Dare County 800 system....

[rescue674aa]

dare????

does anyone know whats going on with dare are they using anything on viper or just on there system even forestry guys
im getting mu scanner programmed and wanted to know asap i heard they are using viper for backup and when are they rebanding

 

[richardbritt]

Yep, click here:

Dare County Public Safety System Trunking System, Manteo, North Carolina - Scanner Frequencies

This one is replacing the other 2 systems and legacy systems (conventional). Dare is not routinely using VIPER but has it in all their radios. VIPER rebanding is up in the air so I hear.

 

[jeffmulter]

Dare is not routinely using VIPER but has it in all their radios. VIPER rebanding is up in the air so I hear.

Some of the county's radios, particularly some handhelds, do not have Viper programmed in them at this time.

My understanding is that the state may be running out of radio I-Ds for the present Viper system, and any radio programmed on the system must have an I-D.

 

[basstuba]

Viper talk group 44992 picked up today 6-9-11 on the time warner site. did not have a chance to hear road names or if this was a prison transport.

 

[ocguard]

Some of the county's radios, particularly some handhelds, do not have Viper programmed in them at this time.

My understanding is that the state may be running out of radio I-Ds for the present Viper system, and any radio programmed on the system must have an I-D.

Wow, I guess that's not really too hard to believe with the limited capacity of Type II systems (less that 100,000 IDs). I guess it's unlikely that VIPER will upgrade to true P25 (96bps) anytime soon with the number of radios they would have to replace. It's sad that the current VIPER system is still being built out and finalized while the infrastructure has already become COMPLETELY obsolete.

 

[ts548]

Wow, I guess that's not really too hard to believe with the limited capacity of Type II systems (less that 100,000 IDs). I guess it's unlikely that VIPER will upgrade to true P25 (96bps) anytime soon with the number of radios they would have to replace. It's sad that the current VIPER system is still being built out and finalized while the infrastructure has already become COMPLETELY obsolete.

VIPER is in the process of moving to P25. My understanding all 4 controllers are upgraded to P25, and wake county will start testing P25 very soon. Then it will move out through the state.

 

[KE4ZNR]

VIPER is in the process of moving to P25. My understanding all 4 controllers are upgraded to P25, and wake county will start testing P25 very soon. Then it will move out through the state.

The above is correct. In fact, there has been a 9600bps low power P25 "testing" site online at the NCSHP Training facility near Garner. Still some hurdles to clear but the "wheels" are in motion to make the upgrade.

Marshall KE4ZNR

 

[RMPDCOP]

This may have been addressed already, if so please excuse. I have been hearing simulcasting on the DARE SO VIPER Talk Group 44992. Did not know if any of you guys have picked it up also and know what the reasoning is. Maybe its to keep everyone that is on VIPER in the loop. Just curious.

 

[basstuba]

This may have been addressed already, if so please excuse. I have been hearing simulcasting on the DARE SO VIPER Talk Group 44992. Did not know if any of you guys have picked it up also and know what the reasoning is. Maybe its to keep everyone that is on VIPER in the loop. Just curious.

Look at post #144 picked up in Fayetteville Nc

 

[nwalshjr]

I just spent two (2) weeks in Avon. Dare County was only broadcasting on P25 there. The Viper site (Buxton) was not rebroadcasting anything for Dare County. I picked up some SHP and Marine Fisheries on the Buxton site. When we left on Saturday driving north and then west through Manteo, I picked up Dare County traffic on various Viper sites.

 

[murrayustud]

We also just returned from Kill Devil Hills..while there we were able to monitor the new 800mhz system but only in and around Kill Devil Hills, anywhere south of there and it just tuned into garble. The KDH lifeguards were still on UHF. Paging was loud & clear on 155.7375 even on my minitor 3 & Maxtrac. I did notice a lot of encryption on law enforcement frequencies and also caught EMS to Outer Banks Medical center on 57920 which I think was on Viper. Currituck EMS/Fire & Corolla Lifeguards were still on VHF. Headed back first week of August with a new scanner (BCD996T) & see how it handles the new Dare County system as my Pro-96 did great but my Pro-2096 did quite poorly not sure why as they are almost the same radios?

 

[ocguard]

... as my Pro-96 did great but my Pro-2096 did quite poorly not sure why as they are almost the same radios?

I have been upgrading programming in many co-workers' and friends' Pro-96 and Pro-2096 radios in Baltimore, as we switched from a Smartzone to a P25 system. At times, I've had literally a half dozen of these scanners on the table in front of me upgrading the settings. As I test the (from the exact same location), some handle the new P25 system beautifully, and some get nothing but digital garble. This is within line of sight of a transmitter tower site. I even make sure each radio has upgraded firmware while I have it in my possession. My only theory is that these radios' electronics (particularly the 800mhz diode) fail or degrade.

Either way, I'll be giving the Dare system a shot with both Pro-106 and Pro-96 radios in August.

 

[KX4KDH]

This may have been addressed already, if so please excuse. I have been hearing simulcasting on the DARE SO VIPER Talk Group 44992. Did not know if any of you guys have picked it up also and know what the reasoning is. Maybe its to keep everyone that is on VIPER in the loop. Just curious.

I have picked it up, too... I am sure your "loop" theory is right on track.... Thus eliminating SHP from needing "county specific" radios, along with the rest of their gear.

 

[jeffmulter]

>> I guess it's unlikely that VIPER will upgrade to true P25 (96bps) anytime soon with the number of radios they would have to replace. It's sad that the current VIPER system is still being built out and finalized while the infrastructure has already become COMPLETELY obsolete.

Since the Viper system administrators began requiring all Viper radios to be either P25 ready or compatible four years ago, there are probably few radios on the system that are neither. And, the user would bare the cost for the radio replacement or modifications, not the system administrators.

As others have pointed out, the admins have already started the upgrade to P25 trunking. It has been reported in the Wave Guide newsletter that the completion is still a couple of years down the road, which isn't surprising considering the budgeting issues facing N.C. state and local governments.

>> I have been hearing simulcasting on the DARE SO VIPER Talk Group 44992. Did not know if any of you guys have picked it up also and know what the reasoning is. Maybe its to keep everyone that is on VIPER in the loop.

Or atleast everyone who has that talkgroup programmed in their radio, which should include resident troopers in the district, and NPS rangers assigned to the Dare Co park facilities.

I have heard that Dare Med Flight, when airborne, is or was only operating on Viper because of some technical issues. If the sheriffs office telecommunicators act as the flightwatch for the aircraft, the patch would also allow the crew to communicate with both hospitals and the sheriffs office without bouncing between radio systems.

>> Headed back first week of August with a new scanner (BCD996T) & see how it handles the new Dare County system as my Pro-96 did great but my Pro-2096 did quite poorly not sure why as they are almost the same radios?

Almost. The 96 had 1 firmware upgrade, and a couple of software upgrades, that were not available for the 2096. Comments I've read over the years make me believe the 2096 is a less-sensitive receiver than its counterpart. G&G, the scanner and pager repair folks, have this comment for why they do not handle 2096 repairs ... "design flaws and reliability."

Even the Pro 96 will have issues with any P25 system that is simulcasting on multiple sites using the same frequencies ... which is what the Dare County trunked system is.

 

[murrayustud]

Jeff, what's your opinion of the Uniden BCD996T & BCD-996XT scanners for monitoring the Dare County system? Or the new Radio Shacks?

 

[tglendye]

I am currently staying in Duck. I have been listening some w/ a PSR-500 while inside and a Pro-197 while mobile and have noticed a lot of what has been reported here. The mobile is kind of a make-shift for the trip and the display is not angled the best. It seems the 197 tracks and decodes the Dare system better than the 500. I don't know if it is because of the antenna mounted on the roof, or slight differences in the radio.

There has been lots of Dare activity on VIPER. It's kind of hard while mobile to know which system I am listening to. On my 500, I have noticed I the Dare system can sound real good, but I move the radio a few inches and I seem to lose everything- even though the signal from the CC is strong.

I have really been impressed w/ the VIPER system and how it is set up to interop between state and local. Lots of traffic from the Dare system that I had been unable to pick up has also been put across VIPER TG's.

 

[rescue674aa]

Dare

What are all the talkgroups active on viper that everyone hears radio traffic on

 

[tglendye]

What are all the talkgroups active on viper that everyone hears radio traffic on

The Dare TG's I am hearing are mainly DCSO, Beach Disp 1and I believe Dare EMS. Sorry- I don't have the TG numbers. I have the hit count enabled in the scanner and plan to take a look after I return home.

One other thing to mention is I have noticed while scanning both the VIPER and Dare TRS, the Dare system seems to be passed by quickly on my 500 (don't know about the 197). The other TRS's I have monitored in the past are closer to a second per pass while the scanner looks at the CC. Sometimes the 500 appears normal while scanning both VIPER and Dare TRS and sometimes it scans Dare in a "split" second, goes to VIPER for the normal swipe and back to Dare for another split second. The decode rate for the system is in the high 90%. I don't know technically what it means, but I assume that is the result from the multi-site system on the same CC and is a little too much for the scanner.

I am also experiencing most of the Dare County traffic coming from VIPER.

 

[mhodgson]

VIPER in Dare

Since there appears to be some confusion.....

VIPER Dare SO Dispatch is patched at the console level to Dare 800 SO Dispatch

VIPER Beach Law Dispatch is patched at the console level to Dare 800 Beach Law 1

VIPER Dare EMS Dispatch is patched at the console level to Dare 800 EMS Something...


Mike

 

[tglendye]

I traveled from Duck to Nags Head last night. The 197 seems like it tracks and decodes the Dare TRS close to perfect. I am not sure if it is the difference in the scanner or the fact I have mounted an antenna on the roof top. Much different than the PSR-500.