AZScanner
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A press conference? Yeah I'm sure Anderson Cooper and Nancy Grace are both falling all over themselves to book the next flight to Fort Worth so they can be there when Paul talks about scanners. :roll: What the firetruck?
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A press conference? Yeah I'm sure Anderson Cooper and Nancy Grace are both falling all over themselves to book the next flight to Fort Worth so they can be there when Paul talks about scanners. :roll: What the firetruck?
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In the first post here in the continuation of the thread he said that all the stuff said here, in videos and on the Uniden site about it not being ready, not coming with the scanner, and not going to be ready until an aimed for date of 1st quarter 2014 doesn't count at all unless UPMan/Uniden had held a public press conference announcing such which he said they had not done.
That makes any argument about Uniden being up front with the information which he had said it was in another post no longer valid because of no press conference. He reiterated that somewhere in the last couple of posts he made too.
By writing the standards in which someone can argue the point he's stacked it entirely to his benefit and against anyone with common sense.
It is what it is at this point, just not sure what that might be. LOL
LiquidPandora
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Hows Bongo btw?.....
I've been monitoring this thread for a couple days and watch scanner enthusiasts attack each other about issues that shouldn't even be. UPMan has chose to remain quiet while monitoring these forums in spite of all the requests for updates . I'm tired of all those who come to defend him and praise him as if he was working on a cure for cancer. He could of calm these forums down some by shedding some light on the progress of key issues .
That is his choice and I've made my choice by sending back my 2nd and last 536HP. I have a GRE PSR-800 and just bought a 996XT and patiently waiting for Whistler to release their base. Maybe Uniden should have just changed a color of a button and called it a day.
That is his choice and I've made my choice by sending back my 2nd and last 536HP. I have a GRE PSR-800 and just bought a 996XT and patiently waiting for Whistler to release their base. Maybe Uniden should have just changed a color of a button and called it a day.
LIScanner101
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I LOL at how many pom-pom waving, Kool-Aid drinking x36HP Uniden followers are on this forum instead of singing the praises of their scanners on the other threads that are available to them.
LiquidPandora
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Interesting words.... Mr Tumegpc
Interesting words.... Mr Tumegpc
JamesO
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LIScanner101,
Can you just stop it?? I really do not think you can just sit back and leave well enough alone.
You have this incessant need to just keep poking and stirring and commenting on something that has no real relevance to you personally.
Just another cyber hater/bully/PITA.
There are plenty of people that own the X36HP scanners are generally happy with them. They are however a bit frustrated that some of the extra features are not available yet and it is not clear which year or decade these features may be released and available. I think X36HP owners have a right to voice their frustration and ask questions or request an update because the original deadline is quickly approaching and there is "radio silence" about if and when X36HP owners may see new firmware and Apps. I also realize there may be some reluctance on Uniden to say anything at this moment because the firmware and Apps are not always easy and clear cut to deliver. Many, many man hours may be required to get some of these things perfected and polished for release.
But I also think a lot of the discontent with the X36HP scanners has to do with the software, the way the scanner can be configured and all the "filters" that people do not fully understand. These units have a very steep learning curve and unfortunately there are FAR more ways to NOT receive traffic and some of the defaults that Uniden choose to implement into the HP database/scanner/software sets a user up for problems to easily receiving traffic they expect. Some of this could have avoided, but it is what it is. Everyone will bang their head against the table for a few days, then they will move forward.
There are only a few ways to get the programming and configuration correct ("get it right") and there are FAR more ways to program and configure the scanner to limit what you expect to hear ("get it wrong"). But this kind of comes with the territory/features of this unit.
Unfortunately in today's software and firmware configured world, clear and concise instructions and manuals are not to be found. The instructions and manuals cannot keep up with all the software and firmware changes and there are far fewer people that can clearly write, edit and proof read manuals.
So do the community a favor, if you do not have positive, constructive and useful information to add to a thread, please keep your negative comments to yourself.
At least for the moment there is some hope that the Uniden community has some support and can hopefully expect updates and continued support of the product. This is not the case for owners of other hardware. Kind of worthless to complain when there is nobody there to listen and likely offer a solution.
Unfortunately this hobby may be dying a slow and painful death due to technology, encryption as well as market and profit concerns. So we should all be grateful there are still a few players left in the game and we have some new hardware available.
Hopefully the community will continue to support the manufacturers by purchasing their products so we have something to play with. Kind of hard to carry your SDR computer around in your car or on your belt!
Lets just hope 10 years from now we can all still be around to discuss these types of issues.
I generally agree with JamesO in message #107 above. Yes, I have expressed some frustration not knowing about anticipated dates for some of the new applications, and yes, I had headphone problems requiring a return for replacement on both my 536HPs, and yes, I have had some P25 decode issues on one particular trunking system. But I still think the new Unidens are great scanners (have 2 536HPs and one 436HP). As many others have stated throughout threads all over RRDB, these scanners have a steep learning curve.
Yes, I would like to see some of new features finally implemented. But the last thing I (meaning all of us collectively) want to do is to drive Uniden crazy so they decide the hell with the scanner business. Paul Opitz may be committed to this hobby, but some of the corporate people, especially the Japanese, who by nature really do not like a lot of discord, may look at the bottom line, and say, maybe its not worth all the hassle.
If GRE were making big money on scanners, I'm sure they would have found another place in Asia somewhere to make their scanners. "They could not find another location" (translation: they were'nt making enough money on scanners to make it worth their while.). If you read my posts, it may sound like I vacillate, frustration vs singing the praises of UPMan (and to some extent Uniden). Yes, I would like to know about Siren and the analyze mode, but even more importantly, I hope Uniden (and perhaps Whistler) stay in business.
There is a difference between being irked about some feature, and stating that you are going to call a lawyer about your legal rights. Give me a break, we're talking about 600 dollar scanners. The judge will say, well you don't even own one, or if you did, why didn't your just return it for a refund. Then he (she) will ask you to pay the court costs for wasting their time.
Some think that Whistler must be soaking this all up and is going to come out with something fantastic. I think the Whistler guys are reading these posts and saying, you know, maybe we don't want to touch any of this s... with a 10 foot pole.
If Uniden gets out of the scanner business, it will save a lot of PDs from having to encrypt. Sure, we'll have the older scanners, but eventually, without new scanner toys to play with, the hobby will eventually die. It's dying slowly anyway, so let's not hasten its demise. Yes, I would like the apps, but no, I do not want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Steve AA6IO
Yes, I would like to see some of new features finally implemented. But the last thing I (meaning all of us collectively) want to do is to drive Uniden crazy so they decide the hell with the scanner business. Paul Opitz may be committed to this hobby, but some of the corporate people, especially the Japanese, who by nature really do not like a lot of discord, may look at the bottom line, and say, maybe its not worth all the hassle.
If GRE were making big money on scanners, I'm sure they would have found another place in Asia somewhere to make their scanners. "They could not find another location" (translation: they were'nt making enough money on scanners to make it worth their while.). If you read my posts, it may sound like I vacillate, frustration vs singing the praises of UPMan (and to some extent Uniden). Yes, I would like to know about Siren and the analyze mode, but even more importantly, I hope Uniden (and perhaps Whistler) stay in business.
There is a difference between being irked about some feature, and stating that you are going to call a lawyer about your legal rights. Give me a break, we're talking about 600 dollar scanners. The judge will say, well you don't even own one, or if you did, why didn't your just return it for a refund. Then he (she) will ask you to pay the court costs for wasting their time.
Some think that Whistler must be soaking this all up and is going to come out with something fantastic. I think the Whistler guys are reading these posts and saying, you know, maybe we don't want to touch any of this s... with a 10 foot pole.
If Uniden gets out of the scanner business, it will save a lot of PDs from having to encrypt. Sure, we'll have the older scanners, but eventually, without new scanner toys to play with, the hobby will eventually die. It's dying slowly anyway, so let's not hasten its demise. Yes, I would like the apps, but no, I do not want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Steve AA6IO
I'll refer you to my forum signature. Old Joe's got it figured out.
Based on what we know at this time, Whistler is merely coming out with re-badged GRE scanners. Nothing new....Oh, gee. Does that make me a Whistler hater?
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"Can you just stop it?? I really do not think you can just sit back and leave well enough alone."
If these radios were working "well enough" we wouldn't be having this discourse.
"Just another cyber hater/bully/PITA."
Why, because you disagree with him? Because he is going against the grain here? Why the continual name calling and disrespect?
I will not continue to quote James O, but he goes on many times to admit the steep learning curve and complexity of these radios which completely contradicts the marketing position taken by Uniden through Paul that these scanners were simple to operate using the HP technology. Turn it on, enter some data, zip codes, etc., and away you go.... Not true by the admission and experience of many end users.
This supports the OP original position that the marketing of these radios on many fronts was simply misleading.
With regard to sshermanmd's points..I agree that this hobby is dying. However, producing scanners that require a degree from MIT to operate will not stimulate the entrance of new users into the hobby.
Joe and Jane Citizen shopping at Wal Mart for the scanner to listen to local PD, etc., will not be happy with the "Steep learning curve" of these units. Those folks will not buy them.
I said it once, I'll say it again. The HP - 1 design fits that bill. These new offering do not. Too much in one package.
For me the concern is now and always has been the quality of the receiver. I was very concerned to read very mixed reports of the sensitivity of the 436, especially after the firmware upgrade. Despite all the threads about these scanners, I have not seen one definitive thread addressing this issue objectively, either from members, or from Paul.
Until Uniden becomes more transparent with it's core user base for these particular models, (yes, most of US here on RR), threads like this will continue to proliferate.
Our niche market of end users deserve better, and if demanding excellence in our equipment results in the demise of the hobby, so be it....
If these radios were working "well enough" we wouldn't be having this discourse.
"Just another cyber hater/bully/PITA."
Why, because you disagree with him? Because he is going against the grain here? Why the continual name calling and disrespect?
I will not continue to quote James O, but he goes on many times to admit the steep learning curve and complexity of these radios which completely contradicts the marketing position taken by Uniden through Paul that these scanners were simple to operate using the HP technology. Turn it on, enter some data, zip codes, etc., and away you go.... Not true by the admission and experience of many end users.
This supports the OP original position that the marketing of these radios on many fronts was simply misleading.
With regard to sshermanmd's points..I agree that this hobby is dying. However, producing scanners that require a degree from MIT to operate will not stimulate the entrance of new users into the hobby.
Joe and Jane Citizen shopping at Wal Mart for the scanner to listen to local PD, etc., will not be happy with the "Steep learning curve" of these units. Those folks will not buy them.
I said it once, I'll say it again. The HP - 1 design fits that bill. These new offering do not. Too much in one package.
For me the concern is now and always has been the quality of the receiver. I was very concerned to read very mixed reports of the sensitivity of the 436, especially after the firmware upgrade. Despite all the threads about these scanners, I have not seen one definitive thread addressing this issue objectively, either from members, or from Paul.
Until Uniden becomes more transparent with it's core user base for these particular models, (yes, most of US here on RR), threads like this will continue to proliferate.
Our niche market of end users deserve better, and if demanding excellence in our equipment results in the demise of the hobby, so be it....
Dafe1er
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I second that!
Three more day's!
ROFLMAO.
PLEASE refrain from TWISTING my word's folk's. If you feel the need to quote me please READ and QUOTE what I say!
LIScanner101
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I agree that the #1 aspect of any scanner is its sensitivity. All the bells an whistles in the world don't amount to anything if you can't hear anything. My trusty "old" barebones analog BCT15X has excellent sensitivity so I'm not a Uniden hater.
Our developers are working diligently, but have had more challenges than expected in adjusting the firmware in the scanner, in the WiFi module, and in the iPhone codebase itself. At such time as I have more information, I'll post it in the main forum. At this time, I am no longer following this thread (s/n ratio has become miniscule).
Dafe1er
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Thank you for the information UPman.
Does this mean we are going to miss the projected time frame for release of the App? If so are we looking towards "later in the year". I know you do not want to set a date in stone, so I worded it for a easier response. Hopefully.
Is there any word on the Analysis mode coming to light at the same time as the App or will this be available in a future firmware update coming soon?
I am sure you have read many times we are trying to get a little more information on what to expect on the App whenever it comes out. Is there any way you can be a little more forth coming with some information?
Give us all a little teaser? Or are you having fun watching the horse and phony show?....lol
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Dafe1er
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Does not hurt to try right? I mean it is not like I am looking for the code to the App or trying to get insider information....lol
I think he answered that with "I'm unfollowing this thread because of the drivel in it".
Dafe1er
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Maybe up in Canada they handle things with Drivel, but down here we have laws to follow!
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