CFD Apparatus status discussion (Non-Radio Information)
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I think I saw the same thing with BT21. I might be tripping, but maybe they did?
Just seeking your opinions:
The Pierce Ascendant 110' single axle platform seems like it packs a lot of capability into a maneuverable truck chassis.
But is that too much truck for a single drive axle? Would tire and brake wear lead to a lot of downtime? If it were a dry truck (no tank, no pump - and more room for fire fighting equipment) would it be more feasible?
The Pierce Ascendant 110' single axle platform seems like it packs a lot of capability into a maneuverable truck chassis.
But is that too much truck for a single drive axle? Would tire and brake wear lead to a lot of downtime? If it were a dry truck (no tank, no pump - and more room for fire fighting equipment) would it be more feasible?
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Taking off the tank and pump definitely lightens the load. But Pierce MFG is all about innovation however.
I'm sure Pierce accounted for the weight of a 110' Ladder plus a bucket at the end of that and a pump and tank if a Quint configuration is desired when designing the Acesdent class of aerials back in 2019 (Don't quote me on that year, that's just when the first models started releasing)
No truck is perfect however and no truck is immune to wear and tear whether it's an engine from Stephen or the new pumper tankers from Pierce CFD will receive and I'm sure the truck in the photo above definitely will suffer from the same thing but maybe a bit quicker seeing as this is a heavy duty steel ladder built for tandem ladders on a single axle.
Those are my thoughts I don't really know much when it comes to what takes a toll on a fire truck's life.
I'm sure Pierce accounted for the weight of a 110' Ladder plus a bucket at the end of that and a pump and tank if a Quint configuration is desired when designing the Acesdent class of aerials back in 2019 (Don't quote me on that year, that's just when the first models started releasing)
No truck is perfect however and no truck is immune to wear and tear whether it's an engine from Stephen or the new pumper tankers from Pierce CFD will receive and I'm sure the truck in the photo above definitely will suffer from the same thing but maybe a bit quicker seeing as this is a heavy duty steel ladder built for tandem ladders on a single axle.
Those are my thoughts I don't really know much when it comes to what takes a toll on a fire truck's life.
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That’s a pretty cool looking truck, definitely an aluminum ladder which is ok. Extruded aluminum is very strong. The bucket is probably a combination aluminium and steel. The thing with these heavyish trucks with a single axle, they tend to be hard on brakes. With technology evolving they may have greatly improved brake performance. Personally I really like the single axle straight sticks like 30 ladder without the pump and tank. They are manoeuvrable in tight spots. Excellent in urban areas.
Ya exactly. It looks like the platform itself has some weight restrictions (lights, load, single stream - 1,250 gpm - only) versus a tandem. But I have to imagine the maneuverability of the single axle truck would be a huge plus, along with being less expensive.
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The only reasons I can see CFD going with the longer twin axel Aerials is for equipment/ladder storage and Aerial weight. The new trucks will be packed, plus now carrying all the tools and gear the Rescues had they'll need the extra room. CFD went with a steel Ladder, I imagine it weighs quite a bit and requires the extra axel to distribute that weight - this is Pierces drawing for the new Aerial Ladder - https://1641088.fs1.hubspotusercont...New_Deliveries_Files/38175AD-SH1.pdf?noresize
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I would say the brass have decided to standardize the fleet, this will reduce training time and increase capability. The new sticks have a waterway so that translates into a 500 lbs. tip load. The steel ladder will be galvanized and built heavy duty. These will truly be truck companies.
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We don't seem to have a Ladder shortage this summer which is excellent, but we do seem to have a Rescue spare shortage right now. 4 Hazmat and the spare are in the shops along with 4 Airlight and some Rescues. 4 Airlight is running a spare 2010 Rosenbauer Engine currently.
I do wonder when the Rescues get converted into Ladders if a 3rd Rescue will be kept in the front line fleet or even a 4th? CFD could accomplish this by moving Engine 10 and 11's crews over to Rescues - so their would be 4 tech rescue trained Rescues ready to roll across the city.
This is just one thought, of course a few other scenario's could playout like just training more ff's in technical rescue, so at least a 3rd fire station worth of ff's would be trained bringing at least 24 tech rescue personal on per shift. 2024-25 will probably be the most interesting years will see on this forum lol
I do wonder when the Rescues get converted into Ladders if a 3rd Rescue will be kept in the front line fleet or even a 4th? CFD could accomplish this by moving Engine 10 and 11's crews over to Rescues - so their would be 4 tech rescue trained Rescues ready to roll across the city.
This is just one thought, of course a few other scenario's could playout like just training more ff's in technical rescue, so at least a 3rd fire station worth of ff's would be trained bringing at least 24 tech rescue personal on per shift. 2024-25 will probably be the most interesting years will see on this forum lol
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The great rescue topic! I love all things rescue! CFD is going through a transition, LAFD meets FDNY.
Every firefighter in the city on shift should be trained or have an understanding of what is required of the job. So in theory the rescue technicians should have lots of back up. Same should apply to Haz-Mat, water/dive rescue, and medical. This will require lots of training and souring costs, but the clients, us, we deserve it.
Engine crews carry a combination tool.
Ladders are supposed to replace the Rescues, that means tools
I believe these two resources will be the basis for any response above a medical call. The Engine and truck will be first on scene for almost any event, at a MVC they will handle extrications, fire suppression and overhaul.
At structure fires, the truck will open up and the engine will attack the fire. If a call comes in for some fellow hanging off the Calgary Tower, the Engine and truck should able to start the rescue while the Heavy Rescue makes its way to the scene. In the past we discussed Squads, here is the opportunity. Convert some Engines to enhanced or Rescue Engines, and have a bunch around the city. When you combine a Ladder and a Squad, you could argue they equal a Heavy Rescue, combined crew of eight, combined tools on both rigs, together they could effectively become a heavy rescue. Not bad.
The Heavy Rescues should be big, over stocked, carry every imaginable tool put on this earth, they should carry four firefighters at all times and have good training. The Heavy Rescue should respond to all second alarms, big wrecks, tech rescues, collapse rescue, trench, any PIN jobs even big Hazmat calls. CFD should call them Rescue 1 & Rescue 2. I would like to see two of the current rescues be converted into Collapse Rescues. They would replace the current tech rescue supports, both need replacing. Next convert another two rescuers into ESU's, emergency support units. They have light towers, they can carry lots of bottles, then we load them up with a bunch of tools and big fans. We send them to all workers, haz, high rise, underground,
Water/dive, crew it with an officer and firefighter. The rest of the fleet can become spares.
So we solved the rescue issue, basically every resource on the road should be able to get the ball rolling and make grabs. The heavy rescue crews should be providing guidance to the crews that have things in motion, the engine, ladder and possibly squad should have enough rope gear to setup anchors and basic rigging or possibly use the ladder to make the grab. They may advise dispatch to pick up the rescue, services not required.
Now if we could get city council to buy tractor drawn ladders...
Every firefighter in the city on shift should be trained or have an understanding of what is required of the job. So in theory the rescue technicians should have lots of back up. Same should apply to Haz-Mat, water/dive rescue, and medical. This will require lots of training and souring costs, but the clients, us, we deserve it.
Engine crews carry a combination tool.
Ladders are supposed to replace the Rescues, that means tools
I believe these two resources will be the basis for any response above a medical call. The Engine and truck will be first on scene for almost any event, at a MVC they will handle extrications, fire suppression and overhaul.
At structure fires, the truck will open up and the engine will attack the fire. If a call comes in for some fellow hanging off the Calgary Tower, the Engine and truck should able to start the rescue while the Heavy Rescue makes its way to the scene. In the past we discussed Squads, here is the opportunity. Convert some Engines to enhanced or Rescue Engines, and have a bunch around the city. When you combine a Ladder and a Squad, you could argue they equal a Heavy Rescue, combined crew of eight, combined tools on both rigs, together they could effectively become a heavy rescue. Not bad.
The Heavy Rescues should be big, over stocked, carry every imaginable tool put on this earth, they should carry four firefighters at all times and have good training. The Heavy Rescue should respond to all second alarms, big wrecks, tech rescues, collapse rescue, trench, any PIN jobs even big Hazmat calls. CFD should call them Rescue 1 & Rescue 2. I would like to see two of the current rescues be converted into Collapse Rescues. They would replace the current tech rescue supports, both need replacing. Next convert another two rescuers into ESU's, emergency support units. They have light towers, they can carry lots of bottles, then we load them up with a bunch of tools and big fans. We send them to all workers, haz, high rise, underground,
Water/dive, crew it with an officer and firefighter. The rest of the fleet can become spares.
So we solved the rescue issue, basically every resource on the road should be able to get the ball rolling and make grabs. The heavy rescue crews should be providing guidance to the crews that have things in motion, the engine, ladder and possibly squad should have enough rope gear to setup anchors and basic rigging or possibly use the ladder to make the grab. They may advise dispatch to pick up the rescue, services not required.
Now if we could get city council to buy tractor drawn ladders...
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Fun fact... There are no spare Ladders available right now and 23 for almost a week had no Ladder 23 and was justfully staffing the Bush Buggy. I think it came back.
Whilst it was gone, Tower 25 and Ladder 1 shared 23's District for calls.
Whilst it was gone, Tower 25 and Ladder 1 shared 23's District for calls.
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That is really sad ;/ But it does appear to happen to a lot of bigger departments, ones even bigger then Calgary..
RP201, I do agree that all ff's should be trained in everything but financially I don't think its realistic and the call volume just isn't there for specialty type - low frequency, high risk - type of calls like building collapses, plane crashes, train incidents, earthquakes, massive Hazmat incidents, etc. CFD likes the number 3 right now for specialty things.. 3 Hazmats, 3 Towers, 3 Aquatic trucks, 3 Tenders (4 are ordered, 1 will probably be a spare) I could see a 3rd Rescue coming on line and the rest being retro fitted as supports or just put into the spare pool
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The brass does like the number 3, considering the city is divided into four nice quarters, but CFD seems to be about the north, south and the core. If they go with three rescues, I’m going to guess, 17 in the north, 39 in the south and 2 in the core. Probably move the high rise back to 5. I also agree that the fourth tanker will be a spare. Montreal does that, they need 5 platforms, so they order 6, one spare. With this new fleet of ladders coming, CFD should have a healthy spare pool.
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Evening Gents. Hope yall had a great summer. I heard rumor that once the tenders and ladders have been replaced CFD will move on to 11TR and the support trucks.
From what I have heard 11TR will unfortunately be a dual/single axle rescue rather than a tandem rescue. Support rigs such as 4 A/L will either be replaced by the 2018 Metrostar rescues or by rescue type rigs. 2HRS will also be replaced with a single axle rescue type rig and all rigs mentioned will be provided by none other than our new friend Pierce MFG.
This raises a new question. CFD's love interest was Spartan when it came to almost every single truck. The last 10 years show this. But it appears that CFD is going to get a lot of stuff from Pierce in the future. Does this mean CFD's new love interest is now Pierce MFG? Will the next batch of engines be provided by Pierce instead of Spartan? Will we see a PUC run as Engine 1 one day? (I hope) Guess time will tell where CFD will get new trucks from. In my opinion Pierce is a great manufacturer that builds awesome rigs built to last and serve cities. New engines from Pierce wouldn't be a bad thing at all.
That's just my opinion. I would love to hear y'alls.
BTW: New L1 should come into service either this weekend or next week from what a Lt told me. Either way, pretty soon we might see A0105 join the spare pool. (Q1204 was a bit to scared to join the spare pool and is being used for training)
From what I have heard 11TR will unfortunately be a dual/single axle rescue rather than a tandem rescue. Support rigs such as 4 A/L will either be replaced by the 2018 Metrostar rescues or by rescue type rigs. 2HRS will also be replaced with a single axle rescue type rig and all rigs mentioned will be provided by none other than our new friend Pierce MFG.
This raises a new question. CFD's love interest was Spartan when it came to almost every single truck. The last 10 years show this. But it appears that CFD is going to get a lot of stuff from Pierce in the future. Does this mean CFD's new love interest is now Pierce MFG? Will the next batch of engines be provided by Pierce instead of Spartan? Will we see a PUC run as Engine 1 one day? (I hope) Guess time will tell where CFD will get new trucks from. In my opinion Pierce is a great manufacturer that builds awesome rigs built to last and serve cities. New engines from Pierce wouldn't be a bad thing at all.
That's just my opinion. I would love to hear y'alls.
BTW: New L1 should come into service either this weekend or next week from what a Lt told me. Either way, pretty soon we might see A0105 join the spare pool. (Q1204 was a bit to scared to join the spare pool and is being used for training)
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The rumour mill is always fun and thought provoking.
I expect that electric truck should be showing up soon. The new water tenders, probably going to see a new ladder every three to six months.
With respect to the A/L, I bet they convert a spare rescue to replace it. As for TR 11, going backwards, well that would be a shame. The Rescue supports are getting old. The high rise will be interesting to tackle, the current rig is so big and so focused, that it will be hard to sell. They may end up parting it out, I think converting it might be difficult and not cost effective.
Many big city FDs go through different manufacturers over time. Calgary has switched to Pierce, which is a good thing. They build beautiful equipment. It all comes down to price, service and warranties. Will we see a PUC, hard to say, CFD might try out a demo unit, I’ve herd some folks love them, some hate them. Apparently there is a lot of bending down. CFD really loves there enclosed top mount pump panel. Personally I’d like to see CFD go with an engine like LAFD or San Diego. Short, side mount panel, deck gun further forward. At least a 1750 pump.
Hopefully ladder 1 goes into service sooner than later!
I expect that electric truck should be showing up soon. The new water tenders, probably going to see a new ladder every three to six months.
With respect to the A/L, I bet they convert a spare rescue to replace it. As for TR 11, going backwards, well that would be a shame. The Rescue supports are getting old. The high rise will be interesting to tackle, the current rig is so big and so focused, that it will be hard to sell. They may end up parting it out, I think converting it might be difficult and not cost effective.
Many big city FDs go through different manufacturers over time. Calgary has switched to Pierce, which is a good thing. They build beautiful equipment. It all comes down to price, service and warranties. Will we see a PUC, hard to say, CFD might try out a demo unit, I’ve herd some folks love them, some hate them. Apparently there is a lot of bending down. CFD really loves there enclosed top mount pump panel. Personally I’d like to see CFD go with an engine like LAFD or San Diego. Short, side mount panel, deck gun further forward. At least a 1750 pump.
Hopefully ladder 1 goes into service sooner than later!
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You drive a pretty fair point about HRS 2. I don't know who will buy that beast once it gets retired. It's such a massive truck and it takes up 2 lanes when it tries to make it's turns in Downtown which is probably the main reason it's replacement will be a single axle just for downsizing a oversized truck.
A/L will most likely get one of the 2018 rescues just with an air compressor installed to fill up bottles. It is a shame that TR11 is getting downsized but I guess it serves the shame issue as HRS2 with taking up 2 lanes and the fact that pull out of 11 Station is a squeeze for it. From CFD's standpoint they just want downsized (Ladders don't count) and standardized fleet that won't serve a list of issues.
A/L will most likely get one of the 2018 rescues just with an air compressor installed to fill up bottles. It is a shame that TR11 is getting downsized but I guess it serves the shame issue as HRS2 with taking up 2 lanes and the fact that pull out of 11 Station is a squeeze for it. From CFD's standpoint they just want downsized (Ladders don't count) and standardized fleet that won't serve a list of issues.
