Duke Energy P25 System

mtindor

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Finally got a chance to update DSD+....

From the Dicks Creek site in Monroe....

Getting a NL with 17.17 - CC - 856.8625
and the 56.56 neighbor as well ( 56.56 - CC - 855.3375 )...

Seeing this after I posted - 855.3375 is on license WRJM686 for location #7 ( Valley View Office - Northbend Road - Cincinnati)....

Hi Dave,

The DB has peers of 10, 17 and 26 for the Dicks Creek site. Are you saying that 56 needs to be added a peer for Dicks Creek?

Sites not confirmed active by direct monitoring are listed in the wiki with the "needs confirmed" tag.


Thanks!

Mike
 

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all, i did some cleanup on the Geo-location of the known/suspected Florida sites. Callsigns and locations have been taken from the PDF build-out file in this thread mixed with some FCC data, then converted to decimal for the database. For instance, the prior listing for "Orlando" isn't really Orlando - it's the Duke facility in Wildwood. So that site was changed.

CAVEAT EMPTOR: This system is still in it's infancy - nothing posted yet is written in stone, so if you think something may not be quite right (based on data!) please submit via the database submission tool (!!!!!)


doug
 

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The DB has peers of 10, 17 and 26 for the Dicks Creek site. Are you saying that 56 needs to be added a peer for Dicks Creek?

Can confirm Dick's Creek advertises 56 as a peer.

Also confirmed site 56 online. Submitted to database.


Sites heard today:
Code:
Network: 91F14.201

  Bandplan #0:   Base=851.0125    Offset=-45     Spacing=12.5  BW=12.5
  Bandplan #8:   Base=851.0125    Offset=-45     Spacing=12.5  BW=12.5  Slots=2

    Site: 10.10  NAC=00A

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-6.6
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-22.22
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-24.24
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-26.26
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-56.56
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-67.67

    Channel 8-1288:   859.0625-1   CC
    Channel 8-1360:   859.5125-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1584:   860.9125-1       SCC

    Site: 22.22  NAC=016

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-1.1
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-6.6
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-10.10
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-52.52
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-56.56
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-63.63

    Channel 8-924:    856.7875-1   CC
    Channel 8-1092:   857.8375-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1336:   859.3625-1       SCC

    Site: 24.24  NAC=018

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-10.10
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-17.17
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-26.26
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-56.56

    Channel 8-648:    855.0625-1   CC
    Channel 8-764:    855.7875-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1496:   860.3625-1       SCC

    Site: 56.56  NAC=038

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-1.1
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-10.10
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-22.22
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-24.24
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-26.26
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-30.30

    Channel 8-692:    855.3375-1   CC
    Channel 8-860:    856.3875-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1208:   858.5625-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1328:   859.3125-1       SCC
 

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Can confirm Dick's Creek advertises 56 as a peer.

Also confirmed site 56 online. Submitted to database.


Sites heard today:
Code:
Network: 91F14.201

  Bandplan #0:   Base=851.0125    Offset=-45     Spacing=12.5  BW=12.5
  Bandplan #8:   Base=851.0125    Offset=-45     Spacing=12.5  BW=12.5  Slots=2

    Site: 10.10  NAC=00A

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-6.6
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-22.22
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-24.24
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-26.26
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-56.56
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-67.67

    Channel 8-1288:   859.0625-1   CC
    Channel 8-1360:   859.5125-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1584:   860.9125-1       SCC

    Site: 22.22  NAC=016

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-1.1
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-6.6
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-10.10
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-52.52
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-56.56
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-63.63

    Channel 8-924:    856.7875-1   CC
    Channel 8-1092:   857.8375-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1336:   859.3625-1       SCC

    Site: 24.24  NAC=018

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-10.10
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-17.17
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-26.26
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-56.56

    Channel 8-648:    855.0625-1   CC
    Channel 8-764:    855.7875-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1496:   860.3625-1       SCC

    Site: 56.56  NAC=038

    Neighbor: 91F14.201-1.1
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-10.10
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-22.22
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-24.24
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-26.26
    Neighbor: 91F14.201-30.30

    Channel 8-692:    855.3375-1   CC
    Channel 8-860:    856.3875-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1208:   858.5625-1       SCC
    Channel 8-1328:   859.3125-1       SCC

Thumbs up man! Your file also contained some peer information for one of the sites which we didn't have before. And the peer list for Site 10 included a peer of 67.67 (855.1375) -- which is Mt Orab in Brown Co.

Thanks!
 

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So, my laptop is currently DED dead, has anyone tried to run a CC on an SDS series to see if it gives any data or am I just wasting energy?
 

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I'm not sure why I just thought about this but I should be saying that none of the Uniden brand scanners will work.

I have not tested a Whistler brand scanner so I can't say for sure that they do not work but my guess would be that they also do not.
 

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probably an unpopular opinion:

with essentially only two 2 systems using TDMA control channels..... i don't expect uniden to be front burner with a firmware mod for this.

....and REALLY unpopular opinion: i don't expect whistler to ever release a TDMA CC firmware update.

this could change with some XYZ big public safety agency going TDMA CC..... but if i were a betting man my bets would all be that the future is LTE.... not some new iteration of a P25 trunk.

TDMA CC system = good salespeople.

flame away.

doug
 

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probably an unpopular opinion:

with essentially only two 2 systems using TDMA control channels..... i don't expect uniden to be front burner with a firmware mod for this.

....and REALLY unpopular opinion: i don't expect whistler to ever release a TDMA CC firmware update.

this could change with some XYZ big public safety agency going TDMA CC..... but if i were a betting man my bets would all be that the future is LTE.... not some new iteration of a P25 trunk.

TDMA CC system = good salespeople.

flame away.

doug
Not to take us off topic but I tend to agree with what you're saying. From what I have heard it's not too difficult to update firmware to support this though.

I'm actually a little surprised the scanners will not allow you to monitor a TDMA P25 frequency in conventional and or search mode.
 

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TDMA CC system = good salespeople.
There are quite a number of agencies already on P25 trunking that can benefit from TDMA control channels. Think about the small system that only has 2 frequencies licensed, they gain an additional voice slot and go from either 2 to 3 if already TDMA, or 1 to 3 if currently FDMA. That is not insignificant. Also consider the really large simulcast cells that need more capacity. By using both slots of the control channel for signaling, it allows them to nearly double the amount of repeaters in the cell. Current FDMA control channels limit the amount of traffic channels at a site because they can only push through so much signaling per second, and so TDMA signaling makes an appreciable difference.

Don't be too quick to poo poo the whole idea of TDMA control channels being smoke and mirrors or nothing more than a way for salespeople to line their pockets. It's very easy to be cynical when it comes to this sort of stuff, but there is real value in these advancements. Especially when DMR already offers TDMA control channels. You can argue about P25 being way too pricey to begin with, especially as compared to DMR...but that ship sailed decades ago. The reality is that there are a ton of agencies on P25 trunking, and for some of them, these sorts of advancements are important to them.

Oh and LTE replacing LMR is a very long way off. It's simply not ready for prime time. Anyone who has used FirstNet knows that it's not all it's cracked up to be. Besides, who the hell really wants to put all of their eggs in one basket that they have absolutely no control over, and is controlled by a for-profit corporation vs the agency or county or state government? No thanks!
 

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Has anyone able to decode the site(s) on the uniden sds 1/200? I see this under Sys Info A capital T with a yellowish background next to a site name indicates that the site is using a TDMA control channel. This site will not be able to be tracked by any scanner until a firmware update is provided. DSD+ (Fastlane), OP25, and (when updated) Unitrunker will provide rudimentary control channel data.
 

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854.5125 has gone off the air, but finding more other frequencies and lots of neighbors here in the Tampa area. For some reason, the voice freaks don't populate. But boy is this system is sweeping the nation!

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854.5125 has gone off the air, but finding more other frequencies and lots of neighbors here in the Tampa area. For some reason, the voice freaks don't populate. But boy is this system is sweeping the nation!

View attachment 107278

What you really want to do is post your 2D7-specific data from your DSDPlus.P25data file (a text file in your DSDPlus folder). You were monitoring multiple sites there, and nobody can know what control channels you were listening to when you monitored each. Sure, some CCs show up in the channel activity window, but one cannot be sure which site you were monitoring when they popped up. The DSDPlus.P252data for 91F14.2D7 is a whole stanza that you could copy and paste and/or submit to the database. That would be ideal.

Mike
 
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