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Another Res posted for tomorrow for AR-62W 2045z-2359z same flight levels 210-280.
Looks like round robin power mission from Minot perhaps?

Night Owls tonight may catch them on Montreal Center CYFB remote Bilingual site that covers that area.
Lots of French speaking locals as well..
22:27 ET

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2036L - Sounded like GRIP11 flight calling for a radio check on 11175 kHz, GRIP12 responds LC.
Sounds like GRIP-11 flight up near AR-62E blocking 240-250 setting up for A/R on Montreal Ctr.
2340 local..Hearing tankers HIFI-91 and HIFI-11 HIFI-31 to Marsa with GRIP-11,12.
 
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after 307.025 ZDC Leesburg VA-> 346.375 ZDC Green Bay VA -> 319.000 ZDC Buena Vista VA
lost them after 319.0

still A-A on 341.750 - Talking about MARS frequencies 13927, 11407, 7635 (all USB)

Thanks for the tie up - I had DEATH 22 working 319.000 ZKC Farmington around 1643 EST presumably on the way home. I was at work so didn't have their A2A programmed up.

Also for you East Coasters, I had FORKY29 (E6) on 11175 with an EAM as "CANDYGUM"? and then absolutely knocking my radio's front end off with his 1KW transmitter on 368.200 (WBFM) as he transited Chicago. (1737 EST)
 

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Keep eye out for BLUE-21 this morning KC-135 #62-3569 and BLUE-22 #60-0341 that arrived Dover the other night.
Acars has them route at FL-250 down to Norfolk area then up coast to Nantucket then onto Moron LEMO Spain.
0423 local BLUE-21,22 off the Deck at Dover push over to ZDC 127.700 will block 250-270.
 
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Thanks for the tie up - I had DEATH 22 working 319.000 ZKC Farmington around 1643 EST presumably on the way home. I was at work so didn't have their A2A programmed up.

Also for you East Coasters, I had FORKY29 (E6) on 11175 with an EAM as "CANDYGUM"? and then absolutely knocking my radio's front end off with his 1KW transmitter on 368.200 (WBFM) as he transited Chicago. (1737 EST)
Interesting in the continued use of the 368.200
 

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Remind me. What is 368.200 used for? I tried searching for it.
MUX

try this thread

 

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MUX

try this thread

It was interesting to read that thread, given all our consciousness about MUX back in the 90's. Some of the nomenclature is cloudy to me now. I do remember the term ORDERWIRE and there was another as well when we were modifying our PRO2004/5/6's and listening out forr AF1. I don't think it was Nightwatch, but it's been a while. I believe that I saw something aboard a P-3 during an airshow in the 90's that resembled this nomenclature...likely after the 747's had been delivered to Andrews.

I had a chance to tour an AF1 aircraft (29000, I think) during the fall of 2016, and noticed that system in the comm center behind the cockpit. I can't remember whether it was labelled 'Orderwire' or with the other name that I would've recognized at the time. I asked the Boeing guy who was with our group about it, and he said a couple of interesting things:

1 - That the system was about 50 years old (and I seem to recall reading that it was hacked during LBJ's presidency)
2 - That it was no longer being used for any sort of official comms--just some phone patches for members of the press
3 - That they planned to remove it from the aircraft around the end of 2016
4 - ...and to be glad that I asked a member of the Boeing team about it--the Air Force folks would not be happy to discuss it

Of course, I can't remember anything much from back in the 90's, except I think one of the MUX freqs was 305.55...maybe Waldorf, MD or Orange County, VA? Didn't see that one mentioned in the 2017 thread. I never caught any MUX back then. I used the equipment (HF SSB receiver w/longwave converter) to explore TV & FM subcarriers in my area, LOL.

Another interesting thing in going thru the 2017 thread was to enter those freqs into my database, and see where some still seem isolated (guard bands around them?) and some seem to have been reallocated. 366.6 is the ONLY thing I have on file at 366 MHz...so there's a potential project just in that.

So my main question would be whether what we're discussing here is that same system, or a similar more modern descendent of it.

73/Allen (N4JRI)
 

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I had a chance to tour an AF1 aircraft (29000, I think) during the fall of 2016, and noticed that system in the comm center behind the cockpit.

So my main question would be whether what we're discussing here is that same system, or a similar more modern descendent of it.

Keep in mind that 92-9000 went through a long, extensive, overhaul back in late 2020 that took over 2 years. It is very likely that the comm system was upgraded during this period.

 

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I wonder if they'll be a nighttime CAO for the SOU tomorrow?
TFRs issued for VP today and SOU tomorrow, I am almost certain there will be some form of CAP, even if it is local helos or fighters from ADW.


Meanwhile numerous FAA Safety Team notices issued:

SubjectNotice TypeDateNotice Number
VIP Notice - Manchester, NH POTUS Selected ATC Notices 3/6/2024 NOTC3474
VIP Notice - Atlanta, GA POTUS Selected ATC Notices 3/6/2024 NOTC3471
VIP Notice - Las Vegas, NV VP Selected ATC Notices 3/4/2024 NOTC3469
VIP Notice - Wilmington, DE POTUS Selected ATC Notices 3/4/2024 NOTC3468
VIP Movement Notification - Los Angeles, CA VP Selected ATC Notices 3/4/2024 NOTC3467
VIP Notice - Phoenix, AZ VP Selected ATC Notices 3/4/2024 NOTC3466
VIP Notice - Philadelphia, PA POTUS Selected ATC Notices 3/3/2024 NOTC3465
 
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Keep in mind that 92-9000 went through a long, extensive, overhaul back in late 2020 that took over 2 years. It is very likely that the comm system was upgraded during this period.

I'd definitely like to know if that system was upgraded and retained--I never hear anything about it anymore in the context of AF1/SAM type activity. At the time I toured, the 747-800's were supposed to be on their way--which is why my connection was retiring. He anticipated an explosion in his workload bringing the new planes into service. Am thinking that two-year upgrade must've been in response to Trump's efforts to reject the new planes. Have always been impressed with that system, in terms of hiding in plain sight. Devilishly clever for the mid 60's.

73/Allen (N4JRI)
 

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Keep eye out for BLUE-21 this morning KC-135 #62-3569 and BLUE-22 #60-0341 that arrived Dover the other night.
Acars has them route at FL-250 down to Norfolk area then up coast to Nantucket then onto Moron LEMO Spain.
0423 local BLUE-21,22 off the Deck at Dover push over to ZDC 127.700 will block 250-270.
I had to leave for work before they came back up the coast but may have been these guys on delivery flight.
Lockheed builds these in South Carolina now that the big Texas factory has gone all in on F-35's.
Delivery of first RBAF Block 70 F-16s
 

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Direction? Callsign? Tail # ? please.
Sorry, Mark - it's ADB343F/UR-82008, just landing now at Pease International. I thought the direction was clear from the takeoff location, but it flew up the East Coast roughly hugging the shoreline - pretty much a typical route between those points. I promise to be more granular next time (y) :)
 
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