X36 "huge, tremendous, fantastic feature addition"?
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After reading through many replies, I see a disturbing marketing model forming.
I may be completely off here, but since EDACS ProVoice is near EOL, why wouldn't Harris try to milk some more money out of a dying system by licensing it for monitoring to Uniden? That's business, right? Milk every penny out of your product? Now the problem....$50 per radio on a dying format. This is Uniden's breakthrough into "other digital formats." That quote implies that the x36 or a successor will have the ability to decode other digital formats in the future, so if a dying format costs $50, what will a current format cost?
Let's stick with the $50 though. DMR-$50, NXDN-$50, D-STAR-$50,C4FM-$50, GFSK-$50, QPSK-$50, Open Sky-$50. If you upgraded to each format as it was rolled out, that makes your $500 scanner a $900 purchase (more if the additional formats are more expensive.) What incentive does the manufacturer have to produce new products with this marketing model? Why would they market a new generation scanner with all of the features when the market has shown that MSRP in the $700 range with actual retail in the $600 range is the high end of what the average consumer is willing to pay for their product when they can just upgrade and make more money per radio? It's the same thing Harris did by licensing them, right?
I may be completely off here, but since EDACS ProVoice is near EOL, why wouldn't Harris try to milk some more money out of a dying system by licensing it for monitoring to Uniden? That's business, right? Milk every penny out of your product? Now the problem....$50 per radio on a dying format. This is Uniden's breakthrough into "other digital formats." That quote implies that the x36 or a successor will have the ability to decode other digital formats in the future, so if a dying format costs $50, what will a current format cost?
Let's stick with the $50 though. DMR-$50, NXDN-$50, D-STAR-$50,C4FM-$50, GFSK-$50, QPSK-$50, Open Sky-$50. If you upgraded to each format as it was rolled out, that makes your $500 scanner a $900 purchase (more if the additional formats are more expensive.) What incentive does the manufacturer have to produce new products with this marketing model? Why would they market a new generation scanner with all of the features when the market has shown that MSRP in the $700 range with actual retail in the $600 range is the high end of what the average consumer is willing to pay for their product when they can just upgrade and make more money per radio? It's the same thing Harris did by licensing them, right?
I would like proof that this new upgrade will work on Florida SLERS Provoice before I fork over $50. An yes, not all talkgroups on SLERS are encrypted. I listen to Okaloosa Fire with DSDPlus. It would be nice to know the sites it was tested on.
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k3fs
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Well that was a swing and a miss. Missed my point. I am not trying to pit any one against anyone. Never said it, never inferred it.
Missed the point. I have paid for features they had promised to deliver. At this point I think there is little chance they will deliver what was advertised. Giving that in place of what was advertised, and will not be delivered, would be a nice gesture to try to right their wrong. Uniden has made no comment in the past 6-7 months that they have the ability or intent to deliver what was advertised. I think we deserve some compensation for their failure to deliver. They could at least honestly and respectfully address that issue.
Missed the point I get they pay for the licenses. Again small token for them to hand out on their failure.
Harris has nothing to do with it.
Your attempts to defend Uniden are a bit thin, and wrong. RTC was not a firmware issue. The parts were not counterfeit. I think Uniden is quite capable of answering for themselves, and their customers deserve to be treated with more respect than that.
If Ford would have offered something as a token for the problems, you would take that and be a little thankful. Sure beats getting nothing out of your aggravation.
Well Remember the Alamo.....ProVoice wasn't on my box when I bought it... Sorry couldn't resist :roll:......Of all the systems that they could have added and charged you to boot this wasn't one of them
Not true, they licensed Uniden. Whether or not that license was on a lump sum or per radio basis, there was actuarial work performed by both companies.
Harris:
How many radios will potentially receive the upgrade?
How much per radio are we willing to settle for?
How much will this cost us in reputation with the customers we told their system would be unmonitorable by commercial scanners?
Uniden
How many customers will this upgrade appeal to?
How many of those will actually purchase the upgrade?
How many of those customers will upgrade multiple radios?
All these questions are formulaic to determine a dollar amount.
If Harris charged a lump sum, they are effectively out of the argument, but if it's a per radio fee, they are still very invested.
k3fs
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Harris has nothing to do with it.
As I said. I get it that they have to pay for a license. I have not received, nor will I receive my $100 advanced analysis features. I would consider them giving that as a small token for their inability to deliver what was advertised. Keep in mind, not all of that $50 was license. That $50 covers their costs in development added in. I would prefer the analyze features. But if they are unable to deliver, then giving that in place would be a nice gesture. Likely not something I could use, but the fact they tried to offer something in place of what is not going to be delivered would be appreciated. The failure to deliver is Uniden's issue. There is some cost associated with that type of mistake. Far cheaper for them than other alternatives.
As I said. I get it that they have to pay for a license. I have not received, nor will I receive my $100 advanced analysis features. I would consider them giving that as a small token for their inability to deliver what was advertised. Keep in mind, not all of that $50 was license. That $50 covers their costs in development added in. I would prefer the analyze features. But if they are unable to deliver, then giving that in place would be a nice gesture. Likely not something I could use, but the fact they tried to offer something in place of what is not going to be delivered would be appreciated. The failure to deliver is Uniden's issue. There is some cost associated with that type of mistake. Far cheaper for them than other alternatives.
I'm still waiting for some tremendous fantastic something. Or maybe an android APP
So ProVoice has been around in concept since the 80's with implementation in the 90's . So it is clearly in excess of the 20 year utility patent protection. I have a feeling the patent has expired and now the standard is protected under patent laws...hmmm...
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:wink::wink::wink:.....................Ok .... Cut the S..T....Why does it have to be tremendous or fantastic???????????? Can't it just be expected or normal.........WTF......DOH
If Harris hadn't licensed Uniden, we wouldn't be having the discussion.
I still don't understand why people aren't up in arms about Harris licensing that which its salespeople marketed as "unmonitorable by a commercial scanner" to customers as a selling point.
Who cares???????? Take it to another forum............. Who Cares???????????????
KA2ZEY
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This seems like a step in the right direction. The fact that a scanner manufacturer can implement a whole new digital protocol is impressive. Now if we get DMR and NXDN....that would be the ultimate scanner...and one I'd be willing to pay for. $150 extra for Provoice, DMR, NXDN? Count me in!
brucewarming
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I expect Uniden will not make much money on this, if they did invest in this, they made a bad investment. Is there anything new to this update? Something I should even plug the radio in to the computer? Disappointed in West Virginia"
I expect Uniden will not make much money on this, if they did invest in this, they made a bad investment. Is there anything new to this update? Something I should even plug the radio in to the computer? Disappointed in West Virginia"
X36 "huge, tremendous, fantastic feature addition"
It ain't Harris......Sorry ....How about promised....That was never mentioned....Why do we need new? When we ain't got now.....Sounds bad... But thats what I'm thinkin....
It ain't Harris......Sorry ....How about promised....That was never mentioned....Why do we need new? When we ain't got now.....Sounds bad... But thats what I'm thinkin....
I didn't say it was entirely Harris, but their licensing fee for a product that is EOL is part of the cost that Uniden is attaching to this Harris made the determination of this cost, not Uniden. I agree with brucewarming that it will probably turn out to be a bad investment, as it is a poor choice of format to use for their "entry into other digital modes."
As far as promised, please do your research on me before you start throwing that stuff around.
I'd like to hear a little more about your 436's simulcast decode performance, Mancow.
I'm trying to monitor a new Harris P25 phase 1 LSM system without much success on my 436. I may be overlooking some tweaks and adjustments on it, but at the moment only my PSR-800 can decode the system reasonably well from a stationary "sweet spot" inside my home. In second place, performance-wise, is my trusty old BCD396XT with the most recent firmware update installed that I understand was specifically designed to address simulcast problems.
Thanks.
-Johnnie
bigcam406
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imagine if drinks were being served......
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