Cleveland National Forest New Forest Net

[zz0468]

Another interesting listen is to Skylark field, CA89, on 122.9; sky divers and wildfires. Unlike last week the airport and the fire air are discussing operations. 122.85 was also very active with related traffic the past couple of days.

I have been monitoring these and the others mentioned from Canyon Lake, Ca.

Are they REALLY still flying jump drops out of there while the fire is going?

 

[KF6DGN]

I can confirm they are jumping today but the fire air command is also on 122.9 and they are talking and working together. For all the drama check out county supervisor Ken Jeffries Facebook.

 

[Teotwaki]

One of the comms techs (27) is in the northern areas of Cleveland so it is a good chance to monitor for repeater system info.

Jim
Orange County, CA

 

[Teotwaki]

On the CNF LEO P25 channel I've previously heard call signs King and Edward but yesterday and today I've heard a Tom call sign out with the others during patrol and enforcement actions. Maybe "T" for training?

Jim

Orange County, CA

 

[1942LA]

On the CNF LEO P25 channel I've previously heard call signs King and Edward but yesterday and today I've heard a Tom call sign out with the others during patrol and enforcement actions. Maybe "T" for training?

Jim

Orange County, CA

E=Area Patrol Unit
K=K9 Unit
T=Trainee

 

[Teotwaki]

E=Area Patrol Unit
K=K9 Unit
T=Trainee

Thanks! Glad I guessed correctly on the "T" series.The officer I heard was definitely a good one.

For King units I thought they were the local Sheriffs. I don't recall hearing dogs mentioned so I'll pay more attention.

Jim

Orange County, CA

 

[Teotwaki]

E=Area Patrol Unit
K=K9 Unit
T=Trainee

I was in CNF yesterday and got to talk to a Edward unit in person. As we were talking a "T" unit ID'ed on the air and the officer I was talking to verified that was a trainee on a ride-along. Next thing I knew a "K" unit rolled up and had the barking dog in the back area so it was cool to see and hear the 3 call sign types validated!

 

[krazybob]

I was in CNF yesterday and got to talk to a Edward unit in person. As we were talking a "T" unit ID'ed on the air and the officer I was talking to verified that was a trainee on a ride-along. Next thing I knew a "K" unit rolled up and had the barking dog in the back area so it was cool to see and hear the 3 call sign types validated!

That doesn't make sense. A one-man unit identifying himself as a Tom unit made a traffic stop. Trainees don't make traffic stops by themselves. And investigative unit perhaps? I'm not saying it isn't a trainee it just doesn't make sense having been in law enforcement for the trainee would be making a traffic stop by himself. I also heard the radio traffic and he did not sound like a trainee. He sounded like a very well experience law enforcement officer. I guess I'll have to put some feelers out to those that I do know and see what comes back and let somebody here can confirm one way or another. I'm open to suggestion regardless of my comments here.

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[krazybob]

And one more thing, here in the San Bernardino Mountain Forest they have switched over to p25 encrypted for LEOs already.

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[kma371]

That doesn't make sense. A one-man unit identifying himself as a Tom unit made a traffic stop. Trainees don't make traffic stops by themselves. And investigative unit perhaps? I'm not saying it isn't a trainee it just doesn't make sense having been in law enforcement for the trainee would be making a traffic stop by himself. I also heard the radio traffic and he did not sound like a trainee. He sounded like a very well experience law enforcement officer. I guess I'll have to put some feelers out to those that I do know and see what comes back and let somebody here can confirm one way or another. I'm open to suggestion regardless of my comments here.

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Well, he said "trainee on a ride a long" so sounds like two in the vehicle possibly. And, some agencies, trainees are on shadow phase during last part of training where they are solo. Could be that too. That's just my educaated guesses.

 

[allend]

And one more thing, here in the San Bernardino Mountain Forest they have switched over to p25 encrypted for LEOs already.

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Are you referring to SBDCO Sheriffs or USFS LE units?

 

[krazybob]

Well, he said "trainee on a ride a long" so sounds like two in the vehicle possibly. And, some agencies, trainees are on shadow phase during last part of training where they are solo. Could be that too. That's just my educaated guesses.

I'm not sure what you were listening to but he said 12 Tom 6 and I heard nothing at all about a trainee with a Ride Along. A trainee would not have a ride along. Also, they were in the city of Riverside adjacent to the Cleveland. As I recall Cleveland LEO units are 2 Edward. If you were in the San Jac area would be a different story because that's still the San Bernardino National Forest. It wouldn't make sense that a 12 Tom unit would be in the city of Riverside with a trainee in a marked unit making a traffic stop. No, trainees do not go out by themselves for the last 2 months. They are required to pass a one-year probationary. I was just curious. We don't need to beat this to death.

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[krazybob]

Are you referring to SBDCO Sheriffs or USFS LE units?

As I indicated the San Bernardino National Forest has switched over to P25 encrypted for the LEO units. You will hear them on Forest net, Forest admin, and then they're only on net where they will be encrypted. They operate analog on Forest net and Forest admin.

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[Teotwaki]

That doesn't make sense. A one-man unit identifying himself as a Tom unit made a traffic stop. Trainees don't make traffic stops by themselves. And investigative unit perhaps? I'm not saying it isn't a trainee it just doesn't make sense having been in law enforcement for the trainee would be making a traffic stop by himself. I also heard the radio traffic and he did not sound like a trainee. He sounded like a very well experience law enforcement officer. I guess I'll have to put some feelers out to those that I do know and see what comes back and let somebody here can confirm one way or another. I'm open to suggestion regardless of my comments here.

I am not sure how I could have said it more clearly than ".... the officer I was talking to verified that was a trainee on a ride-along" but I can break it down

1. I was in direct face-to-face conversation with the Edward unit, a great source of information BTW.

2. Over the radio we both heard the Tom unit identify and talk to dispatch.

3. I asked the Edward unit if "T" stood for "Trainee"

4. He said yes AND that the Trainee was on a ride-along (meaning ALONG with a regular Edward officer)

5. So the Edward officer in the vehicle observes the Trainee make the radio calls, make the stops, write citations, give warnings, etc.

I hope I did a better job but I thought the term "ride-along" never meant being in a vehicle alone but was understood to specify at least one person riding with one other person. Most times it is a senior officer observing and coaching a junior officer.

Jim
Orange County, CA

 

[Teotwaki]

As I indicated the San Bernardino National Forest has switched over to P25 encrypted for the LEO units. You will hear them on Forest net, Forest admin, and then they're only on net where they will be encrypted. They operate analog on Forest net and Forest admin.

Can you clarify "....and then they're only on net where they will be encrypted"

What "net"?? In Cleveland they have a separate Law Enforcement-only repeater that is analog/P25.

Are you saying SBNF now has it's own USFS LEO-only repeater? What is the frequency pair?

Jim
Orange County, CA

 

[Teotwaki]

A trainee would not have a ride along.

The Trainee was the "ride-along"; the junior person in the team of two but expected to perform while under direct observation by a senior officer.


Jim

 

[krazybob]

Can you clarify "....and then they're only on net where they will be encrypted"

What "net"?? In Cleveland they have a separate Law Enforcement-only repeater that is analog/P25.

Are you saying SBNF now has it's own USFS LEO-only repeater? What is the frequency pair?

Jim
Orange County, CA

I apologize for some of the dropouts to do speech to text.

The San Bernardino National Forest has Forest net, admin net, and yes, a dedicated LEO net. 171.7875 you will occasionally hear them analog on this frequency as well. I have never heard anything but the 12 Edward in the 12 King units but that's not to say it is not used in other areas.


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[Teotwaki]

I apologize for some of the dropouts to do speech to text.

The San Bernardino National Forest has Forest net, admin net, and yes, a dedicated LEO net. 171.7875 you will occasionally hear them analog on this frequency as well. I have never heard anything but the 12 Edward in the 12 King units but that's not to say it is not used in other areas.

Maybe you mistyped?

That is the output frequency of the CNF LEO repeater with RX NAC 40B.
Input is 162.9625 and the P25 NAC access match the CNF Tone/Peak plan with 4CE being Santiago

It is all in earlier posts in this thread.I'd be very interested in SBNF being on the same pairs and tones on repeaters in their forest so I'll listen more carefully.

Jim
Orange County, CA

 

[krazybob]

Maybe you mistyped?

That is the output frequency of the CNF LEO repeater with RX NAC 40B.
Input is 162.9625 and the P25 NAC access match the CNF Tone/Peak plan with 4CE being Santiago

It is all in earlier posts in this thread.I'd be very interested in SBNF being on the same pairs and tones on repeaters in their forest so I'll listen more carefully.

Jim
Orange County, CA

I didn't mistype. 171. 7875 is the R5 Law Enforcement net not just CNF.


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[bb911]

I am not sure how I could have said it more clearly than ".... the officer I was talking to verified that was a trainee on a ride-along" but I can break it down

1. I was in direct face-to-face conversation with the Edward unit, a great source of information BTW.

2. Over the radio we both heard the Tom unit identify and talk to dispatch.

3. I asked the Edward unit if "T" stood for "Trainee"

4. He said yes AND that the Trainee was on a ride-along (meaning ALONG with a regular Edward officer)

5. So the Edward officer in the vehicle observes the Trainee make the radio calls, make the stops, write citations, give warnings, etc.

I hope I did a better job but I thought the term "ride-along" never meant being in a vehicle alone but was understood to specify at least one person riding with one other person. Most times it is a senior officer observing and coaching a junior officer.

Jim
Orange County, CA

I couldn't agree more. Along = along. Trainee wouldn't be alone. Gentleman "misread" your post.