CFD Apparatus status discussion (Non-Radio Information)

[RP201]

The current high rise was a good concept, basically two rigs in one. (High Rise and Air Supply). It this huge compressor with hand warmers and then a wheel chair lift housing a bunch of wheeled touts that carry a variety of tools. Toronto runs a pair of High Rise units, essentially run like Ladder trucks, without ladders. Crew of four. They carry all sorts of gear. FDNY also runs two cross staffed. They are short little Mack MR's. I’ve said this before, I think CFD would be better off going with a combination Air Light, High Rise, underground, support unit. Something the size of the 2018 rescues.

As for TR 10 and 11, I think if you’re going with a heavy rescue, it should be heavy and carry everything including the kitchen sink. They should be big, and fully staffed at all times. Trained to deal with anything. The Rescue Supports should be reclassified as Collapse Rescues and be cross staffed by the Rescue and run together when needed.

 

[ENGINE_4]

CFD will probably go with Pierce when they need new Engines in the future, but I would imagine they will look a lot more like Red Deer's, Medicine Hat's or Airdrie's Engines

I am becoming more curious about the Tenders and how CFD will operate them. Will they be like Edmonton's smaller Pumper-Tenders and only carry 1000-1500 gallons of water and run as Engines? or will they 2000-2500 Gallon Tenders that potentially carry foam? Will they have a 4-seater cab but only run with 2 ff's? Hopefully we will see more information come out soon. Does anyone know if the CFD scanner is down for maintenance or is it off line for good?

 

[RP201]

I heard the scanner guy is moving, and the feed will be back up soon.

That Red Deer rig is interesting, you can see the CFD influence clear as day. Are those Arrow XT?

As for the tankers, hopefully they are 2500 gallon, tandem axle jobs. Those Edmonton rigs are just pumpers with large tanks. More of a rural style pumper. Foam would be an excellent addition. Toronto has a beautiful foam tanker deal. The following is from E-One.

• Freightliner M2 112 2-door 6×4 chassis
• Extruded aluminum body with 30” wide full height forward compartment and 36” wide half height rear compartment
• Waterous CRU 12,000 lpm (4,000 gpm) industrial rated pump
• 2030-gallon foam tank for Class B foam concentrate
• Cold weather package featuring pump compartment heaters and heat pan
• Three (3) 2” foam tank outlets
• Four (4) 6” suction inlet ports with TFT Jumbo intake valves controlled at pump operator’s panel
• Two (2) 6” discharges with Akron electric valves with full color displays
• One (1) 6” deck gun discharge with Williams Hydro-Foam® Ranger 3 Nozzle with automatic self-educting feature
• Credit to E-One

That is a fully industrial engine. But has some really cool features, but I expect the CFD tenders will be fully functional Pumpers, so they can fill themselves and then drop there water in a porta tank and then shuttle back to the source, be it a hydrant or lake. Hopefully they carry lots of foam!

Thoughts?

 

[255-Jacobs]

Ladder 1 is running a spare now. (Q0908) I think it might be happening!

I heard the scanner guy is moving, and the feed will be back up soon.

That Red Deer rig is interesting, you can see the CFD influence clear as day. Are those Arrow XT?

As for the tankers, hopefully they are 2500 gallon, tandem axle jobs. Those Edmonton rigs are just pumpers with large tanks. More of a rural style pumper. Foam would be an excellent addition. Toronto has a beautiful foam tanker deal. The following is from E-One.

• Freightliner M2 112 2-door 6×4 chassis
• Extruded aluminum body with 30” wide full height forward compartment and 36” wide half height rear compartment
• Waterous CRU 12,000 lpm (4,000 gpm) industrial rated pump
• 2030-gallon foam tank for Class B foam concentrate
• Cold weather package featuring pump compartment heaters and heat pan
• Three (3) 2” foam tank outlets
• Four (4) 6” suction inlet ports with TFT Jumbo intake valves controlled at pump operator’s panel
• Two (2) 6” discharges with Akron electric valves with full color displays
• One (1) 6” deck gun discharge with Williams Hydro-Foam® Ranger 3 Nozzle with automatic self-educting feature
• Credit to E-One

That is a fully industrial engine. But has some really cool features, but I expect the CFD tenders will be fully functional pumpers, so they can fill themselves and then drop there water in a porta tank and then shuttle back to the source, be it a hydrant or lake. Hopefully they carry lots of foam!

Thoughts?

Their gonna be Pumper Tankers like Edmonton's lads. A shame it won't be an international chassis like 120 Tender.

 

[ENGINE_4]

Their gonna be Pumper Tankers like Edmonton's lads. A shame it won't be an international chassis like 120 Tender.

Do you know if they're going to be smaller 1000-1500 tanks or larger 2500 gallon tanks?

 

[255-Jacobs]

That I don't know sadly. But I would assume it would be 1000-1500 seeing as these will be Tenders for an urban FD, not a rural FD.

 

[JABoomer]

What are your thoughts on the enclosed top-mount engine design the CFD has evolved? I see Edmonton and Winnipeg both have side-mount engines (Edmonton's is enclosed in a compartment, Winnipeg's is open). The CFD design keeps the pump operator out of the elements and provides more visibility of the fire scene in some circumstances, just not sure what you're sacrificing space/layout wise to achieve this.

 

[RP201]

There is a trend amongst a few big city FD's to move the SCBA packs out of the cabs and into the compartments. LAFD, Phoenix, San Francisco have started this practice. They are also having crews sit facing forward for safety. Should CFD adopt this concept, being forward thinking, I expect you might see outside pump panels with roll up doors and hand warmers. To address the visibility concern, CFD might opt for a right side pump panel.

 

[255-Jacobs]

What are your thoughts on the enclosed top-mount engine design the CFD has evolved? I see Edmonton and Winnipeg both have side-mount engines (Edmonton's is enclosed in a compartment, Winnipeg's is open). The CFD design keeps the pump operator out of the elements and provides more visibility of the fire scene in some circumstances, just not sure what you're sacrificing space/layout wise to achieve this.

From what an operator told me, CFD uses the enclosed design due to the extreme temperatures we see here and I guess it gives responding FF's more room to move around to strap on their gear.

 

[JABoomer]

There is a trend amongst a few big city FDs to move the SCBA packs out of the cabs and into the compartments, LAFD, Phoenix, San Francisco have started this practice. They are also having crews sit facing forward for safety. Should CFD adopt this concept, being forward thinking, I expect you might see outside pump panels with roll up doors and hand warmers. To address the visibility concern, CFD might opt for a right side pump panel.

Are hand warmers built into the truck or just heat packs in the FF's gloves?

 

[255-Jacobs]

Morning lads. Just a lil update on 18E. It's been running a spare since May and an operator told me it was due to "driver error" but after doing some digging I found out that 18E main crashed. So 18E might very well put 22E to shame for running a spare for the longest time at this rate.

 

[ENGINE_4]

What are your thoughts on the enclosed top-mount engine design the CFD has evolved? I see Edmonton and Winnipeg both have side-mount engines (Edmonton's is enclosed in a compartment, Winnipeg's is open). The CFD design keeps the pump operator out of the elements and provides more visibility of the fire scene in some circumstances, just not sure what you're sacrificing space/layout wise to achieve this.

If you look at the pump panel in the Engines it's quite spacious and lever actuated. I don't know much about the technical aspects and such, but obviously the operator and controls stay warm and (as mentioned) it gives a space for FF's to stand up and change in the apparatus/stay warm in winter and cooler in summer. I don't think CFD will ever move away from the cab over pump concept or move to a clean cab concept.. but will find in a couple years with this next batch of Engines.

Q1008 - the 2008 Spartan/Smeal Quint that was picked up as a demo from Smeal is parked behind the baby Bronto's at the shop which signals its up for auction.
E4402 the 2002 Sterling/Fort Garry Pump has been located at the shops ready reserve building for a while - I think it'll stay there until the Tenders are replaced..

E4921 and E5021 are still not in service :/

and the only truck in CFD's fleet that has handwarmers on it is the High-Rise truck


Sorry, it's not a great image.. but you get the idea. The pump panel is nice and spacious, the operator/engineer/chauffer can calculate pump pressure and or reference the sheets when needed too. The argument could be made it's safer for the pump operator because they're not out in the elements, but they do have to climb stairs. Point is, there is a few pump designs and ways to pump at a fire scene. This is CFD's way of doing it

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

Hey guys! Sorry I’m new here, so not sure if anybody has discussed this yet. Because of the mishap with Boat 30, Calgary bought a brand new fire boat. Outlaw outfitters, same siren and WHELEN light package as the old ones. However this one is similar to EFRS boat, and different from the other CFD ones. It’s a flat bottom boat where the front comes down as a ramp and you can load gear and crew (even a ATV haha) on it. Should be in service here in the next month or two

 

[ENGINE_4]

What happened to Boat 30?

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

What happened to Boat 30?

They sunk it apparently. So 30 got written off and Calgary had to scramble to find a new boat to replace it.

 

[255-Jacobs]

If you look at the pump panel in the Engines it's quite spacious and lever actuated. I don't know much about the technical aspects and such, but obviously the operator and controls stay warm and (as mentioned) it gives a space for FF's to stand up and change in the apparatus/stay warm in winter and cooler in summer. I don't think CFD will ever move away from the cab over pump concept or move to a clean cab concept.. but will find in a couple years with this next batch of Engines.

Q1008 - the 2008 Spartan/Smeal Quint that was picked up as a demo from Smeal is parked behind the baby Bronto's at the shop which signals its up for auction.
E4402 the 2002 Sterling/Fort Garry Pump has been located at the shops ready reserve building for a while - I think it'll stay there until the Tenders are replaced..

E4921 and E5021 are still not in service :/

and the only truck in CFD's fleet that has handwarmers on it is the High-Rise truck

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Sorry, it's not a great image.. but you get the idea. The pump panel is nice and spacious, the operator/engineer/chauffer can calculate pump pressure and or reference the sheets when needed too. The argument could be made it's safer for the pump operator because they're not out in the elements, but they do have to climb stairs. Point is, there is a few pump designs and ways to pump at a fire scene. This is CFD's way of doing it

A shame Q1008 is being retired. That brings the number of spare Ladders to 3 (Plus Q0908 being used as L1) This honestly really scares me. Though the summer is over and things are gonna settle down a bit the thought of 3 spares makes me uneasy seeing as we have a fleet of 11 Ladders and Towers in service. I imagine that number will go back to 4 one A0105 is retired from being L1 and tossed into the spare pool. I just hope they don't do the same thing with Q1204 and retire it due to old age.

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

A shame Q1008 is being retired. That brings the number of spare ladders to 3 (Plus Q0908 being used as L1) This honestly really scares me. Though the summer is over and things are gonna settle down a bit the thought of 3 spares makes me uneasy seeing as we have a fleet of 11 ladders and towers in service. I imagine that number will go back to 4 one A0105 is retired from being L1 and tossed into the spare pool. I just hope they don't do the same thing with Q1204 and retire it due to old age.

Q1204 is also officially retired. The shop foreman was telling me it is parked at training so they can do pump drills off it, but it wont be operational as a spare

 

[ENGINE_4]

3 spares right now, yes. But there will be 4 spares and A0105 once its finished at the shops (so 5 spares) - Q01 and Q0711, Q0908 and Q1108. Q1204 is at Training and will probably just stay there as a Engine and Ladder to use. I'm hoping some new Pierce Ladders will be showing up soon?

 

[255-Jacobs]

Q1204 is being used as a training piece, yeah. It was to banged up and old to use as a spare, unfortunately. I'd imagine that new Ladders to replace the 2011 Sneak Quints will arrive and come into service next year. Took a long time for the new Towers and L1023 to arrive and go into service (Excluding L1023)

 

[michauds]

Can confirm the new Ladder 1 is now in service. Just walked past Station 1 this evening.