Everything NYPD encryption.

[KevinC]

@KevinC maybe it's time to rethink having this thread stay open.

Silly me. I was thinking people could act like adults and not babies....I guess I was wrong.

But....I close it and people get mad.....I leave it open and people get mad....what's a girl to do?

How about this, if you don't like what is being posted in this thread just don't view it or participate in it? Or put people on ignore?

And one more thing, how about people stop posting the same thing over and over and over?

 

[medic9351301]

I have not once tried to control you or tell you what to do .
all i have done is replied to what you have said with valid questions and documented facts.
As well as others on here.

 

[bravo14]

Last week I saw a article in the NY Post about NYPD Encrypting the radios by end of next year. I don't know if anyone else saw that.

 

[richee2000]

I have not once tried to control you or tell you what to do .
all i have done is replied to what you have said with valid questions and documented facts.
As well as others on here.

Enough! If you don't like what you see stop commenting! And stop tagging me. You've now got the attention of the super super moderator.... Look at his post and take his suggestions. I've had enough of this and I've had enough of your telling me what to do . Do I have to block you to stop this nonsense?

We've both got our point across multiple times. There is no need to keep repeating everything.

Give it a rest.

 

[medic9351301]

As a lawyer and a scanner buff i have been watching this and every post about encryption. This is my take on it.
As mmckenna stated with the califorina bill that was not passed based off fedreal rules.
" there are so many loopholes that it's never going to accomplish what it is trying to" "federal rules regarding the handling of CJI/PII, and a state cannot just decide to ignore those".As of right now there are no fedreal rules that mandate encryption. It is left up to each agency to make that call. True a law suit can be filled but you have to realize that federal law trumps(no Pun intended) state and local law. and yes you can appeal to high court but again it goes back to federal law. I dont recall ever seeing a lawsuit that was filed won of "that the public has a right to listen". People can say its a violation of the 1st Amendment . No because congress has not made it a law to be able to listen to police communications.

The only law i and many others have found is in the ecpa that states its not lawfull to listen to encrypted communications. Just because the public wants something and files a lawsuit does not mean its going to happen. So nypd has 2 choices regarding a feed either do it or dont do it.

Now as for Richee and his aurgements :
yes he is right that a lawsuit can be filled and appealed. But he his aurgument is that because it worked in chicago and its going to work in new york is not correct. And just because a deputy chief wants it to happen does not mean it will .
Another thihg to look at is it feasible for them to put up a feed. with as many channels they have is it worth it ? are they willing to take x number of radios and use them for streaming, what channels do use. a logistical nightmare. Now for the media who gets it and what do they get . If you look at past history access has been given when they purchase a department issued radio or a app like motorola wave or tango tango . some departments have went as far as having them sign legal documents that say the radio or app is not to leave the news desk. Nothing for news stringers.

Richee , You have to take what u say with a grain of salt. you do have a lot of facts that make vaild points. And others have facts that are also valid. No one wants encryption by anymeans. You have stated that people are trying to control you or force you to accpect the fact that it might not happen. I dont see that at all . All they are telling you that it might not happen . if i you think i am calling you out i am not.
Just tring to get you to understand what might happen .

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[medic9351301]

I just dont understand why you cant understand what i am saying Richee.
No one is trying to control u or tell you what to do sir.

 

[medic9351301]

I want to post this from my pvt messages . i did not write these comments the poster told me he tried to post it and its waiting on a mod to approve it.
From Davidecomm new menber:
As a lawyer and a scanner buff i have been watching this and every post about encryption. This is my take on it.
As mmckenna stated with the califorina bill that was not passed based off fedreal rules.
" there are so many loopholes that it's never going to accomplish what it is trying to" "federal rules regarding the handling of CJI/PII, and a state cannot just decide to ignore those".As of right now there are no fedreal rules that mandate encryption. It is left up to each agency to make that call. True a law suit can be filled but you have to realize that federal law trumps(no Pun intended) state and local law. and yes you can appeal to high court but again it goes back to federal law. I dont recall ever seeing a lawsuit that was filed won of "that the public has a right to listen". People can say its a violation of the 1st Amendment . No because congress has not made it a law to be able to listen to police communications.

The only law i and many others have found is in the ecpa that states its not lawfull to listen to encrypted communications. Just because the public wants something and files a lawsuit does not mean its going to happen. So nypd has 2 choices regarding a feed either do it or dont do it.

Now as for Richee and his aurgements :
yes he is right that a lawsuit can be filled and appealed. But he his aurgument is that because it worked in chicago and its going to work in new york is not correct. And just because a deputy chief wants it to happen does not mean it will .
Another thihg to look at is it feasible for them to put up a feed. with as many channels they have is it worth it ? are they willing to take x number of radios and use them for streaming, what channels do use. a logistical nightmare. Now for the media who gets it and what do they get . If you look at past history access has been given when they purchase a department issued radio or a app like motorola wave or tango tango . some departments have went as far as having them sign legal documents that say the radio or app is not to leave the news desk. Nothing for news stringers.

Richee , You have to take what u say with a grain of salt. you do have a lot of facts that make vaild points. And others have facts that are also valid. No one wants encryption by anymeans. You have stated that people are trying to control you or force you to accpect the fact that it might not happen. I dont see that at all . All they are telling you that it might not happen . if i you think i am calling you out i am not.
Just tring to get you to understand what might happen .

 

[richee2000]

I just dont understand why you cant understand what i am saying Richee.
No one is trying to control u or tell you what to do sir.

What is it? You need to have the last word with more nonsense? Are you a teacher? You need everyone to agree with you? Not going to happen. Give it a rest. Knock it off. And quit tagging me with your nonsense.

You have given your opinion multiple times.

I have given my opinion multiple times.

Everybody here is getting sick and tired of it.

Enough!!!!!!

 

[medic9351301]

who is bashing who now sir. i once did not offened you in the previous post i just asked you why u cant understand what i am trying to say. your about to make me say something that should have been said to you a long time ago .

 

[richee2000]

Waiting for your apology for calling me a sad sad little man, waiting for your apology for calling me stupid, waiting for your apology for calling me an inbred (but you spelled it inbread)

Until then I'm not interested in hearing anything else out of you with all of your nonsense

 

[medic9351301]

if i am blocked for saying this oh well its been a fun time here.
Richie ever since it came out that nypd is encp you have been on here crying like a baby spewing facts and demanding a feed with a delay.
Stating that everyone should have access to it. Grow up and stop acting like a baby. Face the facts . even others have said your crying and acting like a baby because of it. You dont see others on here demanding or crying like a baby. Have you ever stoped to think that nypd might be watching this thread? NYPD made a decsion on something that u dont like and u cant accpect it. For this reason i hope nypd does not give access to a feed.

 

[mmckenna]

I want to post this from my pvt messages . i did not write these comments the poster told me he tried to post it and its waiting on a mod to approve it.
From Davidecomm new menber:

" there are so many loopholes that it's never going to accomplish what it is trying to" "federal rules regarding the handling of CJI/PII, and a state cannot just decide to ignore those".As of right now there are no fedreal rules that mandate encryption.

This is true and hopefully I didn't give the idea there was.
What there IS are federal rules that require protecting CJI/PII at -all-times- and in -all-modes- when handling any information that is sourced or transits federal systems. This is not optional and cannot be waived by state/local laws. States are slowly catching up with this. Not sure how the Chicago way of doing things is going to get around this.

are they willing to take x number of radios and use them for streaming, what channels do use. a logistical nightmare.

Not the way it would likely happen.
Some newer logging recorder systems used in dispatch centers will permit streaming with delay from the systems themselves. They also have a dispatcher interface that allows them to easily stop streaming. Still, relies on a human being to remember to enable/disable streaming, so not a perfect solution.

 

[richee2000]

who is bashing who now sir. i once did not offened you in the previous post i just asked you why u cant understand what i am trying to say. your about to make me say something that should have been said to you a long time ago .

I don't take any direction from you. I'm not interested in your misguided education. I couldn't care less what your opinion is of me. But I can tell you people on here are getting sick and tired of this back and forth BS. I tried to end it but you continue to tag me with your nonsense.

 

[medic9351301]

i am done talking to u about this
i can have a better conversation with a brick wall

 

[richee2000]

if i am blocked for saying this oh well its been a fun time here.
Richie ever since it came out that nypd is encp you have been on here crying like a baby spewing facts and demanding a feed with a delay.
Stating that everyone should have access to it. Grow up and stop acting like a baby. Face the facts . even others have said your crying and acting like a baby because of it. You dont see others on here demanding or crying like a baby. Have you ever stoped to think that nypd might be watching this thread? NYPD made a decsion on something that u dont like and u cant accpect it. For this reason i hope nypd does not give access to a feed.

You have too much time on your hands.

You keep repeating the same BS over and over and over and over again.

Read my lips: I couldn't care less about your opinion or what you think of the subject or what you think of me or what you think of the NYPD or what you think of encryption.

Understand?

You can tell me to grow up all you would like you can continue to attack me personally and call me a baby.

I couldn't care less...

But I can tell you everyone on here is watching everything you are saying.

 

[medic9351301]

I went by the way I don't take any direction from you. I'm not interested in your misguided education. I couldn't care less what your opinion is of me. But I can tell you people on here are getting sick and tired of this back and forth BS. I tried to end it but you continue to tag me with your nonsense.

i did not tag you in this . this was from a attorney that sent me a pm . he tried to post it but being a new member he could not

 

[richee2000]

i did not tag you in this . this was from a attorney that sent me a pm . he tried to post it but being a new member he could not

 

[richee2000]

i did not tag you in this . this was from a attorney that sent me a pm . he tried to post it but being a new member he could not

You tagged me in this there's the proof. The more you continue to bother me with your nonsense the more I will ignore the subject of your nonsense.

 

[medic9351301]

then block me and continue to live in your fantasy world of richee is king richee is right , what richee wants richee gets . i could care less

 

[richee2000]

then block me and continue to live in your fantasy world of richee is king richee is right , what richee wants richee gets . i could care less

What are you 5 years old?