U.S. Marshals Service P25 TRS (BEE00-4F0)

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Today’s band opening brought in all of the South Jersey sites including elusive Swedesboro. No new peers. Took a look at NYC UHF noticed the CC has rolled. 406.8125 first time seen off .6125.
 

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Here are the neighbors reporting from NYC site (406.6125):

Site 103 - 169.6375 CC
Site 110 - 171.6875 CC
Site 114 - 168.9125 CC
Site 118 - 168.9875 CC
Site 122 - 171.4625 CC
Site 127 - 170.9125 CC
Site 132 - 170.6750 CC
 

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I know this thread went dormant a while back, but I just noticed the database entry for this system is suddenly loaded with talk groups from HSI and ICE.

Any idea of the providence of these talkgroups? Clearly they came from a cqodeplug or a reading of a radio as they all show encrypted and probably not monitored for confirmation.

I am very curious why a large group of DHS agency talk groups would be used on a DOJ managed radio system. I'm not saying it's impossible, but knowing federal operations and how territorial they can be, it is unusual.

- Chris
 

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You'd be amazed of the majority of ICE systems actually "owned" by DOJ. This comes from pre 9/11 when Immigration and Border Patrol were both part of DOJ. When they were brought under the DHS umbrella, those users remained on their respective systems and Customs (who were under Treasury at the time), remained on their legacy system after 9/11 as part of DHS. Yeah, one big dysfunctional family.

Many of the frequency assignments in the new Marshals system were integrated from the old INS/ICE vote scan system. In fact, many of the sites are still the same on both sides. In makes sense to consolidate, and this stance has been talked about since I believe 2004...google "DOJ integrated wireless network" and the concept has been discussed for almost 20 years now. Makes sense to share infrastructure and resources.

As far as the talkgroup names, that could have come from someone with access, but those codeplugs are CPS read locked. But those can also be obtained through FOIA requests...look at the Florida thread as an example of how it was easily done. But since they are strapped to encryption and they OTAR every month, you won't hear a thing. And I can tell you that 99% of the time, one of those agencies is on NJICS according to Unitrunker running on both systems. And if you look as sites alone between the two, it provides much better coverage. Oh and those are strapped ENC as well so again, you still won't hear a thing.
 

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APX8000, thanks for the comments.

I am personally aware of the IWN project, as I have been dealing with it since it came on line in Oregon & Washington. I've also written a few articles about IWN in my column in The Spectrum Monitor magazine. There is some ICE and CBP use on IWN, as they are subscribers to the system, which is still maintained by DOJ contracts.

And indeed there are a lot of common operations with the USMS and ICE/HSI. I know that ICE has access to USMS channels in some of their radios, so this multi-agency use of this trunked system make sense. But I was curious as to how we got these DHS agency talk groups identified but nothing for the originating agency, either US Marshals or DOJ.

- Chris
 

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That freq is the site in NYC. If your seeing that freq you should also see one of these.
406.6125c406.8125c407.2125c408.250c
 

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All I got here is 406.6125 and 409.2125...
406.6125 is always there! here and strong
the others seem like they come and go?
Marcy
 

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The first is the control channel. Out of all the sites I receive, the NYS site is the only one I see steady activity on.
 

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P25 trunked systems have control channels, which are constant carriers. Everything else is a traffic channel.
 
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