gus426
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So far today steady scanning on the Shoreline tower.. No freqs. have had to be added or deleted....still not sure of the correct LCN...I"m sure its just a matter of time...
Gus
Gus
Corpus Christi Area
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LarryN
South Texas DB Admin
I have 16 blank and 854.3875 in 10. Mine appears to be working fine. I scan mostly fire only. RTFC has had a few medical calls this AM. CCFD has been slow with only a few calls. When I go to open mode I am picking up the PD/SO/Busses no probblem. This is why I am waiting on updating the DB. Can anyone explain what is going on?
gus426
Member
Larry, don't they usually add frequencies as the system gets busy do you think that could have anything to do with the addition of another freq. I know they added a couple a few years back. I'm in closed mode scanning CCPD and CCFD I did hear the RTFC calls you refereed to...
Gus
Gus
LarryN
South Texas DB Admin
Now I am not getting a control channel on the Shoreline tower???
FB is fine.
FB is fine.
gus426
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Control channel is now 854.1125 on SHoreline i have it in my scanner in #16 and it switched just fine....Robstown control channel is now 857.0875..
Gus
Gus
LarryN
South Texas DB Admin
Thanks Gus. I am back up and running. What channel is the control for Robstown?
gus426
Member
I have 857.0875 for Robstown now...2nd day in row for this control channel on Robstown..
texasemt13
CenTex DBA
Gus and Larry,
This system seems to be changing a lot as they get things ironed out. As transitions around here have happened, the CCs seemed to change pretty regularly but most of the time the LCN order doesn't change (only adding LCNs to the end is what I've noticed as Gus suggested this morning). That's one nice thing about the LPE200 that davidbond21 made me purchase- it will automatically scan for the correct CC (assuming you've programmed it in there) once the CC has been changed. One good explanation of why the radios need to be re-programmed (on the EDACS side) is to add LCNs or change a CC setting (these LPEs allow you to choose where to search for the CC within the LCNs- first 5 LCNs; first 10 LCNs; first 15 LCNs). If the setting is selected as "first 15 LCNs" (a good choice, thanks david) they should be good (this is almost a catch-all setting). My guess is that they were adding LCNs during the reprogramming.
Could one of y'all (actually could both of y'all) please list the LCNs as you have them in your scanners, since ya'll seem to have the LCNs in different orders (if I'm reading correctly)?
This system seems to be changing a lot as they get things ironed out. As transitions around here have happened, the CCs seemed to change pretty regularly but most of the time the LCN order doesn't change (only adding LCNs to the end is what I've noticed as Gus suggested this morning). That's one nice thing about the LPE200 that davidbond21 made me purchase- it will automatically scan for the correct CC (assuming you've programmed it in there) once the CC has been changed. One good explanation of why the radios need to be re-programmed (on the EDACS side) is to add LCNs or change a CC setting (these LPEs allow you to choose where to search for the CC within the LCNs- first 5 LCNs; first 10 LCNs; first 15 LCNs). If the setting is selected as "first 15 LCNs" (a good choice, thanks david) they should be good (this is almost a catch-all setting). My guess is that they were adding LCNs during the reprogramming.
Could one of y'all (actually could both of y'all) please list the LCNs as you have them in your scanners, since ya'll seem to have the LCNs in different orders (if I'm reading correctly)?
gus426
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Texasemt13, thanks for your info. This is what I have in my scanner for Shoreline 1-856.4375 2-856.9375 3-857.4375 4-857.9375 5-858.4375 6-858.9375 7-859.4375 8-859.9375 9-860.4375 10-860.9375 11-854.9625 12-855.212513-855.4625 14-858.7625 15-859.7625 16-854.1125 do you have access to LPE programming? The only thing I have been changing is the control channel at #16 but so far today I haven't had to change it on either site. My LCN order is basically what's here in the DB with the addition of freq. #16 and it SEEMS to be working for me.. I have 4 scanners waiting for the official change..lol
Gus
Gus
gus426
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The only freq I have changed is the addition #16 on the Violet/Robstown site the rest are the same as in the DB right now it is the CC #16 857.0875
Gus
Gus
davidbond21
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Scanners are no different. You don't set where the control channel is in the LCN lineup; you simply enter all the frequencies in the radio and scanner, and both just scan all the channels until it finds the CC, at which point it gets to work trunking.
The control channel might be changing LCNs, but the frequencies are largely set in stone. You can even put all the frequencies in completely wrong LCN slots, and the radio and scanner will still pick up the control channel(because it scans all the channels automatically to find a CC) and go to work trunking, though it will be completely screwed up and will not follow the conversations correctly, if at all. Example: Say you swapped the frequencies in LCN 1 and LCN 10. Basically, when the control channel sends out info that a group call is being made on LCN 1, your radio/scanner tunes to the frequency in slot 1. Except in our example this is actually the frequency of LCN 10, which means that if there is no activity on the proper LCN 10 at the time the scanner/radio will be silent; or if that voice channel is being used by another talkgroup at the time, you'll hear that traffic.
Don't get hung up on the CC position because this is virtual and can change as many times as needed. The concern needs to be 1)finding the frequencies used and 2)finding the correct LCN order of these frequencies. CC finding and following is done automatically on both public safety radios and consumer grade scanners. Put all the frequencies in the correct order and the equipment does the rest.
More shinanigans
Ok, you guys are all much smarter than me, so I thought I'd post this for you to ponder...
I was driving to work just now (12:50pm) and listening to Shoreline tower and heard a dispatcher send units to an accident at the Bill Miller's on Ayers.
Then I switched to the Ingleside tower on the San Pat County EDACS system, and after a few moments, I heard the same dispatcher talking to a medic about the accident at Bill Miller's, and the talkgroup ID wasn't marked (I have almost all San Pat talkgroups saved in scanner).
I'm pretty sure the frequency was 851.15000, which is not currently listed for any of the Corpus towers.
Anyone want to speculate on this one?
Ok, you guys are all much smarter than me, so I thought I'd post this for you to ponder...
I was driving to work just now (12:50pm) and listening to Shoreline tower and heard a dispatcher send units to an accident at the Bill Miller's on Ayers.
Then I switched to the Ingleside tower on the San Pat County EDACS system, and after a few moments, I heard the same dispatcher talking to a medic about the accident at Bill Miller's, and the talkgroup ID wasn't marked (I have almost all San Pat talkgroups saved in scanner).
I'm pretty sure the frequency was 851.15000, which is not currently listed for any of the Corpus towers.
Anyone want to speculate on this one?
gus426
Member
Bart the talk was to make them all Kleberg, Nueces and San Patricio ONE big interlinked communication system like Starnet in the Houston area I know Portland Tx PD is on our TRS on talkgroup15-141 i think it is. also I hear their Fire/Medic calls also.I hope we can get some answers soon another thing is that i heard a San Pat. SO officer talk in on our Patrol 1 about a week ago..
LarryN
South Texas DB Admin
My scanner is programmed the same now as Gus'.
I will updat the DB now with the 2 new freqs.
I will updat the DB now with the 2 new freqs.
texasemt13
CenTex DBA
bbed,
I'd say Gus hit it on the head when he said that the systems are now linked. That is the direction they intended to go as outlined in some CBCOG documents. Unitrunker should confirm some "Peers," if someone could look at that. It should say which sites are "sisters" to the one being monitored. If multiple sites could be run on Unitrunker it could show how many total are on the system.
I'd say Gus hit it on the head when he said that the systems are now linked. That is the direction they intended to go as outlined in some CBCOG documents. Unitrunker should confirm some "Peers," if someone could look at that. It should say which sites are "sisters" to the one being monitored. If multiple sites could be run on Unitrunker it could show how many total are on the system.
Corpus Shoreline System
Hey guys,
I have been watching the Shoreline System when I can using the UniTrunker. What I have noticed is that they have replaced the LCN 9 and LCN 10 with 854.1125 and 854.3875 respectively.
This is what I am seeing happening with the Corpus Shoreline System the last few days watching it with UniTrunker.
The CC at times switched between LCN 1 and 2. When this happens LCN 9 and 10 dissapear from the LCN listing on UniTrunker. I have listened to LCN 9 and 10 using another radio and there is no voice or data traffic over these channels when the CC is on LCN 1 or 2.
When the CC switches to LCN 9 or 10, then LCN 9 or 10, whichever is not the CC then receive voice traffic. When LCN 9 and 10 are the CC you also get voice traffic over LCN 1 and 2.
So to boil it all down. It seems that the LCN 9 and 10 (with the 860 frequencies listed in the database) have been replaced by the two new (854.- - - -) frequencies as listed above.
In summary, so far the LCN of the system listed in the database has stayed the same with the changes being LCN 9 and 10 with 854.1125 in LCN 9 and 854.3875 in LCN 10.
Note: I have been listening to 860.4375 and 860.9375 and they seem to be dead.
At least this is what I am seeing using the UniTrunker program.
Hope this all makes since.
Anyone else seeing this?
David
Hey guys,
I have been watching the Shoreline System when I can using the UniTrunker. What I have noticed is that they have replaced the LCN 9 and LCN 10 with 854.1125 and 854.3875 respectively.
This is what I am seeing happening with the Corpus Shoreline System the last few days watching it with UniTrunker.
The CC at times switched between LCN 1 and 2. When this happens LCN 9 and 10 dissapear from the LCN listing on UniTrunker. I have listened to LCN 9 and 10 using another radio and there is no voice or data traffic over these channels when the CC is on LCN 1 or 2.
When the CC switches to LCN 9 or 10, then LCN 9 or 10, whichever is not the CC then receive voice traffic. When LCN 9 and 10 are the CC you also get voice traffic over LCN 1 and 2.
So to boil it all down. It seems that the LCN 9 and 10 (with the 860 frequencies listed in the database) have been replaced by the two new (854.- - - -) frequencies as listed above.
In summary, so far the LCN of the system listed in the database has stayed the same with the changes being LCN 9 and 10 with 854.1125 in LCN 9 and 854.3875 in LCN 10.
Note: I have been listening to 860.4375 and 860.9375 and they seem to be dead.
At least this is what I am seeing using the UniTrunker program.
Hope this all makes since.
Anyone else seeing this?
David
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LarryN
South Texas DB Admin
Today's Control Channel is:
854.3875 at LCN 10
I have 860.4375 at LCN 9 and I am picking up Shorline fine in my office.
854.3875 at LCN 10
I have 860.4375 at LCN 9 and I am picking up Shorline fine in my office.
gus426
Member
here we go again....im going to try tejedors list today..thanks
texasemt13
CenTex DBA
Sounds like you guys are keeping good tabs on the changes and seem to be able to resolve each others issues well. It's nice having a hobbyist community like this. I hope, for y'all's sake they get it figured out soon...
gus426
Member
im working on an official list from dailey wells...here in cc have a friend working that... running the list that tejedor posted is getting more traffic than my list was just 20 minutes ago....
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