WISCOM (2010)

[OpSec]

Attention RR forum users:

With the cooperation of a fellow DB admin and moderator, all WISCOM threads in the past 18 months have been combined into this one.

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:

Please do not create a new thread every time something new happens with WISCOM or if you have questions.

Once the system is fully functional, I will create a new thread for discussion of system users, operations and the like. This is a long ways away, so for the time being we can use this thread for all things pertinent to WISCOM. All threads that I found in the past year and half were combined into this thread, so if you have a WISCOM question please use the SEARCH feature or read through the pages of this thread.

This thread has also been sticky'd, so it will always be at the top of the forum for easy access.

 

[312773]

Im pulling in WISCOM i believe at 70% in Madison on 152.1575, its giving me the ID NB0C

Yup, I can get 152.1575 loud and clear here on the east side, is this off Deerfield? I haven't been able to find the master list around, this morning I caught some digital action in the 141 mhz area but i'm not sure if that's WISCOM or not as I didn't take note of it

 

[burner50]

Attention RR forum users:

With the cooperation of a fellow DB admin and moderator, all WISCOM threads in the past 18 months have been combined into this one.

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:

Please do not create a new thread every time something new happens with WISCOM or if you have questions.

Once the system is fully functional, I will create a new thread for discussion of system users, operations and the like. This is a long ways away, so for the time being we can use this thread for all things pertinent to WISCOM. All threads that I found in the past year and half were combined into this thread, so if you have a WISCOM question please use the SEARCH feature or read through the pages of this thread.

This thread has also been sticky'd, so it will always be at the top of the forum for easy access.

If you see any additional threads please report them so they can be merged into here.

 

[MADScan]

Yup, I can get 152.1575 loud and clear here on the east side, is this off Deerfield? I haven't been able to find the master list around, this morning I caught some digital action in the 141 mhz area but i'm not sure if that's WISCOM or not as I didn't take note of it

And what do you know, its off air

 

[OpSec]

And what do you know, its off air

I figured as much when I went through there earlier and was still affiliating to Columbus or Baraboo.

One of the major reasons I had Burner combine all the threads is there will be a lot of posts like these in the upcoming months as sites are coming online and the sporadic on/off testing occurs.

 

[box23]

I figured as much when I went through there earlier and was still affiliating to Columbus or Baraboo.

A system radio will tell you what site you are affiliated with? I didn't think they did, just if you are affiliated or not.

For most users it's not needed, if the radio works they're happy, but for us radio people that would be cool.

 

[sgtmatt]

Anybondy in Grant County pulling in Wiscom off of the Bloomington site yet?

 

[OpSec]

A system radio will tell you what site you are affiliated with? I didn't think they did, just if you are affiliated or not.

For a wide-area, multi-site system it is an available item on a per-radio basis in the programming software. You program the "SITE" option to a programmable button and when pressed it will show which site the radio is affiliated to and the RSSI.

99% of the end users wouldn't need nor care about a feature like that...just that it worked when they pressed the PTT button. In the prelim stages of system setup like now it's nice to see where/how well a site will cover.

 

[OpSec]

I recently found out that over a dozen more sites are on the air in some capacity, specifically in the SW part of the state and the NC/NW part of the state. My best advise to start scanning some of the known control channel frequencies and see what pops up. This is a very fluid time in the system's implementation, so it's impossible to post every single site update...but I was able to add some info to the DB and cleaned up some other entries.

As always, please post signals heard here and/or submit *known* information to the DB.

 

[MADScan]

I recently found out that over a dozen more sites are on the air in some capacity, specifically in the SW part of the state and the NC/NW part of the state. My best advise to start scanning some of the known control channel frequencies and see what pops up. This is a very fluid time in the system's implementation, so it's impossible to post every single site update...but I was able to add some info to the DB and cleaned up some other entries.

As always, please post signals heard here and/or submit *known* information to the DB.

152.1575 is back, and after checking I found it is off Blue Mound which is in the southwest part of the state! Are they rolling it out by region do you know?

 

[OpSec]

AFAIK, the sites are being turned on as time/access allow. The state is divided into a few BOC "regions", so each region supervisor and their techs probably have a different planning schedule.

 

[box23]

I recently found out that over a dozen more sites are on the air in some capacity, specifically in the SW part of the state and the NC/NW part of the state.

From up here in the NW I can here two control channels.

First is on 152.1275 MHz, site 6565. This is a strong signal, full scale on my big antenna, and just barely decode-able on the stock 396XT antenna. I can't really tell, but just guessing I would think it may be Red Cliff, Shell Lake, or Meteor. But that's just an educated guess based off of normal performance for me around here.

The second is on 152.745 MHz, site 5353. This is just barely decode-able on my big antenna so it's a long ways away.

Now if there was only a linux control channel decoder....

 

[OpSec]

Site 65 is Meteor and Site 53 is Holcombe, so I will add those to the DB as well.

 

[MarcusDude]

I found the state interoperability plan on NEWCOM's website. It lists all the state departments and counties along with what NAC codes they are assigned on P25 conventional channels as well as their talkgroup ranges on the state's P25 system. So far, I have found that several counties that use P25 on their conventional channels are using the NACs assigned by this list. Also, the list says that Washington County's talkgroup range is 57500-57999, DOC's range is 1000-3999, and DHFS's range is 4000-4999, which matches the actual talkgroups they use, so the list is pretty accurate so far. Anyone who wants to download it should go to: North East Wisconsin Public Safety Communications and click on "Interoperability ID Plan" which is about the fifth link from the top of the list.

 

[OpSec]

It's been referred to several times here over the years and lives on the state interop site (interop.wi.gov) here:

http://interop.wi.gov/docview.asp?docid=19975&locid=166

 

[box23]

152.8175 MHz, site 5050. Long ways off.

Also, stateboy, are you going to continue adding the county name in which the site resides into the site name for the database? I see some are that way, but the rest aren't.

 

[OpSec]

are you going to continue adding the county name in which the site resides into the site name for the database?

I see I was slacking with the new ones. I will rectify that.

 

[ozzie]

Monitoring WISCOM

Wuld there be any obstacles to monitoring WISCOM and the Washington county system with an icom 9511 mobile??

 

[OpSec]

Wuld there be any obstacles to monitoring WISCOM and the Washington county system with an icom 9511 mobile??

For legit system users, probably not. For non-users that want to bootleg a radio, yes several. The largest one being the lack of a system key being available during programming. No key means trunking parameters can not be set up in the radio software.

I'm not going to turn this into a fire and brimstone post, but both system administrators (as do all the others) take a very dim view of bootleg radios and will handle it appropriately if/when someone decides they want to try it. As far as WISCOM is concerned, without a properly programmed radio and a valid radio ID, the radio is useless because it can not affiliate with the system therefore you won't hear anything unless a valid system user is affiliated to a nearby tower. Stick to the scanner.

I'm sure the Washington County system admin will chime in further once he reads this.

 

[washradiotech]

Un-authorized Hacking of trunked radio systems

Yes Stateboy is correct. If you got caught with an unauthorized radio on our system we would prosecute you to the full extent of the law.

It is not that we are trying to block any monitoring. (encryption does that for us) As you can see from my posts I have been more then forthcoming on how to monitor our system and the TGs. It is more a matter that unauthorized radios that even though they are P25, may not have been tested and certified on the system. There are a lot of things that one single radio can do to interfere with a radio system if it is not programmed or functioning correctly on a trunked system. In addition to the fact that the radio could transmit and cause interference with Public Safety users that depend on using the system.

Stick with your scanner... or join your local volunteer fire department and help out in your community if you want to play with real radios