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KE5TLF
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No ID search mode??? That's just plain dumb...aimed at the novice user or not.
Viper43
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Not really, considering they (novices) aren't looking for what isn't there, but for what is there. If they don't know about it doesn't exist.
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Looks like NJ State Police needs some Latitude/Longitude & Range info added, will the HP-1 follow it the way it's in the HomePatrol database now?
Highpockets
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Thanks, so peak performance is down the road a little.
From what I've seen so far, the HP-1 is a great road trip scanner. Like many of you, I research, plan, and load all my radios before a trip. I also bring along a laptop to make any changes or updates. Once I reach my destination I like to get into the monitoring mode by hunting down new frequencies that aren’t posted yet. But then again I always bring along a 396XT with me for that very purpose.
I’ve been eyeing the HP-1 for awhile now but I’m going to wait and see. I already have an idea how I’m going to hardwire it in my truck and mount it with a Proclip bracket. It would replace my RH-96/BCT15 if I do get one. Then all I would need is a Garmin 18x PC GPS Navigator Unit and a SMA/BNC adapter to complete my install.
I’ve been eyeing the HP-1 for awhile now but I’m going to wait and see. I already have an idea how I’m going to hardwire it in my truck and mount it with a Proclip bracket. It would replace my RH-96/BCT15 if I do get one. Then all I would need is a Garmin 18x PC GPS Navigator Unit and a SMA/BNC adapter to complete my install.
If you click on the "starburst" it will take you to a page that describes the update.
(If you tried before and it didn't do that, it is because I just fixed the links 5 minutes ago.)
n9nwo
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Is the software included with the radio or do you have to get it off the web? If on the web, where?
If you mean HomePatrol Sentinel, it is both included with the radio and available for download (WebHome < HomePatrol < TWiki).
N8TXX
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Thanks!
What's the proper way to submit geotags to the database? For example, the San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station system (San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS - SCE) Trunking System, San Onofre, California - Scanner Frequencies) is in the county, but it's at the northern tip, of a quite large county. It currently comes up for me (in zip code 92121), but it probably shouldn't.
My best guess at how to do this was to click the [Submit] button on that page, and provide the coordinates. Is that correct?
On a side note, strangely, also coming up in 92121 are several systems a full county away (Riverside, etc.). Perhaps they have transmitters in SD County. /shrug
Thanks,
Steve
My best guess at how to do this was to click the [Submit] button on that page, and provide the coordinates. Is that correct?
On a side note, strangely, also coming up in 92121 are several systems a full county away (Riverside, etc.). Perhaps they have transmitters in SD County. /shrug
Thanks,
Steve
That is correct, click submit. To align with what the RRDB admin needs to do (i.e. to make his life a little easier and get your submission worked more quickly) you should check out http://wiki.radioreference.com/imag...e.com_Database_Administrator_Handbook_1.3.pdf
This is the guide admins follow to update listings in the database.
For the specific system you mention, no geotagging information is in the database, so it is just inheriting the county location data. Once specific location info is entered, it will use its own data (and probably significantly narrow the range so that it isn't inappropriately selected from so far away).
You can see what data is missing for that system by going to San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS - SCE) Trunking System, San Onofre, California - Scanner Frequencies and clicking the bottom two reports. The best submission would be one that had each line in the report filled out.
Like:
Category Name Sort Lat Lon Range
Additional 99
Operations 100
Health Physics 200
Maintenance 300
(the sort field just tells the dB what order to display things...add lat, lon, range at the end of each line)
For trunked systems both the site(s) and the talkgroup categories need to be geotagged.
The 92121 issues are probably similar in nature...there are some elements that are inheriting the other county's geotag. As geotagging information is entered at a more granular level, selection will narrow down to provide more specific systems (which will improve the experience).
This is the guide admins follow to update listings in the database.
For the specific system you mention, no geotagging information is in the database, so it is just inheriting the county location data. Once specific location info is entered, it will use its own data (and probably significantly narrow the range so that it isn't inappropriately selected from so far away).
You can see what data is missing for that system by going to San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (SONGS - SCE) Trunking System, San Onofre, California - Scanner Frequencies and clicking the bottom two reports. The best submission would be one that had each line in the report filled out.
Like:
Category Name Sort Lat Lon Range
Additional 99
Operations 100
Health Physics 200
Maintenance 300
(the sort field just tells the dB what order to display things...add lat, lon, range at the end of each line)
For trunked systems both the site(s) and the talkgroup categories need to be geotagged.
The 92121 issues are probably similar in nature...there are some elements that are inheriting the other county's geotag. As geotagging information is entered at a more granular level, selection will narrow down to provide more specific systems (which will improve the experience).
Oh wow, so we can submit tags for individual TGs too? That means I could take the SD Beat Map (http://www.scansandiego.net/Scanner/data/beat2005.pdf) and derive Positions + Ranges for each TG? If so, that's awesome!
Edit: I realized last night as I started to notice inconsistencies, typos, etc. that the HP1 is going to really drive a massive amount of user contribution and improvement to the RR database.
Edit: I realized last night as I started to notice inconsistencies, typos, etc. that the HP1 is going to really drive a massive amount of user contribution and improvement to the RR database.
Not individual TGs. TG Categories (these are the "buckets" that become Departments for a trunked radio system in HomePatrol-1). In RRDB they are the headings above each set of talk groups.
But, what I have done in some cases is reorganize the database so that each patrol district is in its own Talk Group category (which is the preferred organization for RadioReference, too...but a lot of stuff was put into the database prior to that preference being determined, so some systems need to be reworked a bit). You can see an example of this in the Arlington, TX system. Prior to my re-org, all PD channels were in one group. Now it is split up by district.
But, what I have done in some cases is reorganize the database so that each patrol district is in its own Talk Group category (which is the preferred organization for RadioReference, too...but a lot of stuff was put into the database prior to that preference being determined, so some systems need to be reworked a bit). You can see an example of this in the Arlington, TX system. Prior to my re-org, all PD channels were in one group. Now it is split up by district.
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Viper43
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It will mean a lot of work, both submission wise and admin wise, but the outcome will mean alot better data for not just the products using the DB but also every scanner and user. Thats why it's important to try and get it right the first time as minor fixes are easier than fixing whole systems.
Besides typos there are alot of duplicate frequencies that need removed. A frequency that either has no tone or a single tone only needs to be in one place in a county not multiple times.
One example is: Hancock County, Indiana (IN) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
One frerquency is listed twice
151.7750 DCS071 Sheiff TAC
151.7750 DCS071 Mt Vernon Schools
This frequency is licensed to the school district, not the sheiffs dept and it should be in the database only once under the school district. Yes, the sheriffs dept and local police also have the channel but they use it only when working events at the schools and rare occasions that police need to remove a student from a bus, medical emergencies on buses or bus accidents. In fact, recent changes this past year made it used more by Fortville Police and McCodsville Police than the Sheriffs Dept. because 3 schools are no longer in the county but the town of Fortville. The sheiffs dept now only has one elementary school in the county. Simply put though the channel should only be listed for the oganization it is licensed too and in this case it is only licensed to the school district and not any police department.
One example of a multiple use of a channel that is correct is: Madison County, Indiana (IN) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference and frequency 154.3100 which is used by multiple fie departments but each has a different PL tone
So there are lots of little fixes needed as well as geotagging to be done, but in the long run we'll end up with a much cleaner and leaner database.
Besides typos there are alot of duplicate frequencies that need removed. A frequency that either has no tone or a single tone only needs to be in one place in a county not multiple times.
One example is: Hancock County, Indiana (IN) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
One frerquency is listed twice
151.7750 DCS071 Sheiff TAC
151.7750 DCS071 Mt Vernon Schools
This frequency is licensed to the school district, not the sheiffs dept and it should be in the database only once under the school district. Yes, the sheriffs dept and local police also have the channel but they use it only when working events at the schools and rare occasions that police need to remove a student from a bus, medical emergencies on buses or bus accidents. In fact, recent changes this past year made it used more by Fortville Police and McCodsville Police than the Sheriffs Dept. because 3 schools are no longer in the county but the town of Fortville. The sheiffs dept now only has one elementary school in the county. Simply put though the channel should only be listed for the oganization it is licensed too and in this case it is only licensed to the school district and not any police department.
One example of a multiple use of a channel that is correct is: Madison County, Indiana (IN) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference and frequency 154.3100 which is used by multiple fie departments but each has a different PL tone
So there are lots of little fixes needed as well as geotagging to be done, but in the long run we'll end up with a much cleaner and leaner database.
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Nice thing about the HP-1 being released. The database will be getting cleaned up and fine-tuned as more users get one. Viper is correct about many systems using the same freq and the importance of making sure the correct tone is listed. I know here in Florida I can be listening to DOF Red, White or Blue which uses CSQ and I will hear Alabama traffic. Nothing worse than listen to a police dispatch channel and hearing a school bus driver chatting about how Johnny missed the bus. :lol::lol:
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