Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2025

[RaleighGuy]

Are these not the normal closures for any space launch from Florida ? The launch trajectory changes based on the inclination of the orbit required for the mission being launched.

My understanding is it is larger than normal.

 

[RaleighGuy]

How can I get this list?

Search through last years thread (near the end, December posts) and you will find it there.

Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2024

Good morning and a Happy New Year to everyone !! WINK 41 (57-1493) departed from MacDill AFB this morning and is now established in the HUGO CAP.

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[baybum]

Search through last years thread (near the end, December posts) and you will find it there.

Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2024

Good morning and a Happy New Year to everyone !! WINK 41 (57-1493) departed from MacDill AFB this morning and is now established in the HUGO CAP.

forums.radioreference.com

Got it, thanks. Is there a list somewhere that I can copy and paste just the frequencies? Would make it easier to import to the programming software.
Thanks,
Mike

 

[Hbright]

1015- ADS-B showing Nighthawk 21 & 23 (MV-22) off Quantico.

One of the V-22s in NH21 FLT (of 4x) broke down upon landing at CSG. NH21 FLT continued on to AUS yesterday as a FLT of 3x and was joined by a replacement today. I assume they'll continue westward tomorrow.

The V-22 that broke down, 168297, returned to NYG as NH32 today.

 

[RaleighGuy]

Got it, thanks. Is there a list somewhere that I can copy and paste just the frequencies? Would make it easier to import to the programming software.
Thanks,
Mike

You got the only version that is given out, if you want to make an import list out of it you need to do the work, since the author has done the work putting it together for you

 

[TerryPavlick]

My understanding is it is larger than normal.

here is a Falcon 9 ( SpaceX) launch TFR

and here is the New Glenn (Blue Origin) TFR



Same area of coverage. The only diffence may be the landing zone for the 1st stage return since this is their first attempt whereas SpaceX has a proven track record of reliable on target landings on their drone ships. Neither of the landing zones would be depicted on the TFRs.

 

[TerryPavlick]

here is a Falcon 9 ( SpaceX) launch TFR
View attachment 175609
and here is the New Glenn (Blue Origin) TFR

View attachment 175610

Same area of coverage. The only diffence may be the landing zone for the 1st stage return since this is their first attempt whereas SpaceX has a proven track record of reliable on target landings on their drone ships. Neither of the landing zones would be depicted on the TFRs.

actually I looked for the landing ship for the New Glenn and it is being towed by the Harvey Stone...which shows at this position heading NE at a little over 8 knots about 45 minuted ago - well outside the TFR zone based on longitude.

 

[FLboy850]

here is a Falcon 9 ( SpaceX) launch TFR
View attachment 175609
and here is the New Glenn (Blue Origin) TFR

View attachment 175610

Same area of coverage. The only diffence may be the landing zone for the 1st stage return since this is their first attempt whereas SpaceX has a proven track record of reliable on target landings on their drone ships. Neither of the landing zones would be depicted on the TFRs.

Size comparison of New Glenn vs SpaceX/United Launch Alliance rockets.

 

[Mark]

OT: Speaking of Space a lot of local folks here got stirred up the other night after dinner as a string of
Space X satellites went over.. Looked like string of green glowing dots.
There is a tracker and skies are clear you can catch them yourselves. Course we got snow clouds rolling
in here the next few days

SpaceX Starlink Satellites Tracker

Calculate when you can see the SpaceX Starlink satellites above your location

findstarlink.com

C-17's still rolling into Andrews from TISX.. Sure took a mess of gear down there.
Why the need for convoy of 25 vehicles on a small Island?

 

[TerryPavlick]

Size comparison of New Glenn vs SpaceX/United Launch Alliance rockets.

Yeah I think that chart is missing a space launch system called StarShip that has actually launched a few times

 

[TerryPavlick]

OT: Speaking of Space a lot of local folks here got stirred up the other night after dinner as a string of
Space X satellites went over.. Looked like string of green glowing dots.
There is a tracker and skies are clear you can catch them yourselves. Course we got snow clouds rolling
in here the next few days

SpaceX Starlink Satellites Tracker

Calculate when you can see the SpaceX Starlink satellites above your location

findstarlink.com

C-17's still rolling into Andrews from TISX.. Sure took a mess of gear down there.
Why the need for convoy of 25 vehicles on a small Island?

well if wikipedia is accurate.....17 in the mid 60s to 24 in the mid 90s to 30 in the 2000s
as the threats increased so did the number of support vehicles.

Presidential motorcades​

Upon the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the motorcade consisted of four motorcycle escorts, three buses, and over 17 cars (including the presidential state car).[38] Motorcades under President George W. Bush involved up to two dozen cars.[2] Under President Obama they constituted 30 other vehicles,[3] including police cars to lead the motorcade and clear the streets; sport utility vehicles to carry the United States Secret Service detail, electronic countermeasures, key staff, a Secret Service Counter Assault Team, "hazardous-materials-mitigation" personnel and equipment, and White House Communications Agency personnel; press vans; an ambulance; and more

 

[FLboy850]

Yeah I think that chart is missing a space launch system called StarShip that has actually launched a few times

View attachment 175631

That it is, in which the starship is larger. However, Starship is exclusively launched from Boca Chica, TX so it wouldn’t have any bearing on TFR’s or ARTCC re-routings over Florida or the Atlantic. New Glenn will be one of larger rockets launched from Cape Canaveral SFS/Eastern Range.

 

[Mark]

well if wikipedia is accurate.....17 in the mid 60s to 24 in the mid 90s to 30 in the 2000s
as the threats increased so did the number of support vehicles.

Presidential motorcades​

Upon the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the motorcade consisted of four motorcycle escorts, three buses, and over 17 cars (including the presidential state car).[38] Motorcades under President George W. Bush involved up to two dozen cars.[2] Under President Obama they constituted 30 other vehicles,[3] including police cars to lead the motorcade and clear the streets; sport utility vehicles to carry the United States Secret Service detail, electronic countermeasures, key staff, a Secret Service Counter Assault Team, "hazardous-materials-mitigation" personnel and equipment, and White House Communications Agency personnel; press vans; an ambulance; and more

Times have changed since Lincoln,McKinley,Kennedy I get that.. USSS claims they are down 1k in number of agents.
My point is why we need such huge numbers on a small US Island territory yet they botched Butler Pa,West Palm golf course etc.
I don't have faith anymore in last 5 years of US govt doing anything right security wise on either side sad to say
I'm getting to be an old skeptic

 

[TerryPavlick]

That it is, in which the starship is larger. However, Starship is exclusively launched from Boca Chica, TX so it wouldn’t have any bearing on TFR’s or ARTCC re-routings over Florida or the Atlantic. New Glenn will be one of larger rockets launched from Cape Canaveral SFS/Eastern Range.

Yes I understand - the Blue Origin chart just happened to not list the SpaceX Starship (size comparison wise) - that is the point I was trying to make. SpaceX's Starship has three times the takeoff thrust of the original Saturn 5 rocket that went to the moon. Obviously for PR reasons they did not want to minimize their rocket compared to SpaceX. Once Starship begins launches from Florida - then we will see if the TFR changes but I doubt it will. Once the launch vehicle passes MAX-Q (or maximum dynamic pressure on the vehicle) it is usually out of the TFR area fairly quickly with engines back to full power, less atmospheric drag and other factors that limit the performance in the early seconds of flight.

 

[FLboy850]

Times have changed since Lincoln,McKinley,Kennedy I get that.. USSS claims they are down 1k in number of agents.
My point is why we need such huge numbers on a small US Island territory yet they botched Butler Pa,West Palm golf course etc.
I don't have faith anymore in last 5 years of US govt doing anything right security wise on either side sad to say
I'm getting to be an old skeptic

Not to mention the 16 hour shifts with three days off a month and constant TDYs. Recipe for disaster.

 

[FLboy850]

Yes I understand - the Blue Origin chart just happened to not list the SpaceX Starship (size comparison wise) - that is the point I was trying to make. SpaceX's Starship has three times the takeoff thrust of the original Saturn 5 rocket that went to the moon. Obviously for PR reasons they did not want to minimize their rocket compared to SpaceX. Once Starship begins launches from Florida - then we will see if the TFR changes but I doubt it will. Once the launch vehicle passes MAX-Q (or maximum dynamic pressure on the vehicle) it is usually out of the TFR area fairly quickly with engines back to full power, less atmospheric drag and other factors that limit the performance in the early seconds of flight.

It’ll be interesting to see when Starship will make its way to Cape Canaveral. The battle of the billionaires!

 

[TerryPavlick]

Times have changed since Lincoln,McKinley,Kennedy I get that.. USSS claims they are down 1k in number of agents.
My point is why we need such huge numbers on a small US Island territory yet they botched Butler Pa,West Palm golf course etc.
I don't have faith anymore in last 5 years of US govt doing anything right security wise on either side sad to say
I'm getting to be an old skeptic

Yes the procedures do not change despite the location - if anything the size increases out of country since there is more potential for security issues to occur. On the two events you listed, there is a big difference between the requirements for POTUS (the office not the person holding the office) and a candidate on the campaign trail. POTUS needs the resources of the National Command Authority wherever the office holder goes, other people including the VPOTUS do not need to have those resources. Example - if a foreign enemy took out any candidate the country would be up in arms about the situation. Take out the POTUS and you have a bunch of generals in the Pentagon just waiting to go to DEFCON 1.

 

[TerryPavlick]

It’ll be interesting to see when Starship will make its way to Cape Canaveral. The battle of the billionaires!

actually Boca is 3 degrees closer to the equator than Cape so there is an advantage to that location - once operational - you will see launch / landing facilities world wide not just in the USA. Think Australia.

 

[Mark]

. Example - if a foreign enemy took out any candidate the country would be up in arms about the situation. Take out the POTUS and you have a bunch of generals in the Pentagon just waiting to go to DEFCON 1.

Not so sure about that today. 🤣

 

[Mark]

actually Boca is 3 degrees closer to the equator than Cape so there is an advantage to that location - once operational - you will see launch / landing facilities world wide not just in the USA. Think Australia.

We have had rockets shoot right up the East coast for more polar orbits. I don't think 3 degrees difference will mean anything
as as long it is over the water.
Don't forget Wallops Island
Top secret launch coming up in March.. Wallops Island Launch Schedule