CFD Apparatus status discussion (Non-Radio Information)

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While a master stream and/or pump CAN be found on some TDAs, I believe these are relatively rare, leading me to believe that there's drawbacks, even it's it's only cost.

I'm going to take this back, many more piped examples out there than I thought!

Going back to the size, tillers can fit everything the rescues have and then some. If the CFD wants to phase out rescues, Tillers would be a great replacement. Plumb a water way into them and excellent aerial streams can be set up. The 2 outriggers help minimize space taken and since the trailer portion can turn you can set it up at better angles.

This would be very cool, TDA ladder/rescue trucks with a master steam (I would opt out of water/pump). 50 Engines and 20 Tillers!

Can someone explain to me the logic of the extra Engines being 3XX? Why not count down from 99, or up from 100? 300 seems random, but I'm guessing there's logic behind it.
 

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I'm going to take this back, many more piped examples out there than I thought!



This would be very cool, TDA ladder/rescue trucks with a master steam (I would opt out of water/pump). 50 Engines and 20 Tillers!

Can someone explain to me the logic of the extra Engines being 3XX? Why not count down from 99, or up from 100? 300 seems random, but I'm guessing there's logic behind it.
Neighboring stations occupy those ranges already, which was done several years ago now so there weren't overlaps.
 

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I'm going to take this back, many more piped examples out there than I thought!



This would be very cool, TDA ladder/rescue trucks with a master steam (I would opt out of water/pump). 50 Engines and 20 Tillers!

Can someone explain to me the logic of the extra Engines being 3XX? Why not count down from 99, or up from 100? 300 seems random, but I'm guessing there's logic behind it.
Probably keeping everything under the same roof. Station 1 for example, 1E, 1L, 1MRU, and finally 301E, rather than the former, that was 48E. LAFD goes with E1, T1, and then E201 the second piece in the light force.

Edmonton for example, uses the prefix A for the second engine, ie: P1A. Some places use A and B pumps. It doesn’t really matter much what you call them. It’s probably to help the dispatchers keep things simple and straightforward.

I guess 200 has been allocated to something else. You could call them Pumps, but that’s gone to the towed drafting Pumps. Are there plans to add hose tenders to compliment these towed pumps? Something carrying miles of high vol?
 

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I'm going to take this back, many more piped examples out there than I thought!



This would be very cool, TDA ladder/rescue trucks with a master steam (I would opt out of water/pump). 50 Engines and 20 Tillers!

Can someone explain to me the logic of the extra Engines being 3XX? Why not count down from 99, or up from 100? 300 seems random, but I'm guessing there's logic behind it.
Well there's some issues here. They can't count up from 100 because 100-299 are county numbers. Meaning only the county can use these numbers. 88, 89, and 90 are being used by Airdrie. So maybe CFD doesn't want to step on their toes. CFD has future plans for stations 46, 47, 48 and further beyond which was why the Squads were renumbered.

When CFD brass and Calgary Emergency Comm's were discussing what to do they decided the best option would be to use numbers in the 300 range because CFD reserves those numbers. Thus why we have Engines that start with the number 3 and end with their station number.
 
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Hook & Ladder or Tractor Drawn Aerial vs Straight frame ladder.

The most recognizable fire apparatus in the history of fire fighting, no other rig has the pageantry while traversing city streets. These iconic rigs have been around since the 1800’s.

The pros are of course; capacity, 500 to 650 square feet of storage, vs. 160 square feet of the average straight frame stick. TDA ground ladder capacity is far greater, with ladders stored in the rear and the sides. The next bit of greatness would be maneuverability, despite the length, these trucks can maneuver around the fifth wheel and articulate into tight spaces and only having two (2) outriggers, the set up is much faster than having to setup four. I believe the outrigger stance is little less on the TDAs. This means one operator can set it up.

Two drivers! The tiller driver sits higher and has greater visibility sitting above the tractor cab, however the tiller driver should receive formal training, it’s not the kinda on the job training sort of thing. The tiller driver will have a cabinet, usually under the cab on the right side of the trailer with there gear, helmet, SCBA, coat, axe, maybe a can, (water extinguisher)

You can get a quint version, LAcoFD runs a bunch of TDA quints, with pre-piped water ways.

Crew size, so typically they run with a crew of four or five. Driver, Officer, Tiller operator, one or two fire fighters in the cab.

The cons are of course… cost, these trucks are expensive and the length makes for difficulty finding halls deep enough to house them. TDAs are around 11’ high, so a bit taller than rear mounts.

Quebec City runs two tillers, I believe one is a spare, the other runs in the downtown core. Quebec City has a very European vibe, so the maneuverability is key. I think these are the only TDAs in Canada currently.

The drivers would need to upgrade their drivers license to a class 1, or the FD applies for an exemption. The TDAs weigh roughly 15 000 lbs, however the weight is distributed over a larger area.

I would love to see a few of these guys running the streets of Calgary.

Probably keeping everything under the same roof. Station 1 for example, 1E, 1L, 1MRU, and finally 301E, rather than the former, that was 48E. LAFD goes with E1, T1, and then E201 the second piece in the light force.

Edmonton for example, uses the prefix A for the second engine, ie: P1A. Some places use A and B pumps. It doesn’t really matter much what you call them. It’s probably to help the dispatchers keep things simple and straightforward.

I guess 200 has been allocated to something else. You could call them Pumps, but that’s gone to the towed drafting Pumps. Are there plans to add hose tenders to compliment these towed pumps? Something carrying miles of high vol?
Bring back the Sqauds!
 

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Anyone hearing any Pumps or Tender 32/35 back in service? With the water restrictions back on, I imagine CFD is going back to a similar deployment as they had during June/July for the last water restrictions.
 

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Bring back the Sqauds
Yes let’s encourage the return of the Squads!

How do we picture them and what role?

First thing, does anyone know the load out or gear carried on the ladders? Are they carrying any extrication equipment?

I think the squads should be more than just a name, they should offer an extra skill set to the taxpaying registered voters.

Despite my personal feelings about ETM engines, the CFD engines are well designed, short and efficient. (The enclosed pump panel looks like a greenhouse, but it works and the logic is sound).

I think the squads could be Pierce PUCs, 500 square feet of storage! The rescue body has a boat load of storage, even on top! That being said, I haven’t seen a PUC with a deck gun. Maybe they could let the second due engine take that job.

That much storage, the could easily replace a rescue (not a TR). That puts more pumping power on the road with enhanced capabilities. Hazmat assessment could be another skill.

Just some ideas to toss around.
 

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Ladders carry everything and the kitchen sink. You can find any tool in a Ladder or Tower. Irons, hooks, pikes, ladders, medical equipment, hose, saws, forcible entry equipment, extrication equipment, absorbent, cribbing, stokes basket (I think), rope, extension cords, tool box, brush fire gear, shovels, rakes, flood lights, and the kitchen sink. That's just a brief overview. The Ladder companies, especially the new Ladder 1 has everything but that's expected for such a massive vehicle.

I like the idea of Squads but we're not NYC, every engine already has extrication equipment and Engine 4 is staffed by HazMat techs. I would still kill to see a PUC in Calgary though. They're such reliable machines but CFD seems to like small fire trucks, with the exception of Ladders and Towers. From what I heard the new TR11 is most likely going to be a single axle further proving my point. But CFD is always adapting and changing so anything can happen.
 

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Yes let’s encourage the return of the Squads!

How do we picture them and what role?

Despite my personal feelings about ETM engines

I think the squads could be Pierce PUCs

I'd envision Squads like LA Co FD, a commercial light truck chassis with a custom body. Have most of what an Engine carries but no firefighting capability other than extinguishers. It would reduce the wear on Engines from all the known non-fire calls they go on.

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What are your personal feelings about ETMs? I think its a very efficient use of space, to combine the rear of the cab with the pump panel. In my design I would remove the rear cab windows (which I don't think provide great visability or light) and opt for a full height rescue style body.

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What do you like about the PUC design?

I would still kill to see a PUC in Calgary though. They're such reliable machines but CFD seems to like small fire trucks

Same Q, what do you like about the PUC design?
 
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Ladders carry everything and the kitchen sink. You can find any tool in a Ladder or Tower. Irons, hooks, pikes, ladders, medical equipment, hose, saws, forcible entry equipment, extrication equipment, absorbent, cribbing, stokes basket (I think), rope, extension cords, tool box, brush fire gear, shovels, rakes, flood lights, and the kitchen sink. That's just a brief overview. The Ladder companies, especially the new Ladder 1 has everything but that's expected for such a massive vehicle.

I like the idea of Squads but we're not NYC, every engine already has extrication equipment and Engine 4 is staffed by HazMat techs. I would still kill to see a PUC in Calgary though. They're such reliable machines but CFD seems to like small fire trucks, with the exception of Ladders and Towers. From what I heard the new TR11 is most likely going to be a single axle further proving my point. But CFD is always adapting and changing so anything can happen.
Calgary and New York City don’t really have much in common. Calgary is much cleaner for one, and NYC is an extremely dense and diverse city, Calgary has an enormous suburban area.

You are correct, CFD likes short engines, 32 ft long. Pierce PUC are roughly 30 ft from bumper to pumper, so your concern about truck size can be put at ease.

4E is a good example of where a Squad might work well. Co-located with the Haz and central to a lot of things. Another good spot might be 39 and relocate the rescue.
 

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Enclosed top mounts are efficient and probably safer for AO, they keep things warm in winter and dry in summer, my personal criticism is purely aesthetics. They make for a high roof, like a greenhouse. But from an operations point of view, they seem to work well.

The LAcoFD Squads are light Rescues, as you illustrate, the carry a ton of gear, plus all the ALS stuff. Vancouver has been ordering light Rescues to replace there pick up truck MRU's. I love these little guys, they can haul a pile of gear, get around easy. Montreal has some, they call them man power units, (that’s the translation) they run with a crew of four, basically operate as a Ladder without the ladders. They tow boats, respond to medicals, ice rescue, structure fires, technical rescues, really anything that needs extra hands.

Great stuff.
 

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Pump 27 ran out of its own quarters up until 2009 when it closed down due to mold. It moved to Station 13 but still remained Pump 27 then was renamed Engine 27 shortly after. Somewhere around 2012 Engine 27 received a 2011 Quint and ran out of Station 22. The Quint was then sent over to Station 32 and Engine 27 ran as the 2nd Engine out of Station 31 for a bit. The current Station 27 then opened leading us to where we are now.

Now onto YYC and CFD. YYC owned the vehicles and the building. CFD provided the firefighters. There was only 1 FF per RED unit expect one which had the Station Captain. There was also the Airport District Chief. The FFs would also cross staff RED 9 which was the only unit that go onto the city side. At any given time there would be 3 or 4 crash tenders available and the Chief but they could still operate with 2 crash tenders which was the requirement. CFD and YYC ran RED 1, RED 2, RED 3, RED 6, RED 7 and RED 9. 1, 2, 3, and 6 were crash tenders, 7 is the Chief, 9 is the Rapid Response. Bush Buggy 13 also ran out of Station 13 at one point but was replaced by RED 9. It's the Special Events Unit now.

I believe at 1 point the old Station 27 housed RED 4 and RED 8 when they were still around.

IIRC run cards were laid out for the airport and were based on severity and fuel load.

AC1s were emergency landings.
AC2s were emergency landings or missing gear or an upgrade based fuel load.
AC3 was an actual crash.

AC1 response consisted of R1, R2, R3, R6, R7. The city would send 2 Engines, a Ladder, a Rescue, a HazMat, A DC, and a Tender.
AC2 brought 2 more Engines, another Ladder, another Tender and another DC.
AC3 brought everything above except a Tender.

That's all I know. If anyone can fact check this and add anything please do. I don't know how much of this info is actually true. Most of this is coming off muscle memory.
 

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I like the idea of Squads but we're not NYC, every engine already has extrication equipment and Engine 4 is staffed by HazMat techs. I would still kill to see a PUC in Calgary though. They're such reliable machines but CFD seems to like small fire trucks, with the exception of Ladders and Towers. From what I heard the new TR11 is most likely going to be a single axle further proving my point. But CFD is always adapting and changing so anything can happen.
Unfortunately CFD will probably never deploy anything as in-depth as a FDNY Squad company in the city. The amount of disciplines/training that the FDNY squad's cover and amount of different tool and equipment on each Squad and second piece is lot and its layered or redundant protection. It would be like CFD combining a Engine, Rescue, Aquatics unit, half a Ladder and a Hazmat worth of training and most tools of those units into a Squad/Second Piece. Calgary just does not have the population/density or really the call volume for such a unit.

CFD apparatus committee did look hard into PUC Pumpers, but the issue it sounded like was winter ops/no Top-mount enclosed option and how small the pump actually was - limited inlets and outlets and could only pump max 1500 gpm single stage. Now that was YEARS ago, Pierce has changed significantly and CFD has fallen out of love with SMEAL. With Lethbridge, Airdrie, Red Deer and Strathmore all having Pierce Top-mount enclosed pumps, we may see CFD starting to get some too.

It would be cool to see CFD deploy a Bush Buggy/MRU unit to a station like 12,22,32. Like a LAFD fast response, or Tender 25 and old Tender 21 but in a pickup truck that has limited firefighting capabilities but can respond to grass/trash/encampment fires, medical calls, MINOR MVC's and back-up any Engine or first alarm response on alarms calls and structure fires

It's sad to see that MRU's are only to respond to medical calls - like it makes sense, but they could be useful on alarms calls and fire calls in the core too
 

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For anyone who knows, can you guys fill me in on YYC-FD ops in the early 2000's? Particularly how CFD ran13 Station (ie 13 Engine) Any info on old 27 would be appreciated too.
Looking through CFD's history from the book "Smoke, Sweat and Tears" It's amazing to see the history of CFD apparatus movements from the 80's and how the city/CFD ran and operated. The original Station 13 was much closer to the terminals and built in 1977. Looks like it is used as a maintenance/storage facility today. Old Station 27 was built in 1962.

In 1984 -- 35 Pumpers (Spare probably included), 4 Squads (pumpers), 15 Aerials (probably including spares), 5 "Emergency" Rescue units and 5 Tankers were in service
 

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5 Tankers (tenders) is crazy compared to today, but the city was way less developed in 1984. The Rescues called in as "Emerg" during that time. All the names for units listed above didn't change until 2009. I remember the Chief mechanic told me there were Pumpers, Squads and Engines way back.

Engines were just bigger Pumpers that were kept around at various halls as greater alarm companies. Those are a thing of the past however.
By the time it was 2010 everything was listed as an Engine.

The 4 Squads mentioned were most likely Squad 8, Squad 10, Squad 12, Squad 16. Squad 8 was disbanded in the 90's and the rest had to be renamed due to an interesting reason. The Squads were basically Engines, but just meant to cover other halls (They were actually the only unit that cover other halls at the time). Now the city however didn't see it that way. They saw the Squads as a completely separate unit and a waste of money. So they told the city they would have to get rid of the Squads.

The CFD ultimately renamed the Squads to Engines to keep them alive. If they didn't Engine 301, 312, and 314 probably wouldn't be around.

302 and 322 are a different story. For Engine 302, the story is Engine 1A moved to Station 2 to become Engine 2A when Pump 36 left the hall. It was then renamed to Engine 49 then Engine 302. Engine 322 kinda just spawned in one day.

At the time Engine 27 (running a Quint) ran as the second Engine out of 22. The Quint was moved and 27 got a 2006 Engine and moved to 31. One day, Engine 50 just suddenly appeared in 22 as the second Engine due to call volume. It was then renumbered to Engine 322. I kinda just went on a historical rant about the CFD, my bad. The Department sure has grown a lot since the 80's.
 
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Unfortunately CFD will probably never deploy anything as in-depth as a FDNY Squad company in the city. The amount of disciplines/training that the FDNY squad's cover and amount of different tool and equipment on each Squad and second piece is lot and its layered or redundant protection. It would be like CFD combining a Engine, Rescue, Aquatics unit, half a Ladder and a Hazmat worth of training and most tools of those units into a Squad/Second Piece. Calgary just does not have the population/density or really the call volume for such a unit.

CFD apparatus committee did look hard into PUC Pumpers, but the issue it sounded like was winter ops/no Top-mount enclosed option and how small the pump actually was - limited inlets and outlets and could only pump max 1500 gpm single stage. Now that was YEARS ago, Pierce has changed significantly and CFD has fallen out of love with SMEAL. With Lethbridge, Airdrie, Red Deer and Strathmore all having Pierce Top-mount enclosed pumps, we may see CFD starting to get some too.

It would be cool to see CFD deploy a Bush Buggy/MRU unit to a station like 12,22,32. Like a LAFD fast response, or Tender 25 and old Tender 21 but in a pickup truck that has limited firefighting capabilities but can respond to grass/trash/encampment fires, medical calls, MINOR MVC's and back-up any Engine or first alarm response on alarms calls and structure fires

It's sad to see that MRU's are only to respond to medical calls - like it makes sense, but they could be useful on alarms calls and fire calls in the core too
The city just needs to really lean into the standardization, and staffing moves they're hoping for. Which is easy for me to say, as I sit behind a computer with 0 bars on my shoulders, and 0 experience with operations. My dream for the CFD in the future would consist of this.

44 Engine Companies
: To be placed in stations 1-45. (This includes Inglewoods new Stn.3) *More about Stn13 at the bottom* They would all be identical down to every last detail. Again, standardize. Staffed with 5 ffs. No real take on Engine builds, but I like Spartan/Smeal and I like Pierce. Basically run them how we do now, and have a Top Mount enclosed with a two stage pump. The way CFD is moving, seems like they'd probably be Pierce.

11 Ladder Companies: To be placed in various areas of the city, as the dept sees fit. All go with the same model. Just like Ladder 1, Pierce 107ft, straight stick, no Pumps. Run with 4 ffs, 2 jump seats. Also help delegate the responsibilities and equipment that our rescue units carry right now.

4 Tower Ladder Companies: To be placed in various areas around the city, as the dept sees fit. All go with the same model. Just like Tower 19, Pierce 100ft, Aerial platform, no Pumps. Run with 4 ff's, 2 jump seats. Along with serving the responsibility of carrying rescue gear, it also would be designed to assist with higher acuity calls, such as being attached on a 2nd or 3rd alarm assignment. This also stems into specialties like TRT, where the Towers can offer that platform for stokes, repel and aerial ops. Last big difference, Towers aren't crossed with Bush Buggies. With the addition of 3 Ladders in this fleet, it would offset the requirements of cross-staffing between 31TW/BB, 19TW/BB and 25TW/TE. Only having Ladders crossed would allow for Towers to be free to offer their additional services all the time.

3-4 Technical (Heavy) Rescue Companies: Placed at Stn.16, Stn.17, Stn.39 (and Stn.32). Hall wise, this is a good place because all three (or four) are large halls, with enough space for training and equipment storage. Furthermore, all halls aren't too busy, and have great access to major roadways. 16 and 17 are close to downtown, but don't get sucked into the vortex all too often.

32 and 39 are the outliers, and offer support to the areas further from the core. These units would be larger, walk-in Pierce rescues, and look quite similar to FDNYs Rescue companies. As much as CFD wants to make their rigs smaller, I think there is some real advantages to having all their gear on the truck. Assignments would be the same, and staffed with 4-6 firefighters depending on staffing.

Rescues would stop being assigned on alarms and MVCs. However, they would still be sent on all structure fire cards, major MVCs, train/plane events and TRT calls. Anything high acuity and can't be handled by the equipment on the Ladders or Engines.

2 Technical Rescue Support Companies: Smaller units, placed in 16 and 17 (the two TRT HQ halls) They would be cross-staffed with the Engine, and would run just like the TRS now. They would be smaller, single axel units and would carry anything that the rescue couldn't (including the lumber) Maybe even Mack trucks like FDNYs Collapse Rescues and High Rises.

3 Hazmat Companies: Keep them exactly how they are right now. CFD seems to love how hazmat is run, and the firefighters are happy with it.

2 Air-Light/Rehab Support Companies: These would be single axel Freightliners that serve two purposes. Carry SCBA bottles and bring the tables and Gatorade for rehab. No fancy refiller, no compressor or generator, no additional, crazy equipment. Take a page from Toronto Fire, and how they run their Air Lights. Cab with only two seats. Get rid of the High Rise, it doesn't serve it's purpose anymore.

2 Medical Response Units: Exactly how they are now. Smaller, Tahoe/Suburban type units, two firefighers, only medical gear. Keep them in the core, let the engines take their alarms, fires and MVC calls that they should be doing. 22 and 12 could also use them, but from what I've heard on the floor, they are handling it well.

2 Fire Response Paramedics
: Ford F-350 or Dodge 1500 ambulances. Smaller, more maneuverable, still carries all the required gear. Keep them on the same call assignments, still a single medic, not much to change even hall-wise (although 18 was a good fit). Apparatus wise, similar to the FDNY or LACoFD for apparatus builds.

-2 FRP ATV's (or Gators) would be the same. Although, I would get rid of the 40ft trailer at 20, and have both ATV's independently on their own little trailers. The big Mass Casualty trailer could be parked at HQ beside the Mobile Command, and pulled by a Haz Tech maybe. The Medic at 20 said lots of FRP's will go cold with the big trailer, even to hot calls, because it's so hard to pull. So it should be a little flatdeck with the ATV and that's all the FRP's pull.

3 Tender Companies: These would be staffed with two ff's, and be a complete reversal of what we've had. Get rid of all the lockers, heavy tools and unneeded equipment. All Tenders need to do are carry water, and more water. The new Tender at 21 is a good example of this, as it carries the least amount of equipment and has the largest tank, even though it's the smallest of the Tenders. We don't need the type of Tenders that 25 has and 21/32 used to have.

5 Bush Buggies: Same thing as now, two ff's, crossed with only Ladders though. However, get rid of the current BB style. The trucks are so heavy that they are hard to offroad on (which is the whole point) Duallies are notorius for getting stuck in the mud, and overall they don't truly serve their purpose. I would want to see them go with the 4x4 lifted bush buggies. 4 tires, lifted well off the ground, nothing but a tank, a hose and a couple extra tools. Keep em light, keep em mobile, keep em full of water.

3 Boat Tows/Jet Boats: Same running order, staffing, all that. Just go with the current plan of trucks that look like the Special Events, with all the equipment roll-up lockers in the back. Can even throw a Zodiac up top if need be.

-1 Aquatic Rescue
stays the same, and assists with dive rescue whereas BT's due surface rescues. Although same running assignments as they do now.

IV's, DC's, HT's and IC's can all stay the same, no real need to change what ain't broke here.

Now here's where I change it up a bit:

1 Rapid Response Unit
: This would be a two-man unit, and basically be a multi-purpose unit. It would have a tank on board so it could be sent out as a 6th Bush Buggy. It would have more locker space so it could carry all the same gear as the MRU. And it would be normal height (not lifted) so it can go into parkades and retire the old parkade unit. Basically a fully staffed, spare unit that can act as a 6th bush buggy, 3rd MRU, 4th boat tow (if need be) and the parkade.

Even better, throw it at 16 and have them crossed with the Recovery. Gives reason to staff both units as full time, lots of extra trailers such as generators or the fan that it can tow. And good access to back up BBs on wildland calls, quick runs into downtown for parkade events, and also quick to run downtown or over to 17th ave (East side) to back up 1 and 2, or act in place of 12 MRU if it's needed. (Like if 12 is all out at a building fire, maybe squad a engine and the Rapid to 12 so the rapid can pick up the medicals, and leave the squaded engine for all the other calls.

5 Squad Companies: These would be identical to the Engines, same tools, configurations and customizations (Top mount/2 stage) Also have 5 ffs. The two differences would be coverage and pilot programs. Coverage wise, Squads are the first ones to get moved during coverage assigments, just like how the 300s are used.

For pilot programs, the Squads would be the ones to feature them. Such as the blue lights, smooth bore deck gun or 360 cameras. These end up getting tested out in busy halls anyway, might as well be one with two Engines (or engine/squad in this case) That way if something goes wrong, there's going to be a second engine coming as backup anyways.

These trucks could also be the ones to feature the different liveries CFD goes with, such as the Canada 150 or the Indigenous wrap. That way more of the public can see them, as the Squads would be moving around so much anyways. Just aesthetically, I would like every Engine in the city to be identical. (On a side note, I would like to see a variation of CFD wraps. Not so say that the 150 isn't cool, but it was almost 7 years ago now. Speaking completely personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a Canada Wrap, an Indigenous Wrap, a Flames/Stampeders Wrap and then a couple others like Breast Cancer Awareness or Gay/LGBTQ Pride. As I know other major cities in Canada and North America have featured those before)

Overall, this is the plan I've been mulling over. Again, this is based on my personal opinion, mixed in with the opinions I've heard from guys on the floor. This would also be done with an unlimited budget, and no concern for the most "economical" choices. This would just be my dream for the CFD.

Lastly, any ideas about Station 13? It must be getting a permanent hall at some point, but where could you even put it? Being such a low number, it should be somewhat close to the core, but there really isn't much room around. Love to hear some ideas!

Sorry for such a long reply too haha. Been a while since I've chimed in on here, kinda let a lot out haha!
 

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I haven't heard or read anything about Station "13" being used in the future, but really any future station could be numbered 13. CFD doesn't seem rushed to use the number (example: look at how long "Station 3" has not been used for) That being said, a new density Station could pop up in the years to come as the city looks to densify certain areas of the city.

Station 3 construction is supposed to start in Q2 2025. New Station 1 is still being shelved for now. Belmont (across from Station 43) is supposed to start this year. Will a spare Engine run out of the station? New Station 38 is supposed to be finished by the spring. Looks like some construction issues occurred early on at the new Station 17 project so that will hopefully be finished by 2026.

Haskayne is supposed to start in 2026, which makes me question why they are even getting a station given that the community is isolated and the city probably wont be annexing any part of Rocky View County that surrounds it anytime soon. Future development and roads will change things though.
CFD could take over primary response in that immediate part of the county and the new station will provide relief from 21. 42 is not terribly busy at the moment, but they will get busier in the future.

I have not found the addresses of the new Belmont or Haskayne/Rock Point Stations
 
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