Futronics UHF Connect Plus

[AtlasFBG2]

The Woodville site is showing as color code 2 now.

 

[mtindor]

The Woodville site is showing as color code 2 now.

Thanks. DB has been updated.

- m

 

[AtlasFBG2]

I got a partial find on the Norwalk site using lcn finder.

454.275 lcn1
461.175 lcn3

 

[mtindor]

I got a partial find on the Norwalk site using lcn finder.

454.275 lcn1
461.175 lcn3

Danke. Norwalk has been updated.

- mike

 

[AtlasFBG2]

Found the 2nd lcn for Norwalk.

454.275 lcn1
464.225 lcn2
461.175 lcn3

 

[mtindor]

Found the 2nd lcn for Norwalk.

454.275 lcn1
464.225 lcn2
461.175 lcn3

Danke! The DB has been updated.

Mike

 

[mtindor]

Here are some Futronics sites (unknown locations) in NorthEast Ohio.

182-96
CC: 454.100
DCC: 1
Neighbors: 21, 31, 97, 98, 99

182-97
CC: 454.54375
DCC: 1
Neighbors: 21, 31, 96, 98, 99

182-98
CC: 454.025
DCC: 1
Neighbors: 21, 31, 96, 97, 99

182-99
CC: 454.125
DCC: 1
Neighbors: 21, 31, 96, 97, 98

NOTE: These sites are in Northern Ohio, likely in Eastern border counties -- such as Columbiana, Mahoning, Trumbull, Ashtabula, Portage and Geauga.

Notice the reference to site 31 as a neighbor. Site 21 (I believe) is Akron, although I'm not sure it is online right now. And based upon beam headings we know that 96-99 are in one or more of the counties mentioned above. Site 31 might be in Geauga Co and might be a Huntsburg location. Within the past year a Youngstown Radio trunked license was re-assigned to Futronics - and the location of that site is in Huntsburg (Geauga). IF it is online, it would either have a 454 mhz control channel or one of the frequencies below as a control channel:

WPPF795
461.8625
463.3875
463.8375
464.4125
464.9125

If anyone is able to copy one of the control channels of Sites 96-99 full scale from your location, or Site 31 (check the 460 mhz freqs above and 454.0-454.7), and you are willing to share your general location (within a few miles), please do so. We really need to be able to pin down these sites.

As is typical, Futronics sites are rarely busy -- most of the ones in East Ohio have no traffic on them at all (and were probably only erected so that Futronics could show utilization of their paging spectrum licenses).

 

[mtindor]

In addition to the post above (please read if you haven't yet), Futronics has a pending license modification for the Monroeville (Huron) site where they are deleting Monroeville from the license and adding:

Tiffin (Seneca)
452.000
462.175
(and probably a 454 mhz paging freq for good measure)

 

[mtindor]

451.0375 and 461.8625

If you live up in northern Ohio -- pretty much from Lake / Geuga westward all the way to Lucas Cos, please consider checking to see if you can pick up the following control channels for Futronics.

182-21 451.0375 In the DB as Akron but I suspect not

451.0375 is licensed for a few places such as Akron, Wickliffe, etc.

182-32 461.8625 Copied the other day during some tropo from the north

461.8625 is licenses for a few places such as Huntsburg (Geauga), Napoleon (Henry), Wauseon (Fulton) and Gibsonburg (Sandusky).

As of last night both of those control channels were active. Of course the owner of the system almost certainly reads RR and could conceivably thwart any efforts by changing the active control channel as soon as this post is made.

So if you are up around northern Ohio, don't delay -- See if you can copy a CON+ control channel on 451.0375 and/or 451.8625.

Thanks

mike

 

[davidzimmerman]

Mike i live in Parma i tried 451.0375 and 451.8625 Nothing in my area all quiet

 

[mtindor]

Mike i live in Parma i tried 451.0375 and 451.8625 Nothing in my area all quiet

Thank you Dave. So not in the Parma area, and not in the Geauga / Lake area. Must be west of you all then. Hmm. Well, technically 451.0375 could still be Akron -- it's just such a low signal that us guys down this way were beginning to doubt its location. But the 461.8625 must be out West of you a bit then, probably over in Sandusky / Erie counties.

Mike

 

[davidzimmerman]

Your Welcome Mike i did try

 

[mtindor]

Hi Folks,

If there is anyone who lives in/around West Lodi (Seneca) or who travels through there, please be on the lookout for the following:

Site 5 West Lodi (Seneca)
LCN = 1 TX = 464.91250 RX = 469.91250 DCC = 1 CC # FUTRONICS-WPVM622
LCN = 2 TX = 452.33750 RX = 457.33750 DCC = 1 # WPUJ968
LCN = 3 TX = 451.98750 RX = 456.98750 DCC = 1 # WPUJ968

Focus on 464.9125 as being the CC and reporting as 182-5. But if this site is live, the CC could be on 452.3375 or 451.9875 (although probably not).

 

[Voyager]

I've been monitoring Site 99 (and now Site 98 in addition to 99 - both at the same time). I suspect 99 might be a little SE of Pittsburgh (perhaps around the Channel 40 tower in Wall, PA), and 98 might be around the Beaver County area (PA) based on beam headings and strength, but it could be across the Ohio border near Beaver Co.

I should be able to get a better idea of 99 tomorrow.

Both are showing the same NL and Color Code as below, but the frequency for Site 98 is currently 454.050 and Site 99 is currently 454.025. (and have been that for several days since the band opening Mike and I were discussing a while back)

Here are some Futronics sites (unknown locations) in NorthEast Ohio.

182-98
CC: 454.025
DCC: 1
Neighbors: 21, 31, 96, 97, 99

182-99
CC: 454.125
DCC: 1
Neighbors: 21, 31, 96, 97, 98

NOTE: These sites are in Northern Ohio, likely in Eastern border counties -- such as Columbiana, Mahoning, Trumbull, Ashtabula, Portage and Geauga.

 

[mtindor]

I've been monitoring Site 99 (and now Site 98 in addition to 99 - both at the same time). I suspect 99 might be a little SE of Pittsburgh (perhaps around the Channel 40 tower in Wall, PA), and 98 might be around the Beaver County area (PA) based on beam headings and strength, but it could be across the Ohio border near Beaver Co.

I should be able to get a better idea of 99 tomorrow.

Both are showing the same NL and Color Code as below, but the frequency for Site 98 is currently 454.050 and Site 99 is currently 454.025. (and have been that for several days since the band opening Mike and I were discussing a while back)

In the RRDB, under the Futronics system, if you click on the Wiki you'll see the site research link. The confirmed LCNs / color codes are listed for 96-99 (with OK next to confirmed ones). When the sites first came online they were using different frequencies. As you see, they obviously have changed freqs from when I originally posted here. Where there is an LCN 2 listed as confirmed in the Wiki, it may no longer be confirmed because they may have changed other channels on a particular site too.

I've heard New Cumberland Ambulance and Hancock Schools on Sites 96 / 97. The site listed as Weirton is definitely Weirton. The site listed East Liverpool / Chester may not be that. It was a best guess. And considering I wouldd hear NC Ambulance and Hancock Co schools on them both, I figured that both had to be in the Hancock area. But again, only the Weirton location is confirmed (to be Weirton) -- but there are two locations in Weirton it could be. I chose the historic location that Lauttamus uses in Weirton, but they do have another site up by Colliers way or somewhere around there as well.

 

[Voyager]

I'm waiting to see some activity there. There was none on site 99 on Friday at all. I think there was some from Hancock buses earlier in the week (hence I started monitoring the system). will update as I see any info. I'm assuming you can take care of updating this system, Mike?

Beaver would make sense based on the users. If Lattamus is involved, I might suspect West Mifflin for Site 99.

We need Redbeard to check Site 98.

 

[Voyager]

BTW, are you seeing RAS on those sites?

Also, maybe it's not the frequencies that were swapped. Maybe sites 97 and 99 swapped IDs (locations) for ease of internal identification.
(IOW, maybe site 99 is the eastern-most site, but wasn't on the original map)

Also, how old is that map and what site was it gathered from?

 

[Voyager]

Site 99 is confirmed active with LCN 1 and 2 (454.025 and 461.350 respectively). LCN 3 seems to not be active yet.

I suspect the site is West Homestead, PA (SE of PGH as I suspected above). There is a Lattamus site licensed on 461.350 there, so it seems there is some joint venture between Futronics and Lattamus.

 

[mtindor]

BTW, are you seeing RAS on those sites?

Also, maybe it's not the frequencies that were swapped. Maybe sites 97 and 99 swapped IDs (locations) for ease of internal identification.
(IOW, maybe site 99 is the eastern-most site, but wasn't on the original map)

Also, how old is that map and what site was it gathered from?

The map (at least for 182-96 through 182-99) should absolutely be ignored. The only thing that likely makes 96-99 a part of Futronics is a simple ethernet cable being plugged in at Futronics HQ. They may or may not be currently linked. After all, at this point there is so much separation between a working Futronics site vs Lauttamus site that I would think it highly unlikely that there would be roaming at present. The map is absolutely current (I think it lists the date at the top of the map) and was gathered from the Medina site.

It could be that IDs were swapped. I never gave that a thought. But in general, the original CCs that shows up for all four sites is different than the current CC for any of them. They all used to be only-454. Then the one site started using 462.125 or whatever is listed in the wiki. There simply is no guarantee that anything on the network map is relevant for the high sites at this point.

I don't know if the maintainer can be selective about which site(s) the network map is being broadcast on, or if it's broadcast across the whole system when it is broadcast. But I think we need to consider Futronics-Lauttamus sites as being not quite as "connected" as Centre-Triangle is on MADRN, at least at this point.

 

[mtindor]

Site 99 is confirmed active with LCN 1 and 2 (454.025 and 461.350 respectively). LCN 3 seems to not be active yet.

I suspect the site is West Homestead, PA (SE of PGH as I suspected above). There is a Lattamus site licensed on 461.350 there, so it seems there is some joint venture between Futronics and Lattamus.

Thanks. I've added Site 99 to the DB.