Monroe/Ontario County Project 25 Phase II ?

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Okay on 5. Thanks I am hearing engine 8 on the Harris system,wonder if that cause of the Henrietta district?
Since Engine 8 covers the West Brighton Fire District, in addition to the City, it seems logical they would need to be on the TRS for interop with Henrietta as you said.
 

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I see Ops 9 is also now in use. All Fire TGs now appear to be in Phase I (FDMA) mode vs Phase II (TDMA) while the system was being developed. I wonder if this is now permanent for Fire while Law is and likely to remain Phase II.
 

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I see Ops 9 is also now in use. All Fire TGs now appear to be in Phase I (FDMA) mode vs Phase II (TDMA) while the system was being developed. I wonder if this is now permanent for Fire while Law is and likely to remain Phase II.

Seem strange, wonder if this has anything to do with in building testing?
 

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It has to do with the DVRS in the fire vehicles. They're using Futurecom units interfaced to the APX mobiles in the fire trucks. Fire service is using almost exclusively Motorola APX gear.
 

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It has to do with the DVRS in the fire vehicles. They're using Futurecom units interfaced to the APX mobiles in the fire trucks. Fire service is using almost exclusively Motorola APX gear.
Thanks for the info. I had heard rumors that there was some issue with the DVRS. Is there going to be an eventual fix or does it mean the Fire service is forced to remain FDMA?
 

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Until Futurecom can solve the "P25 conventional radio to DVRS on a Harris Ph2 system" limitation... it's likely going to be that way for a bit.
 

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Well on the EMS side the "temporary" base portables they issued out when they turned off the VHF patch before everyone upgraded their base stations could not do TDMA which is why the EMS 295 1077 TG may still be in FDMA most of the time.
 

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New Talk Group 1517, I have heard this group twice now and it was the Brockport Fire Police and yesterday I noticed it was operating in P2 mode.
I have also heard some activity on TG 2553 but was unable to figure out who that was.
 

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Does anyone know if the Uniden BCD996P2 will be able to monitor the system Monroe County Fire and Police agencies have switched too? Is there a better scanner to use? Thank you
 

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Does anyone know if the Uniden BCD996P2 will be able to monitor the system Monroe County Fire and Police agencies have switched too? Is there a better scanner to use? Thank you

Short answer? Probably not.

Longer answer is that if you plan to use it in one place (as opposed to installed in a vehicle) and you are close enough to one tower that the signal from that tower "drowns out" the signals from all the other towers in that cell, then it may work OK for you. That's called "winning the simulcast lottery". A very few do; most do not. :)

I've tried using a BCD996P2 at my house. I might as well leave it off, since I hear just as much either way.

If you want a *scanner* then you'll need a Uniden SDS100 or SDS200. The Unication G4 or G5 pagers are also a good option, and there are some others but they aren't scanners.
 

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What do you mean by "using the Harris system"? Many RPD units have been operating directly on the system for quite some time now but I don't believe they are totally changed over from UHF. With the patch, it is hard to tell which units are on each system unless you watch the RIDs.
 

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I had thought,maybe I misunderstood,that RPD and RFD were staying on on the Motorola system.
I believe only RFD had reservations about joining the system that are now resolved. RPD and other Law agencies seem to be gradually migrating to the trunked system.
 

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New Talk Group 1517, I have heard this group twice now and it was the Brockport Fire Police and yesterday I noticed it was operating in P2 mode.
I have also heard some activity on TG 2553 but was unable to figure out who that was.

1517 - Battalion 2 Fire Police - Confirmed
 

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I am hearing occasional activity of what appears to be a new RPD Talk Group 2408. It sounds like it is tow truck dispatch but not sure if that is the only use.

I heard "451, 451, need 2 hooks for the crash. 420 Merchants Road....." Then "451 acknowledged by phone, ECD clear 1140"
 

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I heard "451, 451, need 2 hooks for the crash. 420 Merchants Road....." Then "451 acknowledged by phone, ECD clear 1140"

Sounds like ECD calling various towing companies. I imagine 451 would be the company dispatch, seeing as the dispatcher requests two hooks.

I'm wondering if this is some sort of replacement for 159.390 (marked as Parks, Recreation, and Historic Preservation Statewide Common). I'm not sure who operates on the frequency, but it's always dispatching tow trucks. I think it's ECD, but it could be a towing company's dispatcher, their dispatch format is very different, never mentioning ECD or call signs.

It would also be strange for a towing company's dispatcher to be referred to with a 4## call sign, as it's usually reserved for high command, MCU, and some other unknown divisions. It would be strange, especially given the fact other departments are usually called with two letters, or four digits (for example, HM-# in the case of Humane Society and 382# in the case of FACIT).

Although, it's always possible this is an exception, I've never picked up a call sign higher than Car 448, which is seemingly RPD. The new year has certainly brought some call sign changes, but I've only seen changes to MCSO.

I looked on OpenMHZ, I couldn't find any other transmissions besides the one you heard, but it's certainly something to keep an eye on.
 

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RPD had dispatched private tow operators on VHF for many years, originally on 154.98 simplex then it became the input to the 159.390 repeater WNQJ609. I assumed it was deprecated some time ago. This TG sounds just like the old VHF operation did years ago and the request for "hooks" is somewhat unique to RPD. No question it is ECD dispatching tow requests from RPD but I wonder what this TG is officially called and if it is used for other purposes.
 
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