use, a true spectrum analyzer is a MUCH more powerful tool. I've used both and know the difference in terms of operation, but someone needs to jump in with a better technical explanation.

I expect that Uniden will implement their bandscope in the same fashion as they did on their HP-1 and HP-2 radios, but the adjectives that Paul uses to describe the upcoming firmware update could mean that there are surprises in store. We'll just have to see what gets delivered in the update and how the features get implemented.
 
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"Uniden is on the cusp of fixing so many of the issues"
On the cusp or not how do you know?

Because I read many forums and know what is going on. Like this:
https://www.uniden.com/product-information/bcdx36hp-repair-campaign

Many users have gone through the repair and say it's better than new.

The argument that I 'buy into Uniden's propaganda' (not a direct quote) is bull. The repair campaign, for example, is a proven fact.
I also know about the dongle delay - perhaps more than others. It too was true.

I also know that there is a new feature that will be released soon (reportedly by the end of the month). More propaganda? We will see. I will bet any amount of money it's not. Any takers?
 
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