Everything NYPD encryption.

[12dbsinad]

i am not saying i am not for one.

Good. Then what exactly are you arguing about?

 

[12dbsinad]

again the question is what are you going to do if nypd only gives access to the media and not the public at all . just because all these people want access does not mean there going to just give it to the general public

What's he going to do? Probably deal with it. But he'll hope for the best.

 

[richee2000]

The NYPD would have to totally vet "recognized" legitimate press and media. That would include television stations like WNBC TV WCBS TV WABC TV , newspapers such as The New York Post New York daily News the New York times cable news CNN Fox MSNBC.

 

[richee2000]

again the question is what are you going to do if nypd only gives access to the media and not the public at all . just because all these people want access does not mean there going to just give it to the general public

The New York City council and the New York State senators as well as neighborhood watchdog groups neighborhood safety groups and the citizens app are requesting access to the general public with a 10 minute to a 30-minute delay depending on who you're asking... What are we going to do? We're going to rely on City and State lawmakers as well as attorneys to determine the outcome of this situation. Ultimately is the responsibility of the city of New York to answer these potential lawsuits or city and state legislations.... It's not up to the NYPD, doesn't matter how much they huff and puff or what they say....

 

[medic9351301]

The New York City council and the New York State senators as well as neighborhood watchdog groups neighborhood safety groups and the citizens app are requesting access to the general public with a 10 minute to a 30-minute delay depending on who you're asking... What are we going to do? We're going to rely on City and State lawmakers as well as attorneys to determine the outcome of this situation.

ok but what if they dont decide to do a app . again thats is totally a nypd call not any of these people can make that call. what are you going to do if thats the case no delayed feed but only media access

 

[medic9351301]

Good. Then what exactly are you arguing about?

i am just trying to get him to understand just because a group of citizens law makers want a delayed feed that that is nypd call not the group. i said from day one that media should have access in some form .

 

[richee2000]

ok but what if they dont decide to do a app . again thats is totally a nypd call not any of these people can make that call

There are many layers of legal responsibility, just like any other legal issue, if the legislation by the state or the city is determined to be valid, you go with that... If you win a lawsuit in court you go with that, if you don't win a lawsuit in court you can always go to the appellate division and appeal, and just like some other entities, if you're not happy with the decision of the appellate court, you can appeal it all the way to the supreme Court if they will take the case....

 

[richee2000]

i am just trying to get him to understand just because a group of citizens law makers want a delayed feed that that is nypd call not the group. i said from day one that media should have access in some form .

It's not the call of the NYPD. It is the call of the New York State legislature, New York City council, and ultimately the city of New York with their attorneys..... But ultimately it is the call of the court, if challenged....

 

[medic9351301]

There are many layers of legal responsibility, just like any other legal issue, if the legislation by the state or the city is determined to be valid, you go with that... If you win a lawsuit in court you go with that, if you don't win a lawsuit in court you can always go to the appellate division and appeal, and just like some other entities, if you're not happy with the decision of the appellate court, you can appeal it all the way to the supreme Court if they will take the case....

wait a second nypd has contol of the system. not the courts or lawyers. so the next question is what if it goes to the supreme court and they say no feed . whats the next step . file another law suit and loose more money

 

[richee2000]

richee2000​

oh really your the one that will not answer any questions that have been asked to you .
i am very happy with my life i devoted 28 years to protect inbreads like you that think beacause what u want your going to get.
let richee2000 make a scene and richee gets what he wants . i wish i could live in your fantasy world.
so why dont u answer the dam question i asked you or are u just to stupid to come up with a decent answer

wait a second nypd has contol of the system. not the courts or lawyers. so the next question is what if it goes to the supreme court and they say no feed . whats the next step . file another law suit and loose more money

Wrong. The City Of New York is responsbile for The Actions , budget, and legal costs relating to the actions of The NYPD.
You call me "An Inbread" and "a sad little man" "stupid" ......why would I want to answer any of your questions? You dont deserve an answer, until you learn how to be respectful. Either Apologize or go bother someone else. I dont answer to you. read the rules and regulations of this group. You are in breach .

 

[medic9351301]

Wrong. The City Of New York is responsbile for The Actions , budget, and legal costs relating to the actions of The NYPD

ok fine what ever . so the next question is what if it goes to the supreme court and they say no feed . whats the next step . file another law suit and loose more money

 

[richee2000]

medic9351301 said:

"oh really your the one that will not answer any questions that have been asked to you .
i am very happy with my life i devoted 28 years to protect inbreads like you that think beacause what u want your going to get.
let richee2000 make a scene and richee gets what he wants . i wish i could live in your fantasy world.
so why dont u answer the dam question i asked you or are u just to stupid to come up with a decent answer"
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medic9351301 said:

"your a sad sad little man .
Again you did not answer the question of what are you going to do if only the real media have access to either real time or delayed access.
and they dont go with a public feed ?
Real media is tv radio and print not some citizen group or news stringers looking to sell video to a news agency
Just because there is a offer on the table from people does not mean it will happen .
your forcing people to take your side basically . just because richee wants it maybe i should back him .
you could walk up to anyone on the streets anywhere and ask them if they wanted access to the local pd on a scanner or app . they would prob be 50/50 on it. again like i have been stating from day one is that the nypd has the final say not richee not the city council .
Btw i now see where your now stating 10 to 30 min delay. you dont have a clue on what u want.
just be ready for every comment you make i am going to have facts to back my side up.
people are not entilted to anything . sure people need to unbderstand the need .But they understand also what a department decides to do is their bussines. i could be at every city council meeting crying that the citizens in my city need to have access to real time police talk .
let me ask you this whats going to happen if they only give access to like the major networks and print media.
sure i am sure almost all the users on here dont like encp. but the have learned to live with it.
I could be making a ton of post in my states fourm about encp. but i dont cause nothing is going to change it .
i am only stating facts, that no one is crying over the encp of ss dea fbi etc. .'
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If I used this type of language and attacked others on here, I would be banned. this guy cant even spell "inbreds" correctly....

whats the deal?

 

[buddrousa]

This is not going to end well I see a thread closed and or bans if this does not stop.

 

[richee2000]

This is not going to end well I see a thread closed and or bans if this does not stop.

agreed

 

[12dbsinad]

This is not going to end well I see a thread closed and or bans if this does not stop.

Hopefully not. I do miss the days of more moderator "knock it off's" vs. the new age instant hammer once a mod reads it. But I understand that takes manpower.

Rich, for those us following this, what are the next steps of events, any idea? Do you know of any board meetings to discuss this or any other future events?

 

[medic9351301]

simple answer just close this thread please .
no sense in trying to reason with anyone here.

 

[richee2000]

Hopefully not. I do miss the days of more moderator "knock it off's" vs. the new age instant hammer once a mod reads it. But I understand that takes manpower.

Rich, for those us following this, what are the next steps of events, any idea? Do you know of any board meetings to discuss this or any other future events?

Senatorial bills introduced, City Council meetings to discuss, Media attorneys working on potential lawsuits, community groups discussing next steps, etc... but, since full citywide E will take place end of next year, there is plenty of time......

 

[richee2000]

simple answer just close this thread please .
no sense in trying to reason with anyone here.

we all have to suffer for your breach of rules on here? No, I think not. Most of us can discuss respectfully. If you can't, you should leave

 

[APX8000]

As much as you gripe and whine and moan, that is not going to stop the New York City council or the New York State senators as well as the public community groups the press the attorneys for the press as well as neighborhood watch committees to continue their lawsuits, to continue their legislations, and continue whatever necessary to ensure both the public and the press has the availability of NYPD dispatch communications in the clear....

Lawsuits ? Under what part of the First Amendment does the press have a constitutional right to encrypted comms ??

There are many layers of legal responsibility, just like any other legal issue, if the legislation by the state or the city is determined to be valid, you go with that... If you win a lawsuit in court you go with that, if you don't win a lawsuit in court you can always go to the appellate division and appeal, and just like some other entities, if you're not happy with the decision of the appellate court, you can appeal it all the way to the supreme Court if they will take the case....

SCOTUS taking up a lawsuit that would be thrown out based upon standing. Interesting.

The NYPD would have to totally vet "recognized" legitimate press and media. That would include television stations like WNBC TV WCBS TV WABC TV , newspapers such as The New York Post New York daily News the New York times cable news CNN Fox MSNBC.

I wouldn't call the majority of those legitimate, but I digress.

 

[richee2000]

Lawsuits ? Under what part of the First Amendment does the press have a constitutional right to encrypted comms ??

No lawsuits yet, but from what I hear , they would not be based on the 1st amendment constitutional right.

SCOTUS taking up a lawsuit that would be thrown out based upon standing. Interesting.

my point was we could appeal any decision, all the way up the SC, if they would take the case.

I wouldn't call the majority of those legitimate, but I digress.

Neither of us are lawyers, so any answers here are just possibilities. My feeling is, this will be handled out of court. If you dont consider national legacy media legit, then, who is???