CFD Apparatus status discussion (Non-Radio Information)

[Alberta_LightsNSirens]

Welcome to the thread Alberta_LightsNSirens! All existing Ladders will eventually be replaced and probably most of them will end up as spares. 10 or so additional Ladders will be added as well

Been reading for a while, glad to be apart of it. Thank you for the information!

 

[255-Jacobs]

Just a li'l something for those who don't know. A0105 won't be going into the spare pool like I had hoped. It's being sold off like the twin Bronto's and the old Tower 19, Q1204.

 

[RP201]

CFD is having a bit of a spare challenge. I’m surprised the city has decided to sell the former T19. I thought that rig had a few years left in it.

I watched a video on the old YouTube by our new friend Calgary Fire Filmer (great channel!) of a spare Engine running as a spare Air Light. I gather it was loaded up with Gatorade. Obviously, the brass is aware of what’s going on.
Since the city has a contract with Pierce to replace 6 Rescues, with Ladders, effectively 6 new Ladders, and replacing the other 11, I imagine with supply chain issues slowly being resolved, we should start seeing new Ladders slowly and steadily arrive in the city.

As for the future Pumps or Engines, we won’t know until we see them. Everyone has wonderful insights and arguments for and against enclosed pump panels or exterior. It’s going to come down the costs and safety. Right now, the city is paying at minimum $1M per stick. Those Towers had to be more.
These two man Rescues will never be able to provide the performance of a 4 man Ladder crew. Bigger truck, more equipment, versatility, and the most important part, the crew in the truck. This is going to take a great deal of pressure off the Engine.
The future is looking brighter for CFD.

 

[255-Jacobs]

Speaking of the future, I took a look at what the future holds for fire stations
(This is for those who don't know, but I can think of one person in this thread who knows it all)
A new Station 1 will open in Bridgeland and a new Multi-services centre will open in Inglewood.
This will include Station 3. Completion will be 2025.

A new Station 12 will be built, completion will be 2026.

The new Station 17 will be completed 2024.

27 will have their permanent hall by 2026, IIRC.

38's perm hall/Multi-services centre will be done by 2024.

The C-Can hall/43 will be replaced by a permanent hall by 2026.

According to an FF at 44, that hall won't get a permanent replacement anytime within the next 3 years.

45 will be done before the year end, but I think we all knew that.

A temporary Fire Station 46 will open in Belmont. This hall will take away parts of 26 and maybe even 43's district. There is no time for when this hall will open but I'm sure it will be within the 3-5 years.

A temporary Fire Station 47 will open in Hotchkiss in the SE and will most likely cover Southbound 201 and take away part of 30's district. This temp hall will open either 2025 or 2026.

A temporary hall will open in Rockland Park in the NW and will take away parts of 35 and 42's districts. There is no number yet reserved for this hall but if I had to guess it will most likely be Station 48. There is no completion date for this hall.

Do take note that these opening dates are merely anticipated. As we have seen with CFD before, stuff happens, delays occur. I wouldn't be surprised if these future halls get delayed by a year or so. Either way, the next 4 years are going to look interesting yet exciting for the CFD and this forum, lol.

 

[RP201]

I read an article last year. I believe it was an interview with the Chief and during the interview he talked about Stations 1 and 3 and he also brought up replacing 2. According to the Chief, the structure is reaching the end of its days as a fire hall.

With all these other major infrastructure fire department projects going on, I think 2 might drop down the priority list.

Any idea where they might build a new Beltline station?

 

[255-Jacobs]

Unfortunately a new Station 2 is not part of the 12 planned halls that will open in the next 3 years. My guess is a new Station 2 is further down the road and planning probably won't begin at least until the new Station's 1 and 3 are built.

 

[ENGINE_4]

I was trying to put together a list of tools and equipment an engine might carry. I know a CFD engine will not have everything listed below, but do CFD engines carry anything that is not listed?

High rise kit
Aquatic rescue kit
Rope rescue kit
Long tools (grass beater, squeegee, broom, hard rake, pole, hook, piercing nozzle)
Hard suction pipe
Medium tools (grain shovel, spade shovel, square shovel, sledge hammer, pick, axe, halligan, pry bar, pike, bolt cutters, bow saw, ziamatic bar spreader)
Small tool kit (mallet, hatchet, pry bar, bolt cutters, hand saws)
Hand tool kit
Combi-tool (spreader/cutter)
Power tools (reciprocating saw, drill) and accessories kit
Basic medical kit
Advanced medical / AED kit
Spill kit (booms/bags)
Absorbent buckets
Pylons
Ground ladders
Hydrant kit
Plumbing fittings kit
Hose monitors kit
SCBA bottles
Fire extinguishers
Cribbing
Lights kit
Ventilation fan
Decontamination kit
Cab cabinet (ice melt / grit, needle box, PPE, first-aid kit, radios, lights, stuffy, water, medical supplies, gas monitors, cameras)
Blankets and tarps
Tow kit (includes jumper cables and jack)
Wheel chocks
Chainsaw and rotary saw plus accessories
Supply kit (tape, paint, oil, zip ties, glue, rope)
Wildland packs
Stokes basket
Extension cord
Fuels
Forcible entry/elevator kit

Good run down, Engines don’t carry stokes baskets, their aquatic kit is really only PFD’s and rope, only Tenders carry hard suction hose, I think they only have a single chain saw, rotary’s are on the Ladders and Rescues. Engines really don’t carry much cribbing, the wild land pack is only a 100ft of 3/4” or 1” forestry hose with adaptors (unless they’ve upgraded this year) I don’t think they carry any aerosol paint cans, zip ties or glue.

Don’t take my word for it though, it’s been a bit since I’ve been able to go though an Engine. Stop by any station and I’m sure the crew will be glad to give a tour!

 

[255-Jacobs]

Does anyone know if 17 is getting a 5th unit in the future as the new hall will have 5 bays? 4 for FD, 1 for EMS. I was thinking either the BB goes into the 4th bay or 17 gets some kind of support unit to fill the bay.

 

[ENGINE_4]

Does anyone know if 17 is getting a 5th unit in the future as the new hall will have 5 bays? 4 for FD, 1 for EMS. I was thinking either the BB goes into the 4th bay or 17 gets some kind of support unit to fill the bay.

I have not seen any structural plans for the building, but from the concept art it was 5 bays wide and 1 bay deep which is pretty interesting.

Here is the current plan.

https://hdp-ca-prod-app-cgy-engage-files.s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/1616/6939/1659/VMSR_-_UDRP_Project_Package_-_REDESIGN_-_21.05.12.pdf

All indications is that it will still be a 5-bay wide station that is 1 bay deep (2 bays are shorter then the other 3, but still consistent with only fitting one truck - 3 for Engine/Ladder/Hazmat, 2 for SUV/Pickup truck/Ambulance (see page 10 of the plan)). There is an "AHS office" in one of the plans. 17 at one time did have an ambulance in it(still could have in the rear bays behind the Hazmat or Ladder), CFD/AHS could make a plan to put a unit or two in the new station

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

I have not seen any structural plans for the building, but from the concept art it was 5 bays wide and 1 bay deep which is pretty interesting.

Here is the current plan.

https://hdp-ca-prod-app-cgy-engage-files.s3.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/1616/6939/1659/VMSR_-_UDRP_Project_Package_-_REDESIGN_-_21.05.12.pdf

All indications is that it will still be a 5-bay wide station that is 1 bay deep (2 bays are shorter then the other 3, but still consistent with only fitting one truck - 3 for Engine/Ladder/Hazmat, 2 for SUV/Pickup truck/Ambulance (see page 10 of the plan)). There is an "AHS office" in one of the plans. 17 at one time did have an ambulance in it(still could have in the rear bays behind the Hazmat or Ladder), CFD/AHS could make a plan to put a unit or two in the new station

There are rumours that the tech teams will switch to 16 and 17 after new 17 opens. (Maybe a HM goes to 10?) Not sure how’d that work, but rumoured that it would be a Engine, TR, TRS, TRT POD and a Ladder. So there is that to wonder on lol

 

[ENGINE_4]

That would be sick. That's like a whole task force right there lol. The pod would probably be sent with the TRS on calls since CFD is going down to a smaller single axel Tech Rescue unit

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

They could even do a Ladder crossed with a BB crossed with a Pod truck. The Pod would be so slow it wouldn’t impact service coverage if the ladder crossed with it

 

[ENGINE_4]

Cross staff everything! Maybe Engines will cross staff BB's in the future and they'll run together on calls? Hopefully some more BB's come into service in the next 2 years too

 

[255-Jacobs]

There are rumours that the tech teams will switch to 16 and 17 after new 17 opens. (Maybe a HM goes to 10?) Not sure how’d that work, but rumoured that it would be a Engine, TR, TRS, TRT POD and a Ladder. So there is that to wonder on lol

Maybe they will move 31 Tower there one day to be part of the tech team that would be nice to see. (A little doubtful it will since 31s current location has easy access to HWY 2, HWY 201 and 27s). You might be on to something about 17HM moving to 10. CFD sure likes keeping speciality units central. And that also leaves 4 available for runs in the East and North if there is ever a call there. Unless CFD decides to keep both teams at 17. It is going to be pretty big once it's finished next year.

 

[ENGINE_4]

I don't know if both teams will be there.. CFD likes to make TEAM stations, so 10 is a full tech station - Engine and Rescue are tech trained and 4/17/39 stations are Hazmat Stations, fully trained and can run a full decon taskforce. Engines/Rescue/A/L/Ladder/Hazmat can all run and work together on hazmat call. both teams in one station is a lot of eggs in one basket :/

I could see 17HM moving up to 21

 

[RP201]

Bush buggies should be cross staffed by engines, and here is why. The engine has a crew of 4, two firefighters jump in the BB, say the captain and one off the back. The engine with AO (apparatus operator) and second firefighter follow the BB to the scene and provide a water source until a Tender arrives. The Engine could also grab a hydrant and lay a supply line to the entry point of the brush incident. This frees up a Ladder, and stays available for structure work.

I also think 16 and 17 as Rescue Task Force stations will service the community much better. Will the new 17 have adequate storage for PODs?
The two additional bays look somewhat shallow for anything larger than an ambulance. Maybe the prime mover and the pods will be at another hall.

They will reassign crews, I doubt the will have rescue and HM under one roof. I expected they will move the resources around. With these new Ladders coming in and eventually replacing Rescues, I am almost certain that the brass and planners are going to rejig the entire city. You can be sure that every hall will have an Engine, beyond that, in the next few years, it’s anyone's guess.

 

[255-Jacobs]

Most likely. It will be interesting to see where the HazMat 17 will go. 21 is a possibility. Cram it into the 3rd bay along with DC4 since it's moving there next year. Or fill DC4's spot at 40 with Tender 21. There is a lot of grassland behind 40 and it has easy access to HWY 201. However I don't think 40 has the call amount to warrant the need for a secondary unit but time will tell what happens in the North. The new 17 Station is certainly going to shake up a few things and will definitely produce some interest results.

Bush buggies should be cross staffed by engines, and here is why. The engine has a crew of 4, two firefighters jump in the BB, say the captain and one off the back. The engine with AO (apparatus operator) and second firefighter follow the BB to the scene and provide a water source until a tender arrives. The engine could also grab a hydrant and lay a supply line to the entry point of the brush incident. This frees up a ladder, and stays available for structure work.

I also think 16 and 17 as rescue task force stations will service the community much better. Will the new 17 have adequate storage for PODs?
The two additional bays look somewhat shallow for anything larger than an ambulance. Maybe the prime mover and the pods will be at another hall.

Perhaps they will just leave the POD out back. It's not exactly a vehicle. And it leave space for whatever support vehicle or EMS unit we might see one day.

 

[ENGINE_4]

I'm sure some here have heard or seen Engine 70, Rescue 70, Hazmat 70 and District 70 (all spares) around the past few days.. I imagine they're being used/in service for the World Petroleum Congress that's been taking place the last few days in the city.

 

[255-Jacobs]

@Calgary_Fire_Filmer Can answer that question for you since he has photos of all of them.

 

[Calgary_Fire_Filmer]

I'm sure some here have heard or seen Engine 70, Rescue 70, Hazmat 70 and District 70 (all spares) around the past few days.. I imagine they're being used/in service for the World Petroleum Congress that's been taking place the last few days in the city.

Ya, so Calgary Fire was running Engine-HazMat 70. This was a 2010 engine that ran a crew of 4, all HazMat trained firefighters. Then HazMat 70 ran two ff's, and was basically a normal HazMat.

Heavy Rescue-Engine 70. 2007 Spare Rescue that ran a crew of 4. Similar to the TR at 10 and 11, but it ran a Captain instead of a Lieutenant.

Then there’s Pod 2 with the TRT Pod, just one singular ff. There’s WPC-DC7-0. So instead of being North/east/core it was WPC. Then it was DC7-0 because it is the 7th DC in service, but part of the 70 Task Force.

Special events unit was called Rapid Response 70, ran a crew of 4 and was designed to be first due unit to any event. They (along with the DC) were staged on the Stampede Grounds. Then the MCI truck was parked at Westwinds with CPS major command area