New Rochester DMR TIII

[k2hz]

I have a very strong local CC signal on 152.510 - DSD+ shows: TIII Site T1-1.1 DCC:0 RAS

Only activity on system so far is a few private data calls on Ch 4.

I have no clue who it could be. Part 22 frequency so no frequency specific FCC data available.

 

[62Truck]

I have a very strong local CC signal on 152.510 - DSD+ shows: TIII Site T1-1.1 DCC:0 RAS

Only activity on system so far is a few private data calls on Ch 4.

I have no clue who it could be. Part 22 frequency so no frequency specific FCC data available.

Maybe NYSEG?

 

[k2hz]

Maybe NYSEG?

That is possible, but no indication they have started their proposed DMR network and I would expect it would be multiple sites, not the generic T1-1.1. Also, NYSEG is not in Rochester although RG&E is under same ownership. Still no activity other than a series of a few private data calls which always seem to be at about 40 and 55 minutes after the each hour. Possibly some sort of status monitoring.

 

[chrismol1]

that part of the state try WPVF293 ULS License - Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging (excluding 931MHz) License - WPVF293 - New York State Electric & Gas Corporation - Map. Looks like 2018 they modified licenses for 7K60FXE. pretty close too- 152.51 and 152.5175

 

[62Truck]

That is possible, but no indication they have started their proposed DMR network and I would expect it would be multiple sites, not the generic T1-1.1. Also, NYSEG is not in Rochester although RG&E is under same ownership. Still no activity other than a series of a few private data calls which always seem to be at about 40 and 55 minutes after the each hour. Possibly some sort of status monitoring.

Ah ok

 

[k2hz]

that part of the state try WPVF293 ULS License - Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging (excluding 931MHz) License - WPVF293 - New York State Electric & Gas Corporation - Map. Looks like 2018 they modified licenses for 7K60FXE. pretty close too- 152.51 and 152.5175

That is a possibility but I compared the signal to the existing 152.8025 P25 CC from Bristol which is the nearest site on that license and this signal is about 20db stronger and consistent with something right here in Rochester. NYSEG/RG&E is a possibility and this may be a test since their joint telecom engineering group is here in Rochester. It will be interesting to see if any DMR shows up in other NYSEG areas.

 

[k2hz]

Interesting history on that WPVF293 License - On 5/27/2020 an application was filed to transfer control to Schuylkill Mobile Phone of the portion of the service area in PA on this and several other NYSEG licenses but it was withdrawn in July. One more strange event in the long history of NYSEG vs the FCC over the years with the P25 system so anything is possible. All we can do is see what turns up on the air.

 

[ak716]

I've been trying to figure out a new TIII in WNY too, been up for about a year that I know of, and I've been leaning to thinking its NYSEG as well, however, its coming up at T7, and nothing but data calls, registrations, and "Reg/Auth/MS Check"'s on it after monitoring it for days. Screaming strong signal though, and nothing that I found matched anything in Canada that made sense, so I don't think it's our neighbors to the north.

152.6900 - T7 1.1 CC 0 (possibly WPVF310)
152.8100 - T7 1.1 CC 0 (possibly WPVF314)

And, it shows on both of those license, again, same thing, showing withdrawn, but with a DMR emission on them as their last change in 2016

 

[k2hz]

I've been trying to figure out a new TIII in WNY too, been up for about a year that I know of, and I've been leaning to thinking its NYSEG as well, however, its coming up at T7, and nothing but data calls, registrations, and "Reg/Auth/MS Check"'s on it after monitoring it for days. Screaming strong signal though, and nothing that I found matched anything in Canada that made sense, so I don't think it's our neighbors to the north.

152.6900 - T7 1.1 CC 0 (possibly WPVF310)
152.8100 - T7 1.1 CC 0 (possibly WPVF314)

And, it shows on both of those license, again, same thing, showing withdrawn, but with a DMR emission on them as their last change in 2016

I think NYSEG is a possible suspect and they may be experimenting with it at individual sites with no apparent networking. It will be difficult to pin down if it is them until some more activity develops. I see nothing but 3 RIDs registering and these data calls at about 40 and 55 after each hour. I see no way to find the LCNs if the only activity is a few data bursts every hour given the license situation that gives no reliable clue to frequencies at a site. Their present P25 system in the Finger Lakes is a mix of Part 22 and Part 90 frequencies, many of which the FCC terminated and deleted from the database years ago but they still use.

 

[chrismol1]

Ive been trying to figure out this very DMR freq nearby. 152.510. ULS License - Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging (excluding 931MHz) License - WPZW640 - New York State Electric & Gas Corporation - Map
157.7775 seems to be the MO listed for each license

Of course the P25 Trunked system is churning along as usual. Are there DMR radios for either voice or data installed in the trucks or going to be?
Ive also seen modifications for DMR emissions in 2018 to all my local licenses including those of the P25 freqs, and it looks like a lot of their licenses across the state were modified for DMR. I can see why they'd want to move to DMR since P25 gear is expensive compared to DMR in the US, especially if the tag says Motorola. If the P25 gear installed, was purchased over a decade ago its no longer supported

 

[k2hz]

Ive been trying to figure out this very DMR freq nearby. 152.510. ULS License - Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging (excluding 931MHz) License - WPZW640 - New York State Electric & Gas Corporation - Map
157.7775 seems to be the MO listed for each license

Of course the P25 Trunked system is churning along as usual. Are there DMR radios for either voice or data installed in the trucks or going to be?
Ive also seen modifications for DMR emissions in 2018 to all my local licenses including those of the P25 freqs, and it looks like a lot of their licenses across the state were modified for DMR. I can see why they'd want to move to DMR since P25 gear is expensive compared to DMR in the US, especially if the tag says Motorola. If the P25 gear installed, was purchased over a decade ago its no longer supported

I agree that DMR makes sense, the present P25 equipment is probably becoming obsolete, and they stated in an FCC filing during the dispute several years ago over their failure to complete the P25 buildout that they intended to switch to DMR.

Are you observing any voice traffic on the DMR frequency in your area or is it just "private data" like we are seeing in the Rochester & Buffalo area?

 

[k2hz]

I had assumed the 152.510 signal was in Rochester based on the signal strength. I checked signal strength around the Rochester area and that is not the case. It is likely from the Bristol site, WPVF293. The fact that this signal is so much stronger than the existing 152.085 P25 CC at the site may say something about the condition of the existing system!

 

[chrismol1]

nada, I dont believe these are in relation but dont know what it is at all, its seperate from the normal p25 trunked site channels and yea they have licenses galore. Theres also 152.21, 152.63 at the same site and the trunked system operates close nearby, +.75 to those channels but not on them. Seems seperate from the trunked system..maybe these sites around me were replaced with the trunked system and they dont need channels anymore but keep renewing the licenses as usual. Interesting to note the DMR someday....Im surprised they updated all the licences to DMR since they didnt bother with P25

 

[KA1RBI]

It is likely from the Bristol site

152.510 (verified DMR but did not check the metadata details) is booming in here, on an indoor 800 MHz magmount, from QTH approx. 10 miles SE of the city of Cortland. Attributing the location to Bristol is very plausible, based on other stations...

73

Max

 

[k2hz]

I think it is clear from available license data that this is NYSEG. The question is what the purpose of the system is and how to determine details such as LCN frequencies to monitor it when the only activity is infrequent data messages.

It appears that we need to check the 152-153Mhz Part 22 frequencies throughout the NYSEG service area for TIII DMR to see if other sites exist.

To summarize what we have observed so far:
WPVF293 Bristol 152.510
WPVF310 Buffalo Area 152.690 (multiple possible sites on license)
WPVF314 Buffalo Area 152.810 (multiple possible sites on license)
WPZW640 N. Hebron 152.510

 

[k2hz]

The 152.510 signal disappeared some time ago. Are Buffalo and N. Hebron still active?

 

[ak716]

Still present in Buffalo. I've had it on for about 2 minutes so far, and still getting the registration/deregistration acknowledgments, so, same traffic as before

 

[chrismol1]

Actually nothing all day at hebron site 152.510 if it means anything I dont know what that would be

 

[k2hz]

The Rochester area site is back: TIII Site:T1-1.0 DCC:0 Constant Private Data Calls every few seconds: Tgt=85921 Src=87475.
The source may be the NYSEG Bristol site.

 

[wirr]

Observed about a month ago in the Rochester area:
T7-1.1 152.690 color 0 and 152.810 c0 - perhaps WPVF298? Attica?
T7-1.2 152.660 c0 - perhaps WPVI605?